Probably best not not post in a thread full of experts!
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Probably best not not post in a thread full of experts!
Agreed.
I think there are numerous factors involved not all of which are yet fully understood. In temperate climates cold weather means people stay indoors more and windows are often closed more so community spread is more frequent. Cold weather increases mucus production so any virus around has a good place to live for longer and mucus can increase coughing and sneezing, so more people are infected. It is possible that temperature affects virus behavior and/or reproduction and it is also possible that our immune systems works less well in winter. Tropical areas do have flus and colds but they tend to be more spread out throughout the year.
I heard it is getting pretty bad now there.
Myanmar has like about 107 as of right now. About 50-60 of them were from a super spreader who came back from Singapore then he went into some religion event and spread it pretty badly. The country had about 23 before that and it was a week ago.
Going to be interesting to see how other European countries open up. Mid May to June is a time I thought it would happen due to the length of time people could tolerate but if it's still 200-400 deaths and 2-3k cases a day, that's still a lot, might seem low compared to the highs of 950. China ground it down to zero new cases and deaths.
I hope and expect peoples changed behavior helps in the work place and each country has extensive contact tracing soon to inform those infected they shouldn't be going to work and quick testing results. Might be possible to keep the numbers low and get some work done but i wonder at what point does another lockdown come.
For my mum who has underlying conditions, it will be great to see people back to work. The narrow footpaths are cluttered with families of 4-6 people and heavy breathing and coughing joggers, cyclists stopping or going slowly up hills while gasping, it's become impossible for her to go for a walk or visit the park sadly.
I hope and expect peoples changed behavior helps in the work place and each country has extensive contact tracing soon to inform those infected they shouldn't be going to work and quick testing results. Might be possible to keep the numbers low and get some work done but i wonder at what point does another lockdown come.
For my mum who has underlying conditions, it will be great to see people back to work. The narrow footpaths are cluttered with families of 4-6 people and heavy breathing and coughing joggers, cyclists stopping or going slowly up hills while gasping, it's become impossible for her to go for a walk or visit the park sadly.
942 new cases yesterday of which 920 were migrant workers who tend to live in very packed conditions.
The important thing is to keep the R below below 1.0 in the general population
I think the revolt will slowly reopen but not everything will be the same. Pubs and clubs should remain shut. Sporting events should be behind closed doors. Shopping around be 2m distance and gloves and masks worn.
Do that and see if R remains below 1.0. if so you are in for a winner.
Sad thing is if the UK government had shut down a week earlier for the same 5 week period, we'd have something like half the number of deaths and infections we do now. Maybe less
This is something I’m not seeing enough discussion on, at least in my little bubble stateside. We’re keen for obvious reasons to start up American football activities but the time of year we traditionally start the season is before flu season, so how do you gauge the possible resurgence of this in the northern hemisphere next winter?
It may seem trivial, opening up the NFL, but it is a snapshot of the broader pressures we face going forward. We don’t know what we are getting into yet come the cold winds next autumn.
As a Christian who can't have vaccinations due to autoimmune problems, I'm doubly concerned!
I think you need to calm down. There will be no end of days and we won't be marking people.
I don't see how contact sports start up soon. Also with the NFL, where the majority of players are black, surely we must first fully understand the disproportionate burden of covid19 mortality seen in the black community?
Well, a lot of that in the US is due to underlying factors relating to poverty and access to healthcare. You can see this in New Orleans and Detroit.
But...there is a lot to unpack there, so you can forgive me if I don’t take it all on at the moment.
He avoided my question of why this vaccine is different from the one of smallpox where the entire world got it (so they got marked). Or you know MMR, or tetanus, or hepatitis B, or polio, all vaccines that are as popular as this is gonna be.
I don't think that he really is clear on what he is saying.
Put out more flags!
Absolutely. There’s a school of thought that if it was indeed intended to predict a future event, it would be the fall of the Roman Empire, but there’s no way the writer was looking forward any further than that.
I don’t want to fall foul of our great and marvellous mods by derailing the thread any further, but searching Peter Cook End Of The World on YouTube will give people a good idea of a contemporary futurist interpretation.
There are all kinds of eschatological views held by many in the christian world. Covid 19 is a relatively mild plague compared to others in the past, and so would seem to be fairly insignificant from a scriptural perspective.
Plagues prophesied in the the last days are judgements (great tribulation). Churches are divided in their interpretation of what scripture teaches in regard to the events leading up to, and during, the great tribulation. Evangelicals mostly fall into two eschatological theological camps. Some believe the church is raptured (Christians go to heaven) before the great tribulation, and so they obviously would not believe that Covid 19 is a judgement, because Christians are still here and catching the virus as well. Others believe the church is here on the earth during the great tribulation, but are not judged by God. It would be similar to the plagues which fell on Egypt in Moses time, none of the Hebrews were harmed. Again, this current pandemic does not fit that theology either. The religion thread is a good place to discus this further if interested.
Damning read. You look at this. You look at PPE, you look at the planning, you look at milkions spent on tests that don't work, you look at Brexit.
You can see a theme.
We are being governed by utter morons.
You won't
It's amazing just how poor journalism is, this whole pandemic is showing the journalists to be pretty much amateurs. They're just taking any interview they do as truth, not getting sources verified, or quotes, and they're always bending their articles to their own thoughts.
You guys here are more trustworthy than they are, well apart from the religious nutjob.
You guys here are more trustworthy than they are, well apart from the religious nutjob.
Only have anecdotal information about West Africa, but my family & friends have said that in Ghana & Nigeria - people who flew into the international airports were being screened for high temperature/fever as early as February.
For Ghana specifically, the government placed international travellers into enforced quarantine for 14 days at various hotels, and tested them at some point in the last 2 weeks of March (my mum landed March 14 and didn't have to quarantine). If I remember correctly, as of end of March, there were about 150 cases, approx 2/3 of them were from those in the hotels, and the remaining third came from the general Ghanaian public.
The country then went in lockdown at the start of April, stopped all flights & closed the borders with about 200 reported cases - as of now there are about 900 cases that have been reported and so far about 10 deaths so they're definitely on the uphill part of their peak, but i'm hoping the death rate continues to remain low.
Whether those numbers are 100% accurate is a separate discussion, I don't think any country is reporting accurate numbers right now - but certainly the Ghanaian Government has been very proactive, and because of their early action while the numbers were low - they've certainly saved a lot of lives.
I have a theory on why I think the death rate is so low, but this isn't the thread for that and don't think it's appropriate right now anyway.
All sounds very positive, great to hear.
Still feels a bit like the elephant in the room here. Not least because it’s an incredibly confronting issue.
How do you verify something where some scientists disagree with other scientists?
As long as the journalist doesn't state one opinion as fact over another. This world would be unrecognisable without journalism.
I remember when the swine flu was breaking out, there were some wild claims in the media.
Third of the world would be infected.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/may/12/swine-flu-report-pandemic-predicted
65,000 could die
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jul/16/swine-flu-pandemic-warning-helpline
392 died in the UK
My criticism would be of overall planning in the past years. Particularly the pandemic preparedness exercise that highlighted key issues, these should have been dealt with. I think now we are in the grips of the pandemic we've done OK, we've not behaved significantly different to other countries in our measures, but we can always sit and point out what we might have done in hindsight.
Yeh, it's weird. Basically an article wanting to suggest Boris has basically been on holiday and not bothered with COVID-19. The good bits are things surrounding planning for a pandemic which should have been better - this is the key to our our problems now. Not lockdown a week later, not Boris absent from COBRA meeting. The UK is doing OK I think, Like I said above we aren't behaving in some insane relaxed way...we're in lockdown and people are picking fault with whether it should have been a week or two earlier. Some countries aren't even in lockdown!
Article is fecking nuts, if even half of it's true Borris and his cabinet will have to walk.
Peston can feck off. He's a shill and a hack and he loves making himself part of the story.
My brother-in-law owns a couple of barber shops and lockdown has crippled him. He is paying 6 staff out of his own pocket currently and his landlord is being a nightmare. Lease is due to soon with a fairly big payment due on renewal and when he asked for some co-operation the landlord said that tenants that are difficult during this period won’t get their leases renewed. My sister found various websites on how to commit suicide including videos on his laptop after he was acting funny. I can imagine this is far from an isolated case as it stands and it’s put huge strain on the family. I’m probably going to need to give them a big chunk of my house deposit just to get through this period as I’m quite fortunate with my position/employer at the minute and not at risk. Hope this virus fecks off soon.
Bless you
My friend who is a nurse is on day 13 of self-isolation after getting symptoms. They literally never managed to test her and now there's no real point.
She could potentially be, and wants to be, working in a Dublin hospital. Madness
Should add that she was told she 'slipped through the system', so hopefully it isn't the norm.
She could potentially be, and wants to be, working in a Dublin hospital. Madness
Should add that she was told she 'slipped through the system', so hopefully it isn't the norm.
Aye, I got that feeling after seeing his Twitter and promoting his new videos or some shite.
Cant he furlough his staff?
Not a good place for him to be in, but good that you can help them out for the time being.
This is the grim reality of the economic side and should be read by everyone who thinks health and the economy are separate issues to be dealt with individually
Preparing to throw Boris under the bus
Lord Baelish wouldn't do that.
Now I'm imaging how the GoT guys and gals would handle all this !