SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Fecking nightmare wearing a mask with glasses on, they keep fogging up every time I exhale.

Try washing them with soapy water and then drying with a fine cloth. Works on my scuba mask anyway.
 
My cousin is a doctor in London, last week he was moved off of his previous research onto a COVID-19 ward. Very first day on the ward he wasnt given PPE, and today has tested positive for it after developing mild symptoms. Shambles.
 
With global CV19 deaths at around 105,000 and UK deaths about top 10,000 (hospitals only) we really do need to understand why we account for almost 1/10 deaths.

And in particular why similar nations like Germany has managed to limit their deaths significantly lower.

Yes I know about Italy, Spain and France.
But we should be comparing ourselves with the best and not the worst.

It's simple, we are a terrible nation for looking after our own health, ridiculous amounts of obese people for a start.

Add in the drinking culture and chain smokers, and recreational drug users and you have your answer.
 
Just been watching CNN news and their reporter in china is saying authorities are actively blocking universities and research institutions from researching the origins of the virus. Very suspicious behaviour and worth seeing if the story develops further

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...AhAB&usg=AOvVaw23NQCcFQtY7l3NM7vIJw2y&ampcf=1

Editied to add link to uk article
I doubt it develops into anything we don't already know. The last paragraph is an insight into what they are trying to do I think:
Around a month ago senior Chinese diplomats, officials and state media all publicly encouraged speculation that the new coronavirus could have come from outside the country. The foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian suggested without evidence that the US military might have brought the virus to Wuhan.
Trump talks shit about China, China creates fake news about CIA, Boris says there will reckoning for China, China laughs at Boris...

It's all a pissing contest trying to divert attention away now.
 
It's simple, we are a terrible nation for looking after our own health, ridiculous amounts of obese people for a start.

Add in the drinking culture and chain smokers, and recreational drug users and you have your answer.

I imagine the figures are slightly different now, but according to the EU's statistical office Germany has more smokers, more drinkers (and binge drinkers) and fewer obese people. Taken altogether, Germany are more or less on par with the UK, and the UK aren't particularly exceptional in any sense.
 
On what planet is that attacking NHS England.
The same planet where Miliband said it was shocking how many people were having to use food banks and Cameron's response was "how dare you insult the good people who run food banks". They're deflectionist wankers of the highest kind.
 
So I was waiting for some take away food an hour ago when I heard a shitload of sirens nearby. Not usual, I thought it was either a few people being transported to Intensive Care or police moving in force to deal with another emergency.

Just heard it was a fire that broke in the kitchen of our hospital. Christ. I really hope no one was hurt.
 
There's three factors to consider for the economic impact: the depth of the economic pause, the length of the economic pause, and the shape of the recovery. The experts don't really have a clue about the latter, but there's some early signs in China that suggest it could be very quick recovery. Obviously the unprecedented economic policies taken by so many governments are aimed at making it that "v-shaped recovery". In which case the depths we're reaching right now aren't very indicative of the levels we'll return to post-pandemic.



Undoubtedly the impacts of lockdowns will be unevenly spread, across countries and within countries, depending on the nature of the work and the policies designed for them. Every country will need to make some terrible decisions and in the worst-hit areas, I think there's a big danger of social unrest regardless of which route they take. A lot of people won't sit quietly while lives are lost to save jobs. In the UK there's a clear consensus that saving every life matters more than protecting the economy, but obviously context matters a lot. The UK is able to do both quite well for now. For those relying on day-to-day jobs, a non-existent physical economy without economic protection from the government is life-and-death if it goes on long enough.

In any case, I think it's safe to say the plight of the full-time employee forced to work from home won't really feature on anyone's list of concerns.
A YouGov poll is hardly a 'clear consensus'.
 
I doubt it develops into anything we don't already know. The last paragraph is an insight into what they are trying to do I think:
Trump talks shit about China, China creates fake news about CIA, Boris says there will reckoning for China, China laughs at Boris...

It's all a pissing contest trying to divert attention away now.

Trump didn't talk shit about China until that clown in the Chinese foreign ministry started leaking false news that the US army brought the virus over to them in October. In fact he was publicly praising Xi Jinping as late as March as he didn't want to piss them off ahead of a trade deal he sees as key to his re-election.

Whatever shit the Chinese are drowning in is down to their own thick headedness and self created nuisance.
 
I imagine the figures are slightly different now, but according to the EU's statistical office Germany has more smokers, more drinkers (and binge drinkers) and fewer obese people. Taken altogether, Germany are more or less on par with the UK, and the UK aren't particularly exceptional in any sense.

We're thick as shit though. I'm still reading news articles with quotes from the public like "I'm still unsure whether I can walk past someone in a park, the government should clarify". Presumably these same people need government videos explaining how to wipe their arse.

Zero personal responsibility.
 
London has only 13% of the UK's population but 28% of its coronavirus deaths.

As much as anything else, the UK is a victim of the success of its capital on the global stage. The same goes for New York.
 
London has only 13% of the UK's population but 28% of its coronavirus deaths.

As much as anything else, the UK is a victim of the success of its capital on the global stage. The same goes for New York.


Or it's a major city with a massive public transport infrastructure that aided virus transmission.
 
A YouGov poll is hardly a 'clear consensus'.

What do you think is a better indicator of public opinion? It's not like they asked a few hundred folks at a particular point in time. They surveyed 2,000 people every day this month and got the same result every time, across every demographic.
 
Aren't these UK fatality figures too high for a weekend?

I expected an even greater underreporting because it's an easter weekend.
 
Hancock basically blaming the public for the UK's high death rate. This government's approval rating is increasing as well.
 
London has only 13% of the UK's population but 28% of its coronavirus deaths.

As much as anything else, the UK is a victim of the success of its capital on the global stage. The same goes for New York.

It's as bad in France if not worse, 37% come from Iles-De-France.
 
With global CV19 deaths at around 105,000 and UK deaths about top 10,000 (hospitals only) we really do need to understand why we account for almost 1/10 deaths.

And in particular why similar nations like Germany has managed to limit their deaths significantly lower.

Yes I know about Italy, Spain and France.
But we should be comparing ourselves with the best and not the worst.

From the Germans themselves there are likely two reasons.

1. They were able to quickly test anybody with symptoms because they allowed tests at regional level rather than going to a central laboratory like everybody else in Europe. The fatality rate in Germany is likely not much better than anywhere else, they have just identified a higher proportion of their overall positive cases.

2. The virus was mostly brought into the country by younger people, and they have less contact with the elderly unlike in Spain and Italy. There have been very few outbreaks in German nursing homes and a higher proportion of their cases are in younger people.
 
UK : 737 new deaths (total 10, 612)
Total cases 84, 279 (increase of 5, 288)
They include a 26-year-old man and a 100-year-old man. Of the people who've died, 42 of them had no pre-existing conditions.
(from La Repubblica)
 
A vaccine in autumn could well be catastrophic. You're right that human trials need significantly longer to assess side effects.

My fear is that, in order to save face, governments (in particular, America) will just throw cash at a fast-tracked vaccine to be first to announce it 'Look at me, we did it, we're the best!'. It'll be pushed through on a wave of money and the calls of concern from the scientists working on it will be drowned out.

I can also guarantee that if this is the route the US goes down, Trump will have some conflict of interest in it which has not been broadcast.

I think if a vaccine is ever developed it will come from Germany. They’ve got their ducks in a row in a way the US never will.
 
From the Germans themselves there are likely two reasons.

1. They were able to quickly test anybody with symptoms because they allowed tests at regional level rather than going to a central laboratory like everybody else in Europe. The fatality rate in Germany is likely not much better than anywhere else, they have just identified a higher proportion of their overall positive cases.

2. The virus was mostly brought into the country by younger people, and they have less contact with the elderly unlike in Spain and Italy. There have been very few outbreaks in German nursing homes and a higher proportion of their cases are in younger people.

Who did that?
 
My cousin is a doctor in London, last week he was moved off of his previous research onto a COVID-19 ward. Very first day on the ward he wasnt given PPE, and today has tested positive for it after developing mild symptoms. Shambles.

It's ridiculous that we are still talking about PPE, If they are being asked to look after confirmed patients it's the equivalent of sending someone into a burning building without their fireproofs or breathing apparatus on.
 
It's as bad in France if not worse, 37% come from Iles-De-France.
Exactly. Another crowded, international city with cramped public transport.

Just like London and New York, people travel in and out of the city frequently. Which makes contact tracing much more difficult than you'd find in smaller countries without major business hubs.

Germany's population/economy doesn't revolve around a single major city in the same way. Their epidemic developed along a different path, meaning they could control it in a different way.
 
UK : 737 new deaths (total 10, 612)
Total cases 84, 279 (increase of 5, 288)
They include a 26-year-old man and a 100-year-old man. Of the people who've died, 42 of them had no pre-existing conditions.
(from La Repubblica)
I always get hopeful when I hear that the numbers have dipped on Sunday.

This week, I'm going to temper my optimism. Tuesday is the day I'll be paying attention to.
 
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/...that-the-us-army-brought-coronavirus-to-wuhan

Known as the USA virus in China

Hard to say how accurate the article, is, I'd hope most understand but won't say.

I have friends in China in a few places. No one believes that it ever came out of anywhere other than Wuhan.
The Chinese are not stupid. This is the usual Asian bashing articles that newspapers write quoting someone. The Chinese social media is very active and is very varied. I am not saying that there is no one who has a different view but nothing I have seen or heard says the US brought it to China. Yes early on there was an official who said it could have come from anywhere but all official news I have seen has it coming from Wuhan.
 
I have friends in China in a few places. No one believes that it ever came out of anywhere other than Wuhan.
The Chinese are not stupid. This is the usual Asian bashing articles that newspapers write quoting someone. The Chinese social media is very active and is very varied. I am not saying that there is no one who has a different view but nothing I have seen or heard says the US brought it to China. Yes early on there was an official who said it could have come from anywhere but all official news I have seen has it coming from Wuhan.
Similarly, the Chinese ive spoken to are dumbfounded as to how wuhan can be blamed.
 
Exactly. Another crowded, international city with cramped public transport.

Just like London and New York, people travel in and out of the city frequently. Which makes contact tracing much more difficult than you'd find in smaller countries without major business hubs.

Germany's population/economy doesn't revolve around a single major city in the same way. Their epidemic developed along a different path, meaning they could control it in a different way.
I agree with a lot of this Dante. God help the turks if it starts to spread in Istanbul
 
Questions at the presser are shite again. Only one person offering any real challenge, about care homes.
 
A work colleague is going to his girlfriends place every so often whilst living at home. I'm not sure if I should be angry but it annoyed me. That isn't meant to happen right? or am I mistaken.
 
A work colleague is going to his girlfriends place every so often whilst living at home. I'm not sure if I should be angry but it annoyed me. That isn't meant to happen right? or am I mistaken.

Your colleague is a moron. It's not supposed to happen.
 
A work colleague is going to his girlfriends place every so often whilst living at home. I'm not sure if I should be angry but it annoyed me. That isn't meant to happen right? or am I mistaken.
You are right, he is a spreader/tosser.