1984 vibes from that image.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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1984 vibes from that image.
Is this not the guy that wss interviewing a scientist a few weeks ago and the scientist more or less called him a liar
Furlough money hasnt came through yet.
He should have received 10k grant for each store if he pays rates though, unless that was just in northern ireland?
Yes. He's an attention seeker who for the most part can and should be ignored.
Honestly man, can you PM me it? I love hearing about and reading things like this. I'm being serious, I'd love to read your views on it.
I am not so sure. I am surprised that no one seems to have made a link between the fact that mid February saw half term throughout England with the world and his wife going abroad either skiing or seeking the sun. I wonder how many came back infected without knowing it? Now had you have said we should have locked down at the beginning of Feb I would have agreed with your supposition. Just a thought on my part.
A lot of papers running with the story that UK schools will reopen in three weeks.
He has but is still waiting for money to come in from the scheme and he felt he couldn’t leave his staff with nothing or he probably wouldn’t have staff to return to work when he does re-open, if he even can.
It’s woken me up a bit to be honest. I’ve been working from home for about 6 weeks now with my girlfriend on maternity in our own bubble and it’s really hit home. I feel a bit helpless now as I can’t even go round to see him. My sister is a nurse so the stress and anxiety of that is compounding the issues. You’re right though, I’d previously paid little attention to the economy until it affected those close to me.
Is anyone else a little concerned by how things such as an NHS app is being developed tracking our movements to see our contacts , which although useful right now, could become permanent after?
We’re all very compliant & obedient which again is brilliant right now.
Just a bit uneasy about it all,
We’re all very compliant & obedient which again is brilliant right now.
Just a bit uneasy about it all,
How about you stop talking down to people about putting on their grown up pants?
you disagree with many here but try to treat people with respect. No-one has been through this before, many think they have an answer but no one knows for sure. everything is a gamble. So, let’s show some respect eh?
Nah, this lot are untouchable and Boris has strengthened his popularity amongst the masses having bravely fought off the virus
Has anyone actually read this article? Or just the tweets?
Absolutely.
You think about Old Trafford. The burger bars and cafes are going their biggest source of income. People earning a bit of cash in the stadium working on the concourse or as stewards are losing income so are going to spend less in the rest of the economy and so on.
A lot people seem to be under the impression that you can put the economy on ice and then re-start it. You can't.
Couldn't you just delete the app ?
it’s not impossible, the Chinese did it. Why do British people assume that a hard lockdown isn’t on the cards IF absolutely necessary?
Yes. He is a journalist we shouldn't particularly rate.
However given the criticism that has been levelled at the UK's media for failing to scrutinise their government's response, I think the fact that the details of the ST's and Guardian's very critical reports have be corroborated by Peston (a high profile journalist who has long been accused of being overly government-friendly) is itself noteworthy.
Good to see the papers starting to turn, they need to continue with the pressure though for weeks if not months.
This seems the most sensible approach. But the UK need to flatten their curve first, which is seemingly at least 3 weeks more. Maybe if people would buy into it then it may happen sooner
I was talking about 'We' As in society. Not anybody specific just to clarify.
Love this post, I got to the second to last paragraph completely depressed then that last paragraph brought me right back.
In case you're looking for it.
https://archive.is/20200418182037/h...n-britain-sleepwalked-into-disaster-hq3b9tlgh
Similar situation with my brother, he's an optician who closed his practices down a week before lockdown. They have got over 20 people on payroll so stuck everyone on furlough but he's still paying rent on four properties with hardly any money coming into the business now. Spoke to him a few days ago after the extension was put into place and he reckons they will be okay until June, at that point he will have put his own money into the business and I think that's when it's going to go wrong for so many self employed people out there.
Tell you what, Chelsea fans can go first then. Step up there big man
Hate to say it, but 4 sites aren’t gonna survive. He’d be better consolidating 1 or 2
Thanks
They're literally only turning because of social media and public opinion, they just go with whatever stories are going to be a hit with the public, been like that for years. Aslong as someone is to blame the public lap it up.
This is happening too often. It’s about time religious leaders took responsibility and closed down.
Privacy concerns are legitimate.
However given we are in the midst of a pandemic of this magnitude, the issue it is seeking to address seems a far more pressing concern.
As we have already seen, there will be negative consequences to pretty much every measure put in place, as well as a trade off between rights around freedom/privacy and the right to be protected as much as is possible from grave public health threats. These apps will just be an extension of that reality.
Maybe that may be true in the post I responded to but I’ve had to warn you in another specific post because you directed it at the other member
Comparing China to the UK is a nonsense sorry,
China is an Authoritarian state. The UK isn't.
China is a one party state, doesn't have a free press and controls the internet. It imprisons dissenters and locks up thousands of Muslims in 're-education camps'. On the other hand the UK has a free press, a functioning political system and a civic society.
So comparing how China and the UK implement a lockdown, is akin to comparing apples to a combine harvester.
People may not be able to work, but the "exercise" bit of the UK's restrictions is pathetic. People can be out and about all day for no reason if they feel like it. It's hardly being enforced and there are no penalties except being told to go home by a police officer.
Most people in the UK won't get asked about their movements at all, from start to finish of this pandemic.
Yep. Also I’m a great believe in if you have done nothing wrong why would you worry about it?
ALL governments have it in their locker IF it’s necessary. You said it’s impossible to lock down
if the people don’t want to be. I’m saying it’s NOT impossible even if you choose to believe it would never happen in the UK.
the UK have done far worse in their history so don’t discount it
Was screened when I went to Nigeria at the end of January.
Nigeria has been carrying out contact tracing from the very first index case. Don't know how accurate the numbers are but it has been able to limit the spread to 540 with a population of over 200 million.
I was scratching my head when I heard officials in the US and UK say they didn't have the capacity to contact trace in the beginning.
It must be nice living in a country where furlough is offered. In mine people eat shoes to survive.
Almost every country has been working on the understanding that the virus confers some degree of immunity. The countries actually treating patients and seeing how the virus progresses. Are they wrong? If so, where are the confirmed reinfections? How are patients clearing the virus on their own? Why are numerous countries working on serological tests?
Or is it the WHO, the organisation that has been stumbling through this and making mistakes at every turn? They're just protecting themselves at this point because they know when this is all over a lot of difficult questions will be asked of them.
Mostly in the foreign worker dormitories with their cramped conditions. As with anything to do with Singapore, take their information with a pinch of salt. It's only a free and open country as long as their image remains good.
There is very little evidence of how seasons affect it because we haven't hit summer yet in most of the hard hit countries, but there is a small bit of evidence appearing in Spain that it might slow it down.
yeh, well I certainly have been out and about most days with the lovely weather. I’ve been walking and biking isolated areas. The risk of that to me and others is close to zero.
The bad news is a lot of people are learning to cut their own hair or their partner's learning. Younger people will go back when the barbers re-open but the number of over 40s will drop quite a bit.
Good on you for being willing to help out though.
Well nothing is impossible. It's not impossible that we'll all be confined to our homes for 18 months and the army will deliver rations to our front door. Can't see it happening though.
I think it's impossible for the UK to impose a strict lockdown on a population who don't support one, but as the population currently overwhelming support the lockdown the government don't have to worry about it.
However it is impossible for a UK politician to appear on the media without being pressed about an exit strategy. So in my view, the UK lockdown is much more likely to relaxed than tightened in three weeks time.
Yep, it was incredibly apparent early on that the Government weren't doing all that it could do to minimise the spread of this early on - whether to try and keep the nation calm, or whether because Boris truly is as much of a buffoon as I think he is, it doesn't really matter at this point.
It's unforgivable.