Great news, Austria seem confident going forward. They seem to have handled it extremely well from the start.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Great news, Austria seem confident going forward. They seem to have handled it extremely well from the start.
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/business-52365191
Hard to feel sorry for them. In this day and age how the hell do you not have an online store???
Their business model doesn't lend well to an ecommerce business model.
What is their business model?
Apparently it has 33 mutations or something?
Yeah probably, but it's not really that worrying. Viruses/single cell organisms constantly mutate (i.e. their genetic code changes) but the vast majority of those mutations don't actually do anything.
Low margin products, driven by volume, through retail. Making savings via bulk shipment to store, rather than traditional ecommerce end user dispatch.
Except for hiding those first cases in the Ischgl ski resort, until tourists started popping up with it on their return home all across Europe.
The government initially thought there would be widespread hostility to being locked down for anything more than a 2-3 week period, so they planned for having to move to some sort of relaxed mode of social distancing. The fact people have largely behaved themselves and kept to lockdown (once we were actually forced to) has surprised them and it maybe that the capacity requirements will now have changed.
However there remain concerns that changing patterns of behaviour could spike a further peak. For example - I've noticed loads of discarded gloves and masks in my supermarket car park. If lockdown is relaxed, but on the proviso that you wear a mask and gloves on public transport....what happens to all the discarded gloves? - they could become a new transmission vector if not disposed of correctly.
What we may find is that while we can keep deaths down to a lower level, if we relax the lockdown we will have larger groups of people who need some degree of oxygen support but hopefully not ICU. Currently there are reports of a lot of deaths in care homes and the community where medical attention has not been sought, or has been sought too late. If we get a phased relaxation of lockdown there will probably need to be an education campaign on what symptoms are an indicator you should go to A&E - what symptoms you should treat at home etc.
Also currently there is a lack of knowledge and procedures of what to do when disposing of bodies / releasing homes and belongings to families of deceased. This seems to have caught out the Italian and other authorities who for example allowed some relatives into their home to take away mementoes etc - leading to cross contamination and so we need to proceed cautiously and plan for potential slip-ups.
Hmm Sports direct (just one example) have a similar business model and they’ve managed to make it work online too
It's not a similar business model, majority of their business is third party branded products.
Seen the same thing here in France. I don't think its likely to be an issue transmission wise, but it does show what assholes people are.
Yep. They have. But it’s not endorsed coordination on a Federal level.
The Federal voice is Trump. “Stay at home, stay safe, I understand the people protesting, liberate the states” He’s a gonad.
He simply can’t stay on message. He looks to please everyone and handles criticism like a scorned lover.
Stand up there, announce the total country wide stockpile, announce you’ll move it around as needed.
Tell the states on a plateau that they’ve done well. Brace the states on an upward tick.
That country is so uniquely set up to succeed with this. Impossibly rich. Great facilities. Huge companies that can produce at scale. All wrapped up in a similar federalist system that has helped seen Germany stand out as the absolute leaders in response among top tier nations.
778 deaths in England announced today. Will cause big headlines, but isn't actually changing the picture of a slow decline in numbers of deaths.
Pile it high, sell it cheap I reckon.
Scare mongering is unhelpful. But understandable.
Trumps America is a joke.
Imagine the worst Tory criticising Yorkshire because they asked for 5000 ventilators, got them, but only used 2000. Never happening.
That’s what that orange Cnut does daily.
Updated graph of deaths in England by day of death. Reported deaths were 778, 6 fewer than Saturday. Pretty confident we're on the slide now.Updated graph of deaths in England by day of death. Reported deaths grew by 46 to 784. Certainly seems like we've at least reached a plateau.
Orange is a 5 day trailing average, hopefully it remains above the daily death line.
Last 5-7 days will see large to moderate upward changes:
Orange is a 5 day trailing average. Last 5-7 days will see large to moderate upward changes:
Oooof. That's a big hike. Obviously we were looking at a couple of hundred more but 300+ on yesterday is a big hike. Let's hope it's an early peak this week, then, and the numbers don't keep climbing as the week goes on. We had 900+ on Good Friday, it dropped by 100 last Friday.....anything less than a decrease again this Friday would really demoralising, I reckon.
They put structures in place to handle a worst case scenario.
Let’s not start complaining we over prepared. We have only got a few things right. The Nightingales are one of those few things.
The successes should have been box ticking exercises;
Beds
PPE
Equipment
Staffing numbers
Supply chain
Nationwide logistics
Testing
Media
Science
The UK has been inept at so many turns. We have got more wrong than we have got right. I would be bringing criminal proceedings against top level government if I could.
A lot of diseases come out of Ishgl year on year. A friend told me.
Going to fill the oil tank in a few days. Virtually half price compared to an order i placed in November
Unless people are quickly picking them up again it wont be an issue, and who would pick up discarded rubber gloves and masks bare handed at the best of times?
You’re right actually. I was thinking along the lines of sports direct also buying in bulk and their products are cheap (cheap compared to others that sell the same brands like JD and footlocker)
Yeah, I don’t see discarded gloves/masks being much of a vector. But the laziness and lack of basic decency which sees people chuck them on the ground - instead of binning them - doesn’t bode well.
...... Good?
Pubs and restaurants re-opening in Austria as from May 15th. I wouldn't mind if Belgium waited another 2-3 weeks to re-open ours and first look at amount of cases in Austria tbh.
Absolutely, we appear to be at the peak and are not overwhelmed, which was the main fear hence the building of them.
I don’t know percentages but it’s certainly not risk free. Do they not all go to the same staff cafe or shop for lunch? Do people not come in from outside with the virus? Just because it’s a seperate ward doesn’t mean that infection doesn’t get in. We’ve already seen a few stories not mothers and babies testing positive. They obviously had it before they came in
Great idea, get all ready for next winter at rock-bottom prices.
I’ve seen reports saying 873.
UK altogether maybe? Think Scotland reported a good 50.
We have to take those pictures not of a sign of our own path in this pandemic, but as a reminder that when we reopen the country up, that it'll fill very quickly. The point to note here is that hospitals have pretty much cancelled all but absolute emergency procedures. They're pushing about 95-98% covid treatment. Those field hospitals will be needed when we have to get normal hospital procedures back up and running.
When this is all finished the government's handling will be pored over by media and experts for years to come. The results will be down to how the UK handled it compared to other similar countries. So far there's not much on that list that hasn't been levelled at pretty much every other country.
The one that stands out, as usual in the UK, is the media. Absolute cretins the lot of them. We are the only country i have seen where the media hasn't though it might be better to push a united front and just provide information and advice for a while. Every article is some journalist or other fighting to get their name in lights. They're pathetic.
Ah that could be it mate.
How is it that the Nightingale hospital is empty and we still have 900 deaths a day??
900 deaths a day opens up a lot of hospital beds?
I was thinking why it's not really used, but perhaps hospitals generally still have beds available?
What we were totally inept in is believing that in the event of a pandemic the world would act as one rather than each country looking after its own. For me one of the major things we can learn from this debacle is that chasing goods at the lowest possible price is complete wrong. We can’t produce enough PPE why....... because we have sold our manufacturing industry down the river just so that we can benefit from cheap Chinese and Asian imports from sweat shops. And did we care .....like feck we did. And now we wonder why we cannot produce enough bloody stupid.
Well that would mean that our standard of healthcare is just really awful and has nothing to do with reaching capacity.