SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Feel like this clapping stuff is the new poppy.

Saw a clap for the queen's birthday next week. Absolute bin suggestion.


It feels like satire at times. 'Brasseye's new 3hour feature-length special episode. Segments such as the PM (who looks like Matt Lucas in character) telling the nation to sing Happy Birthday while washing their hands. It's almost surreal.
 
It feels like satire at times. 'Brasseye's new 3hour feature-length special episode. Segments such as the PM (who looks like Matt Lucas in character) telling the nation to sing Happy Birthday while washing their hands. It's almost surreal.
"It's corona virus! People are bursting with corona virus"
 
Yeah, every country is different isn't it. Sorry to hear of your own predicament man, all the best and let's hope it's not as long a haul...

Having lived in a major Chinese city, and seen how the majority of the population (even relatively rich people) live in tower blocks due to lack of space.....its easy to lock down a city like that. All you need really is 2-3 armed police officers per tower block, at the entrance/exit, and you're literally quarantinining a good 500-1000 people in one easy swoop. Repeat that for every tower block in the city and you've quarantined millions of people with a few hundred police officers, give or take.

To do the same in the West with sprawling neighbourhoods, housing areas, is next to impossible unless you're deploying hundreds of officers to each town. They'd have to be 'on the move' non-stop in cars (main roads) and on foot (elsewhere). Not feasible.

Ta chap. To be honest in my situation im ok. Gives me a spell to concentrate on my passion of running (adhering to the rules of course!)

Interesting insight into the differences. I suppose on top of that people in China are more used to being dictated to as well. Communist type countries etc. ( won't go too deep totally out of my knowledge zone here!)
 
Yep totally agree. It was a novelty when fresh but now it's pointless unless something major has changed. Like today's confirmation.

All the questions are simply
When will lockdown/the peak end?
Why are we worse than others?
Where's the PPE/testing?

The journos have their questions and still ask them even if the briefing has covered it already.


I always wonder what the point of that transport use graph is as well.

I got the impression that the transport graph was a pat on the back to show how well we are doing at the lockdown, as quite understandably public transport must have been a great way of spreading it, and the drop off on the graph is quite a dramatic visual to display, but to show it every time, and to then follow it up with the all important hospital admissions graph seems odd.

I think if they did these briefings every 4-5 days they'd be really worth watching, and would stop people getting jaded with them, which quite possibly means missing some important new information, I'd also stop them asking the media if they 'want to follow up'.
 
Feel like this clapping stuff is the new poppy.

Saw a clap for the queen's birthday next week. Absolute bin suggestion.

I got shot down in the first week after my other half (NHS worker) said she'd rather have PPE than people's claps. Now we're past the romance phase, we're now starting to see the signs of people questioning approach. Which is only a good thing. The care home sector is quite frankly a scandal waiting to be uncovered, but hopefully people clapping put the energy into getting the right policy sorted/government held to account.

Clapping for the queen is laughable though, i'd probably prefer clapping for that 99 year old who managed to raise £15m with a bit of creativity.
 
We are starting to lift restrictions in Poland!

It's phased:

  • Monday 20th April: 4 people per cashier in stores (now 3), for larger markets 1 person per 15 sqm, you will be able to go for walks, parks and forests will open, people between 13-18 will be able to leave home without an adult
  • Monday 27th April: hotels, libraries and museums will reopen
  • Monday 4th May: restaurants to reopen with limited capacity, hair saloons and beauty parlors will reopen, shopping centers will open, sporting events with up to 50 participants to be allowed (behind closed doors only)
  • Monday 11th May: gyms, cinemas and theaters to reopen with limited capacity
Masks will be obligatory until vaccine is available. Mass gatherings likely to be banned until vaccine as well. Limited capacity to continue. If cases go up significantly, lockdown will return with immediate effect.
 
We are starting to lift restrictions in Poland!

It's phased:

  • Monday 20th April: 4 people per cashier in stores (now 3), for larger markets 1 person per 15 sqm, you will be able to go for walks, parks and forests will open, people between 13-18 will be able to leave home without an adult
  • Monday 27th April: hotels, libraries and museums will reopen
  • Monday 4th May: restaurants to reopen with limited capacity, hair saloons and beauty parlors will reopen, shopping centers will open, sporting events with up to 50 participants to be allowed (behind closed doors only)
  • Monday 11th May: gyms, cinemas and theaters to reopen with limited capacity
Masks will be obligatory until vaccine is available. Mass gatherings likely to be banned until vaccine as well. Limited capacity to continue. If cases go up significantly, lockdown will return with immediate effect.

Interesting to read this, especially the priority given to hotels, libraries and museums.

I'm not close to the data, but is Poland seeing a reduction in cases/deaths now?
 
Surely you would have to keep the majority of lock down rules in place until a Vaccine is available? We all saw how quickly this fecker can spread.

Well stuff like Cheltenham and Liverpool-Atletico Madrid mass gatherings won't be happening anytime soon or indeed perhaps not early next year either although I hope we'd have had some sort of medical breakthrough by then.

I can only go by my experience but mass gathering hotspot is between 5-6pm at Birmingham new Street and you can factor in the same at Manc Piccadilly/Victoria, Leeds, Sheffield, Bristol and all the London terminals (and the tube).

Once you ease lockdown you need to come up with some sort of action plan which will continue to stop unneccesary trips into the office if you can do the work at home. If you are in the office then perhaps more flexible start and finish times. Add in general less trips into major cities for leisure given many restuarants and pubs could well be closed and we should be getting somewhere if they trial that through June.

Not sure what the plan is for Winter though, that's going to be a big problem.
 
I've seen this being a common misunderstanding. H1N1 started in 1918 (though there are theories that it might have been even earlier) and that virus is one of the most common influenza viruses that make people sick. However, there are dozens of influenza A viruses (the flu shots protect you only against H3N1 and H1N1), many strains of type B virus (which also makes people very sick and the flu shot gives protection against 1 or 2 influenza B strains) and influenza C viruses (milder, but present only in humans), and also type D which at the moment does not infect people.

I think that it is believed that type B and C have been with us for thousands of years.
Ah, thanks!
 
We are starting to lift restrictions in Poland!

It's phased:

  • Monday 20th April: 4 people per cashier in stores (now 3), for larger markets 1 person per 15 sqm, you will be able to go for walks, parks and forests will open, people between 13-18 will be able to leave home without an adult
  • Monday 27th April: hotels, libraries and museums will reopen
  • Monday 4th May: restaurants to reopen with limited capacity, hair saloons and beauty parlors will reopen, shopping centers will open, sporting events with up to 50 participants to be allowed (behind closed doors only)
  • Monday 11th May: gyms, cinemas and theaters to reopen with limited capacity
Masks will be obligatory until vaccine is available. Mass gatherings likely to be banned until vaccine as well. Limited capacity to continue. If cases go up significantly, lockdown will return with immediate effect.

That's promising. Interesting on the masks. If you go without one, will you be fined or just warned. I'm struggling to understand why U.K is being so dismissive of them apart from of course not having many of them to distribute!

Anyway you staying indoors until 2021 just to make sure Sarni?;)
 
Ta chap. To be honest in my situation im ok. Gives me a spell to concentrate on my passion of running (adhering to the rules of course!)

Interesting insight into the differences. I suppose on top of that people in China are more used to being dictated to as well. Communist type countries etc. ( won't go too deep totally out of my knowledge zone here!)


No it's true, basically. It's the perfect storm for their government because they've got a very manageable population in terms of they live in these singular buildings plus those same people have been more or less indoctrinated since birth to obey everything they are told without question. Very easy population to manage which to be honest, in a situation like this it's probably for the best.
 
Interesting to read this, especially the priority given to hotels, libraries and museums.

I'm not close to the data, but is Poland seeing a reduction in cases/deaths now?

Nope it’s rising every day.
 
That's promising. Interesting on the masks. If you go without one, will you be fined or just warned. I'm struggling to understand why U.K is being so dismissive of them apart from of course not having many of them to distribute!

Anyway you staying indoors until 2021 just to make sure Sarni?;)

I plan to work from home for the next 3 months anyway, let’s see after that. I’m actually spending at least 2 hours outside everyday even now.
 
We are starting to lift restrictions in Poland!

It's phased:

  • Monday 20th April: 4 people per cashier in stores (now 3), for larger markets 1 person per 15 sqm, you will be able to go for walks, parks and forests will open, people between 13-18 will be able to leave home without an adult
  • Monday 27th April: hotels, libraries and museums will reopen
  • Monday 4th May: restaurants to reopen with limited capacity, hair saloons and beauty parlors will reopen, shopping centers will open, sporting events with up to 50 participants to be allowed (behind closed doors only)
  • Monday 11th May: gyms, cinemas and theaters to reopen with limited capacity
Masks will be obligatory until vaccine is available. Mass gatherings likely to be banned until vaccine as well. Limited capacity to continue. If cases go up significantly, lockdown will return with immediate effect.



Of course, as is to be expected.
But this is brilliant news man. Love seeing other countries around us getting light at the end of the tunnel and planning ahead. Go on Poland.
 
Yeah, every country is different isn't it. Sorry to hear of your own predicament man, all the best and let's hope it's not as long a haul...

Having lived in a major Chinese city, and seen how the majority of the population (even relatively rich people) live in tower blocks due to lack of space.....its easy to lock down a city like that. All you need really is 2-3 armed police officers per tower block, at the entrance/exit, and you're literally quarantinining a good 500-1000 people in one easy swoop. Repeat that for every tower block in the city and you've quarantined millions of people with a few hundred police officers, give or take.

To do the same in the West with sprawling neighbourhoods, housing areas, is next to impossible unless you're deploying hundreds of officers to each town. They'd have to be 'on the move' non-stop in cars (main roads) and on foot (elsewhere). Not feasible.

As a Police officer in a large town of over one hundred and fifty thousand people in the UK, I have started work on the morning where there were 4 officers. Me, a pregnant lady who was desk bound, and two new starters, who weren't allowed to drive. We couldn't have locked down a single street in the worse areas, especially with the softly softly approach we have been instructed to take.
 
I got the impression that the transport graph was a pat on the back to show how well we are doing at the lockdown, as quite understandably public transport must have been a great way of spreading it, and the drop off on the graph is quite a dramatic visual to display, but to show it every time, and to then follow it up with the all important hospital admissions graph seems odd.

I think if they did these briefings every 4-5 days they'd be really worth watching, and would stop people getting jaded with them, which quite possibly means missing some important new information, I'd also stop them asking the media if they 'want to follow up'.

Yes at first the follow up thing seemed refreshing from Raab.
Now it just makes him look weak and having to answer the same question again.
 
As a Police officer in a large town of over one hundred and fifty thousand people in the UK, I have started work on the morning where there were 4 officers. Me, a pregnant lady who was desk bound, and two new starters, who weren't allowed to drive. We couldn't have locked down a single street in the worse areas, especially with the softly softly approach we have been instructed to take.

That sounds like the opening scene of a zombie movie.
 
Feel like this clapping stuff is the new poppy.

Saw a clap for the queen's birthday next week. Absolute bin suggestion.

It means something to people that matter to people.

Don’t get jaded. NHS staff are buoyed by it.

Remove the politics. Make a noise. Be a good person. That’s it.

The queen can Fcuk off though.
 
Someone from the U.S. knows if the 22 million people that lost their employment are still covered in case they get COVID-19? or the white house/states have nothing planned on that?
 
It means something to people that matter to people.

Don’t get jaded. NHS staff are buoyed by it.

Remove the politics. Make a noise. Be a good person. That’s it.

The queen can Fcuk off though.

Half the cnuts clapping are Tory voters, meaning they have supported the decimation of the NHS over a prolonged period. It’s tokenism at its finest. Just pay the poor feckers more, give them basic PPE and fund the surgeries and hospitals they work in. No one does this nonsense quite like the Brits. Are the Germans doing the same thing every Thursday, or are they gearing up to get back to normal because they had sensible policy in the first place?
 
What happens to airlines? Holiday companies? Surely many will go bust, mainly the latter.
 
We are starting to lift restrictions in Poland!

It's phased:

  • Monday 20th April: 4 people per cashier in stores (now 3), for larger markets 1 person per 15 sqm, you will be able to go for walks, parks and forests will open, people between 13-18 will be able to leave home without an adult
  • Monday 27th April: hotels, libraries and museums will reopen
  • Monday 4th May: restaurants to reopen with limited capacity, hair saloons and beauty parlors will reopen, shopping centers will open, sporting events with up to 50 participants to be allowed (behind closed doors only)
  • Monday 11th May: gyms, cinemas and theaters to reopen with limited capacity
Masks will be obligatory until vaccine is available. Mass gatherings likely to be banned until vaccine as well. Limited capacity to continue. If cases go up significantly, lockdown will return with immediate effect.
Masks will be obligatory until 2021 at least?
 
Half the cnuts clapping are Tory voters, meaning they have supported the decimation of the NHS over a prolonged period. It’s tokenism at its finest. Just pay the poor feckers more, give them basic PPE and fund the surgeries and hospitals they work in. No one does this nonsense quite like the Brits. Are the Germans doing the same thing every Thursday, or are they gearing up to get back to normal because they had sensible policy in the first place?

Clapping, praying, painting your ringpiece into a rainbow are just token gestures to help the practitioners feel better about themselves.

It's tiresome.
 
Half the cnuts clapping are Tory voters, meaning they have supported the decimation of the NHS over a prolonged period. It’s tokenism at its finest. Just pay the poor feckers more, give them basic PPE and fund the surgeries and hospitals they work in. No one does this nonsense quite like the Brits. Are the Germans doing the same thing every Thursday, or are they gearing up to get back to normal because they had sensible policy in the first place?

It’s not either/or you daftie.

I don’t applaud the people that are applauding. I applaud the people that are doing.

Objecting to that because some people that are clapping have different politics to you... hints at something broken in you.
 
Clapping, praying, painting your ringpiece into a rainbow are just token gestures to help the practitioners feel better about themselves.

It's tiresome.

#Prayfor... fecks me off no end as well. Literally what will praying achieve in a time of strife like, for instance, a mass shooting? People flood social media with this sort of nonsense but don’t actually do anything meaningful to support.
 
It’s not either/or you daftie.

I don’t applaud the people that are applauding. I applaud the people that are doing.

Objecting to that because some people that are clapping have different politics to you... hints at something broken in you.

I don’t object to them clapping, they are free to do as they wish. Just as I am free to call it token bollocks. It’s not a massive data sample, but I have three mates who work in the NHS in different capacities and they think it’s all well and good but are more concerned with the dire state of the conditions they are working in. It’s like the nonsense pin badges created for care workers. Just give the poor buggers the proper kit instead.
 
I don’t object to them clapping, they are free to do as they wish. Just as I am free to call it token bollocks. It’s not a massive data sample, but I have three mates who work in the NHS in different capacities and they think it’s all well and good but are more concerned with the dire state of the conditions they are working in. It’s like the nonsense pin badges created for care workers. Just give the poor buggers the proper kit instead.

You have 3 friends that think it’s good. Go outside. Clap. Not all tokens are negative.

If you want to do something more, fcuking do it and stop complaining.

I’m a useless piece of shit for the most part but I’ve done more direct social good in the last month than I have in my entire life.

I voted labour. I wouldn’t have cared if Boris had passed. Hancock is a twat. Patel is evil. If I saw Raab walking down a flight of stairs I’d want to kick him. The queen can disappear.

You arguing to be a slightly worse person. Why?
 
Is it really about that though? The legality? I mean let’s ask ourselves, is him filming that incident necessary at all? The woman wasn’t having her head kicked in.
Is the guardian going to run a story of ‘female arrested in park and walked to van by officers’ ?

I get the fascination with filming absolutely everything under the sun and posting it online out of context but could people just not do this whilst the country is being ravaged by a virus?

People need to take some fecking responsibility sometimes. In these times, act like an adult. You don’t need to film that, onlookers and people nearby don’t know he’s a journalist, they’ll see that and they’ll think something is going on and in turn they too will start gathering and pulling out cameras. We don’t need martyrs encouraging this sort of behaviour, especially as I’ve already said it’s completely unnecessary. Are officers now supposed to check on everybody filming them to see if they’re legitimate journalists? Just because they said they were. How about you just not film?

That video was shot in Finsbury Park, where I worked for a day about two weeks ago and during the day there were groups of people repeatedly going there to socialise and have beers and pretty much everyone we spoke to greeted us with snobby, sarcastic remarks. Thats probably why a TSG unit are there because to put it bluntly they tend to be a bit more “assertive” and less customer friendly.

And expecting Police to be able to socially distance themselves when out and about is absurd. It is encouraged but in reality it is completely unrealistic.

People are deluded. People are whinging and moaning about people not respecting the lockdown and somehow think these same people will simply obey and adhere to instructions to go home from an officer standing two metres away and politely asking “can you go home please”?
What planet are these people living on?

There’s a complete lack of personal responsibility in this country. But I guess it shouldn’t be a surprise when you have government officials putting out the most insincere apologies known to man when asked about their response to the coronavirus. Why would the citizens behave any different?
The thing is that the man identified himself as a journalist. He was filming an indecent that he saw when walking through the park.
The idea that the police are allowed to stop a journalist from filming what they are doing is scary.
 
I'm forcing myself to believe that this clapping is going to be exchangeable in the future for real financial backing for the NHS, both in terms of treatments and workers pay, including the backing of strikes and resistance to political vandalism and sell offs.

So clap, clap away to your heart's content but know that when it comes to cashing that in, the cheques had better be legit.
 
Makes sense to me. If they’re deemed important now what would change that stance between now and a vaccine being rolled out?
If the curb reaches R0 in a country which is very likely after successful lock down, and there are no imported cases what with the summer ahead and most viruses being seasonal I thought that might not be necessary.
 
Slovenia will be lifting some restrictions starting next week. Technical stores and services open on Monday, while the next batch, which includes hairdressers, cosmetic salons, non-essential stores (excluding ones located in shopping centres), and outside non-contact sport centres, open up on May 4th. No word on restaurants, bars or public transport yet.

So that's something.
 
+17164 cases in France now. That was a huge leap all of a sudden.
It seems to be linked to to cases in retirement homes and some hospitals that weren't previously reported for whatever reason. So I don't think that's a "true" number of the last 24 hours. Not necessarily linked to a big increase in testing either, just reporting.
 
Someone from the U.S. knows if the 22 million people that lost their employment are still covered in case they get COVID-19? or the white house/states have nothing planned on that?
You’re expected to file for (very expensive) continued coverage under your old plan via COBRA, or use the special enrollment period to apply for coverage via the healthcare exchange or Medicaid. Failing that: a negotiated long term payment plan or bankruptcy.

As far as plans from the government to change that, eh...I don’t know how that would work.