SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

I’m quite dumbfounded after reading all that. I hope it’s read widely and has significant ramifications.

It confirms every feeling I had while in Phuket, watching how drastically and dramatically places like Seoul, Singapore, Kuala Lumpar and Bangkok were reacting, while being utterly confused by the transigence and inaction of UK and other western nations.

And it’s tragic for so many reasons, not least because the article states Singapore was implementing up to date iterations of previous UK pandemic plans ... UK taught SE Asia what to do, and then doesn’t implement its own advice!

No one can do much about where a virus comes from. But you absolutely can impact how it affects your own people and nation. And the article intimates that’s Cameron’s Austery forced binary choices and an initial lackadaisical and false western superiority complex from Boris have culminated in the shitshow where Britain’s PM is personally phoning to beg ventilator and PPE manufacturers for stocks.

CEO’s and other leaders are employed to stop bad shit from ever happening. That’s literally their most important job. So I’ll never understand this notion that we had to wait for the pandemic to arrive before we could act. That makes zero sense, is a complete cop out and abdication of responsibility.

Even after decade of austerity, UK remains an extremely wealthy nation, and because of BrExit now also devoid of EU loyalties. There are so many things UK Government could have done from 2nd January which would have lessened the deaths and proven less financially costly than what we will now have to endure.

The public enquiry after this crisis must not only be thorough but it’s findings also explained back to the public as simply as possible so people are left in zero doubt about the heinous failure in leadership, from Boris, Hancock and the rest. Let’s see what happens after that.

It’s so staggeringly pathetic I want to laugh. But then I know I’ll also start to cry.
You called this "western media hysteria" on 5th of March. And in Phuket you said nobody was doing anything and didn't seem to care at all. You have gotten this totally wrong.
 
We should be glad his particular brand of stupidity branched off in this direction rather than the O'Doherty/Waters route.

:lol: Hadn’t thought of it like that.
 
You called this "western media hysteria" on 5th of March. And in Phuket you said nobody was doing anything and didn't seem to care at all. You have gotten this totally wrong.


Whether I'm right or wrong on this doesn't matter at all. I'm not an expert on this subject and certainly not offering the Government or anyone else advice.

There was very little incidence in the sleepy part of Phuket I was in, yet people were already wearing masks, and had stopped incomings from China long before. Bangkok was taking it more seriously at the time. Everything changed when Imperial report came out.

Singapore, KL etc entered lockdown over a week before UK. with far less incidence than UK had when they entered lockdown.
 
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I can be wrong. Whether I'm right or wrong doesn't matter at all. I'm not an expert on this subject and certainly not offering the Government or anyone else advice on this matter.

There was very little incidence in Phuket, yet people were already wearing masks, and had stopped incomings from China long before.

Singapore, KL etc entered lockdown 2 full weeks before UK. with far less incidence than UK had when they entered lockdown.
Sure, that's fine, but your 2nd paragraph of the previous message is only lies.
 
Erm. OK. If you say so. Happy now?
Sure. I prefer facts to lies, especially on this thread.
Am still in Phuket. Not a big deal here at all! Really don't understand the Western hysteria over this.

Anyway, there was a rumour swirling around the hotel I'm staying at that UK Government is considering stopping all international flights in and out of UK for an indefinite period, and that Cabinet was meeting today to decide. I've searched on google and cant find any credible sources stating this.

Anyone in UK know if this is true?
 
Have you seen her other content? She's quite the conspiracy nut talking about fake shootings, new world order etc, the whole nine yards.
I agree with you to a degree, but let us just wait and see what happens, in the coming months. Being a Christian I have been expecting there to come a time when the whole world becomes evil and when people have to have some kind of mark or whatever to be able to remain a part of society. Could it be a vaccine? I have no idea. But I do know that the World is going to be different from now on.
 
Sure. I prefer facts to lies, especially on this thread.
Western media did become 'hysterical' in early March, having been relatively calm about the threat upon themselves during February. That the hysteria ended up as justifiable doesn't negate that. And as I stated, the part of Phuket I was in was very calm. Also, according to you I wrote my initial post on 5th March. UK Lockdown happened on 23rd. Alot happened in those 2 weeks, including my own views.

Anyways, aside from some bizarre point scoring that I dont understand, I'm not sure what you think I said or didn't say is of importance. But chalk up a point if you must. :confused:
 
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Powerful belt of cognitive dissonance reading this tweet.

@sullydnl

I hope they are real..
I know of someone (a doctor) who collected orders from other local doctors via some facebook group and placed an order for 2000 KN95 masks from China.. got the shipment in a few weeks and they were labeled KN 95 on the box but turned out to be general surgical masks.
 
I agree with you to a degree, but let us just wait and see what happens, in the coming months. Being a Christian I have been expecting there to come a time when the whole world becomes evil and when people have to have some kind of mark or whatever to be able to remain a part of society. Could it be a vaccine? I have no idea. But I do know that the World is going to be different from now on.
One of the most concerning things I've read in this thread.
 
I agree with you to a degree, but let us just wait and see what happens, in the coming months. Being a Christian I have been expecting there to come a time when the whole world becomes evil and when people have to have some kind of mark or whatever to be able to remain a part of society. Could it be a vaccine? I have no idea. But I do know that the World is going to be different from now on.

Not being a Christian I have been expecting there to come a time when the whole world goes fecking bonkers.
 
Yeah, I have a friend that her grandma was in a similar situation but not in such extreme. Food was being catered but the company refuse to bring it to the rooms as usual and had to be the cleaners who did it.

+ 100 elders infected (1 day before they release it to the press, they said to my friend that only 1) 90% of workers infected and some left the post leaving them mostly unattended but as I say, not at that extreme and they reacted decently when found out

IN another elderly home of the same company, 30 nuns that were the carers fled (christian values and so) and the priest found 10 deaths living among the living

And I ASSUME that non developed countries have much elderly homes, because they don't have as much and they usually live with their families and probably elderly homes are for the rich.

But when will hit, and it will, will be a massacre for years as if for whatever reason we developed a vaccine in 12-18 months ( if everything goes perfect) they will be the last in the mass production of it
In non-developed countries (at least south asian countries) care homes are frowned upon and considered a selfish western society act. So regardless of wealth level parents stay with their children.
 
Stop derailing the thread.
Tbf to @massi83 he’s only pointing out the contradiction of the post.
I agree that the thread shouldn’t descend into “I told you so battles’ or ‘point scoring’ but it’s a bit naughty from Sammy there and kind of does need to be called out.
 
Anybody watching this One World Global Citizen concert thing?

Not exactly Live Aid is it.
 
Polish borders are closed until 3 May minimum and US borders are closed indefinitely yet KLM have just told me they will take 30 more days to consider whether I should be getting a voucher/rebooking for my flights to San Francisco on 1 May (so they will make a decision after the date) and will not reimburse my return flight at the same time, will have to submit a separate application that will be conditioned on travel restrictions at the time (thought getting on return flight is hard if you don’t actually go to a place you’re supposed to be returning from but what do I know).
 
Telegraph: 7,500 feared to have died of coronavirus in UK care homes

'Care England data suggests fatalities are five times higher than official figures show

The number of care home residents who have died of suspected coronavirus may have reached 7,500, according to the latest estimate, The Telegraph has learned.

New data collated by Care England, the country's largest representative body for care homes, suggests the number of deaths from Covid-19 is far higher than its previous estimate of 1,400 from earlier this week.

The number is also far in advance of the official figure from the Office for National Statistics (ONS), which has recorded 217 care home deaths from the virus up to April 3 – the most recent date for which official data is available.

However, as the Government published its daily update on coronavirus hospital deaths on Friday, which showed a rise to 14,576, it emerged that the death toll in UK care homes is suspected to be much bigger than previously feared.

Professor Martin Green, the chief executive of Care England, told The Telegraph that around 7,500 people may have died in care homes as a result of the virus.

"Without testing, it is very difficult to give an absolute figure," he said. "However, if we look at some of the death rates since April 1 and compare them with previous years' rates, we estimate a figure of about 7,500 people may have died as a result of Covid-19."

Care England, which represents around 3,800 homes and more than 50,000 residents, gathered data by "taking a sounding" from its homes.'
 
Tbf to @massi83 he’s only pointing out the contradiction of the post.
I agree that the thread shouldn’t descend into “I told you so battles’ or ‘point scoring’ but it’s a bit naughty from Sammy there and kind of does need to be called out.
Fine, but without links no-one knows what he is on about tbh and it descended into a derailing squabble.
 
what is happening right now is the book of revelation to a tee. try to deny it .

I can't really think of anything pertinent to the book of revelation that we're seeing here, certainly nothing unique to the book. Can you tell me what's linking them in your mind? It's like me squinting my eyes while reading I am Legend and convincing myself that those who get inoculated are going to start eating people.
 
Quasimodo predicted all this.