SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Relevated said:
Similarly, the Chinese ive spoken to are dumbfounded as to how wuhan can be blamed.
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I am dumbfounded too as to how Wuhan can be blamed. I never said they said Wuhan is to be blamed. They said it most probably come from somewhere in the exotic market in Wuhan
 
Lay said:
A work colleague is going to his girlfriends place every so often whilst living at home. I'm not sure if I should be angry but it annoyed me. That isn't meant to happen right? or am I mistaken.
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You need to tell him he’s a dickhead.
 
Hancock weaselled out of that final question on the NHS and immigration. Should have reminded him of this tweet:

 
Dante said:
Exactly. Another crowded, international city with cramped public transport.

Just like London and New York, people travel in and out of the city frequently. Which makes contact tracing much more difficult than you'd find in smaller countries without major business hubs.

Germany's population/economy doesn't revolve around a single major city in the same way. Their epidemic developed along a different path, meaning they could control it in a different way.
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An other stat that I can't fathom is that they currently have 13000 Covid-19 hospitalisation, that's 41% of France's total.
 
A new disease can come from not only China. It can come from anywhere. Like for example :

Zombie deer disease
Variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (vCJD)
Susceptibility of Human Prion Protein to Conversion by Chronic Wasting Disease Prions

I would not like my brain to become swiss cheese. But the fact is, we are getting closer and closer to humans contracting and spreading such an infectious disease.
When this is all over I hope all these diseases are taken seriously. We are messing with mother nature in so many ways that it is getting really creepy to think what the future will be like.

When it comes to the blame game, I stay away from that, but I hope for a stronger Europe to stay safe from the influence from China, Us, Russia. But the EU is not in good shape to be honest so I doubt it will ever happen.
 
Lay said:
A work colleague is going to his girlfriends place every so often whilst living at home. I'm not sure if I should be angry but it annoyed me. That isn't meant to happen right? or am I mistaken.
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Of course not. Your work colleague is an absolute dumb prick.
 
Fener1907 said:
How so?
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Climbing rapidly. 60k infected already and without knowing the numbers, I don't think they did more tests than any of the biggest european countries. Istanbul is a highly dense city also and I don't know which is his health care system but not at the same level than Spain, Italy, France and UK

Also, they have almost 4 millions of syrian refugees that I doubt they have much access to economic and health care system.

ON the other hand they have a respirators and textile manufacturers ans Istambul is probably one of the hottest and more humid areas that I had been in summer, and some studies says it reduces the spread
 
Brwned said:
What do you think is a better indicator of public opinion? It's not like they asked a few hundred folks at a particular point in time. They surveyed 2,000 people every day this month and got the same result every time, across every demographic.
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It's irrelevant if the government ends up being hellbent on relaxing restrictions early and reports are suggesting the cabinet is split on that, so who knows?
 
4bars said:
Climbing rapidly. 60k infected already and without knowing the numbers, I don't think they did more tests than any of the biggest european countries. Istanbul is a highly dense city also and I don't know which is his health care system but not at the same level than Spain, Italy, France and UK

Also, they have almost 4 millions of syrian refugees that I doubt they have much access to economic and health care system.

ON the other hand they have a respirators and textile manufacturers ans Istambul is probably one of the hottest and more humid areas that I had been in summer, and some studies says it reduces the spread
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Deaths are hovering around a hundred per day. Not ideal but, considering the number infected, it's not exactly an alarming mortality rate. In terms of tests, it's done more than countries such as Spain, France and the UK, nations with notably higher mortality rates.

Syrians receive regular money and have access to free healthcare here, so your doubts aren't correct on that one. In fact, if they arrive at a hospital, they're to be seen before anybody else. That would have people frothing at the mouth elsewhere but they're treated pretty well. I don't know why people imagine they're just left to wander around and have no means to support themselves.

All in all, a lot of work to be done, and a population of 80 million will inevitably experience more deaths, but the health service and general public are doing a decent enough job so far.
 
Dante said:
Exactly. Another crowded, international city with cramped public transport.

Just like London and New York, people travel in and out of the city frequently. Which makes contact tracing much more difficult than you'd find in smaller countries without major business hubs.

Germany's population/economy doesn't revolve around a single major city in the same way. Their epidemic developed along a different path, meaning they could control it in a different way.
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Berlin still has 3mil inhabitants, that's obviously not London or New York levels of density, but it's still a lot of people, despite that they "only" have 50 deaths are on record. Other big cities posted similar numbers thus far (Hamburg 56 deaths, Cologne 44 deaths, Munich 35 deaths). I'm not sure you can just put everything down to big cities.
The handling of the outbreaks seems just as logical a factor to me. E.g. the UK iirc being (among) the last big Euopean countries to shut down, or Cheltenham being allowed to go on, while almost all other events either banned crowds or cancelled entirely. I also read that London's public transport went to a Saturday schedule relatively early and afterwards I saw a London nurse complain on Twitter (obviously this is anecdotally) that she had to get to work via packed subway trains.
 
I live next door to a guy that’s plumber. He’s still in and out of peoples houses fixing essential things like boilers etc and his other half is a midwife in a hospital. She has two boys living with them and he has a son that stays a few nights a week usually.

At the moment the lad is staying with his Dad every 2-3 day and then returning to his Mum.

I feel very sorry for couples with children that are separated, but allowing a child to go from one household to another is ridiculous imo.

Surely the chance of contagion is much higher with a child going from one household to another so frequently.
 
Garethw said:
I feel very sorry for couples with children that are separated, but allowing a child to go from one household to another is ridiculous
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I agree. Me and my Mrs both have children from our previous marriages that we have 50/50!with our exes and have down for over 10 years. We decided straight away to leave them where they are. We’ve not seen them now since the week before lockdown.

It’s very hard and we miss them but it’s a no brainier to us. They could either come here with the virus or leave here with it.
 
Fener1907 said:
Deaths are hovering around a hundred per day. Not ideal but, considering the number infected, it's not exactly an alarming mortality rate. In terms of tests, it's done more than countries such as Spain, France and the UK, nations with notably higher mortality rates.

Syrians receive regular money and have access to free healthcare here, so your doubts aren't correct on that one. In fact, if they arrive at a hospital, they're to be seen before anybody else. That would have people frothing at the mouth elsewhere but they're treated pretty well. I don't know why people imagine they're just left to wander around and have no means to support themselves.

All in all, a lot of work to be done, and a population of 80 million will inevitably experience more deaths, but the health service and general public are doing a decent enough job so far.
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Glad to hear that. Of course that was made in assumptions but specially on the raising numbers specially

On one of the assumptions, trying to make it more real, Turkey only slightly above than France

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109066/coronavirus-testing-in-europe-by-country/

On the refugees, of course they are not wandering, but they will have more struggles than a regular turkish to have access to everything. Also, and that is another assumption, probably they live more people together as a family in a household than the average turkish

And I am sure turkey is doing as good as anyone else, but this didn't guarantee other countries having the disaster that they are living.

When I am saying that is looking worrisome is because of what you said. Is a country with 80 million, Istambul 16 millions in some places probably not as dense as Barcelona (the most dense in europe) and Madrid but quite packed in some areas as any medieval historical city centre in europe. and the infected numbers will surpass Iran and China next week and will be tailing UK
 
@Classical Mechanic This was just confirmed on Belgian news. Comparison between Belgium and the Netherlands

Current deaths
BE: 3600
NL: 2740

IF both countries would have the same way of registring COVID-19 deaths:

BE: 1900
NL: 2740

So we really should stop comparing between countries, it's impossible. The curve in my country has flattened, that's the most important thing. Less people on ICU, less people in hospitals and less daily new cases.
 
Recently had an argument with some absoulte spanner on reddit, kept trying to paint me as a Trump supporter because I agreed with lockdowns.. His last message, making up so much horseshite, I guess this guys a far lefty.. the Italian stuff made me laugh..Got a little heated as I've lost someone recently wasn't close to them but they were found dead in their apartment found out from a news story.

"This is what confuses me. You hate Trump, you hate Boris, but you want them to run your life for you. You say they're evil and racist, but you want them to tell you where to go and when to go there. You say Trump and Boris are incompetent leaders that shouldn't be allowed to lead, but you want to give them more and more power.
Italy has 400 ventilators in the entire country, and none of them were up north where the old people lived in remote villages without access to modern hospitals. Seems a little disingenuous to compare their health outcomes to those of the US.
China is a third world country. All of their hospitals are temporary, so, yea, that does sound like a bad flu season in China."
 
onemanarmy said:
@Classical Mechanic This was just confirmed on Belgian news. Comparison between Belgium and the Netherlands

Current deaths
BE: 3600
NL: 2740

IF both countries would have the same way of registring COVID-19 deaths:

BE: 1900
NL: 2740

So we really should stop comparing between countries, it's impossible. The curve in my country has flattened, that's the most important thing. Less people on ICU, less people in hospitals and less daily new cases.
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I read recently a delay for a recent daily announcement in Belgium was due to the care home deaths calculation being late or something and was surprised to read they include it, I guess that is correct then and does shed light on the high numbers per head in Belgium?
 
Stactix said:
Recently had an argument with some absoulte spanner on reddit, kept trying to paint me as a Trump supporter because I agreed with lockdowns.. His last message, making up so much horseshite, I guess this guys a far lefty.. the Italian stuff made me laugh..Got a little heated as I've lost someone recently wasn't close to them but they were found dead in their apartment found out from a news story.

"This is what confuses me. You hate Trump, you hate Boris, but you want them to run your life for you. You say they're evil and racist, but you want them to tell you where to go and when to go there. You say Trump and Boris are incompetent leaders that shouldn't be allowed to lead, but you want to give them more and more power.
Italy has 400 ventilators in the entire country, and none of them were up north where the old people lived in remote villages without access to modern hospitals. Seems a little disingenuous to compare their health outcomes to those of the US.
China is a third world country. All of their hospitals are temporary, so, yea, that does sound like a bad flu season in China."
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Who told you/him that?
 
Grinner said:
Where are you getting that from?
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I've deleted it. I was being a grumpy idiot. Hate people posting scare-mongering, attention-seeking shit like that so you have to ask them about it.
 
JPRouve said:
Who told you that?
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Some spanner on reddit quoted bit is his last message.. Seems to be a butthurt he can't go to the playarea I guess?
Just goes to show some people are still in complete delusions..
 
Stactix said:
Some spanner on reddit quoted bit is his last message.. Seems to be a butthurt he can't go to the playarea I guess?
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I think that is just an idiot, I was so confused by the part that I bolded that I missed the last sentence. Do people actually think that China is a "third world country"? China is closer to the US than any other country with a mix of extremely developed regions like Wuhan and some properly rural/wild areas, the north west of the country being an example.
 
JPRouve said:
I think that is just an idiot, I was so confused by the part that I bolded that I missed the last sentence. Do people actually think that China is a "third world country"? China is closer to the US than any other country with a mix of extremely developed regions like Wuhan and some properly rural/wild areas, the north west of the country being an example.
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Reddit is full of morons.
 
redshaw said:
I read recently a delay for a recent daily announcement in Belgium was due to the care home deaths calculation being late or something and was surprised to read they include it, I guess that is correct then and does shed light on the high numbers per head in Belgium?
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Unfortunatly, 73% of all deaths appear in nursing/care homes at the moment in Belgium. So when these are included, and in other countries not, you get a very distorted picture.
 
Some really positive numbers from Europe with the exception of the UK. It seems we’re finally starting to see the effect of the lockdown.

Turkey looks like it’ll be a new epicentre soon enough.
 
SAred said:
Here in South Africa before the virus put us on a 3-week lockdown which has since been increased by another 2 weeks we already were in a recession, compounded with being dropped into Junk status. Our unemployment rate was around 30% and a lot of people depend on day to day jobs to survive. People dig through our dustbins to get the plastic bottles so they can survive. The economic issues that most 1st world countries have thrown money cannot be done over here people over here face the very real threat of starving to death. Already made me chuckle people priorities 4 bottle stores have been looted because of the ban of smokes and booze sales. If this lockdown continues longer than the 5 weeks I really can see social unrest starting to rear its ugly head. Already my son's nursery school teacher has lost her job not 2 weeks into lockdown. Crazy times.
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Here north of the Limpopo we are staring down the barrel of a gun, literally. The government doesn't really and even if it did they have very limited scope to intervene due to decades of economic mismanagement and a debilitating political impasse.

The response by the government has been nothing short of pathetic, we have tested just 540 odd people for the 14 positive cases we have. A lockdown was declared but with little accompanying social security measures for the vulnerable.

Years of drought and decline in agriculture due to the land grabs have led to massive food shortages. This makes social distancing impossible because mealie meal is in short supply so people have to queue for hours for it.

Unemployment is over 90% so people live from hand to mouth with little to no savings. This means that when the lockdown was declared a couple of weeks back the poor couldn't afford to stock up on food and other supplies. Now they aren't earning any money at all but they can't really afford to stay home and starve to death.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsday.co.zw/2020/04/covid-19-govt-bungling-exposed/amp/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th.../05/covid-19-struck-family-speaks-ordeal/amp/

The public health system has been run down by decades of unbridled looting and corruption whilst there is a general mistrust between the government and the medics. The conditions for a perfect storm are all there in Zimbabwe with about 12% of the population living with HIV whilst a sizable has hypertension, diabetes (my sister and I included) etc.

State failure and Coronavirus could tip Zimbabwe over the edge.
 
4bars said:
Glad to hear that. Of course that was made in assumptions but specially on the raising numbers specially

On one of the assumptions, trying to make it more real, Turkey only slightly above than France

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109066/coronavirus-testing-in-europe-by-country/

On the refugees, of course they are not wandering, but they will have more struggles than a regular turkish to have access to everything. Also, and that is another assumption, probably they live more people together as a family in a household than the average turkish

And I am sure turkey is doing as good as anyone else, but this didn't guarantee other countries having the disaster that they are living.

When I am saying that is looking worrisome is because of what you said. Is a country with 80 million, Istambul 16 millions in some places probably not as dense as Barcelona (the most dense in europe) and Madrid but quite packed in some areas as any medieval historical city centre in europe. and the infected numbers will surpass Iran and China next week and will be tailing UK
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Honestly, Syrians are good as long as they register. They have access to anything they could possibly need right now i.e. money and free healthcare.

As I said another time, it's the mortality rate I keep an eye on. If a high infection rate isn't turning into a high mortality rate, I don't see much to worry about, although Istanbul is definitely worth keeping an eye on. Outside of that, not much to say. The big cities are locked down and nobody's getting in or out.
 
Penna said:
And new cases at 4092, 602 down from yesterday.
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Most of the countries seem to be doing well today (though it might be a case of under-reporting cause of Easter, and the day is still young in some places). The US, the UK, Spain, France, Germany, Italy have all quite fewer deaths than yesterday. In the US, the number might still increase, but it looks good. To be fair, most of these countries were reporting less hospitalizations so while the number of deaths was going to increase, it was just a matter of time when it starts decreasing.

I think if we maintain lockdowns for another 4-6 weeks, the number of infected people is going to reach some manageable level. And then it starts the second phase (and IMO, the hardest phase) of trying to control the infections while we starts re-opening the economy.
 
Walrus said:
My cousin is a doctor in London, last week he was moved off of his previous research onto a COVID-19 ward. Very first day on the ward he wasnt given PPE, and today has tested positive for it after developing mild symptoms. Shambles.
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It's a national disgrace that people are dying because they are not given adequate PPE.
 
Cardboard elk said:
A new disease can come from not only China. It can come from anywhere. Like for example :

Zombie deer disease
Variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (vCJD)
Susceptibility of Human Prion Protein to Conversion by Chronic Wasting Disease Prions

I would not like my brain to become swiss cheese. But the fact is, we are getting closer and closer to humans contracting and spreading such an infectious disease.
When this is all over I hope all these diseases are taken seriously. We are messing with mother nature in so many ways that it is getting really creepy to think what the future will be like.

When it comes to the blame game, I stay away from that, but I hope for a stronger Europe to stay safe from the influence from China, Us, Russia. But the EU is not in good shape to be honest so I doubt it will ever happen.
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Michael Osterholm, one of the guys that predicted this current crisis said on Joe Rogan that we have to keep an eye on this Zombie Deer Disease. He was predicting that it would cross over. No cure as well.
 
Stactix said:
Recently had an argument with some absoulte spanner on reddit, kept trying to paint me as a Trump supporter because I agreed with lockdowns.. His last message, making up so much horseshite, I guess this guys a far lefty.. the Italian stuff made me laugh..Got a little heated as I've lost someone recently wasn't close to them but they were found dead in their apartment found out from a news story.

"This is what confuses me. You hate Trump, you hate Boris, but you want them to run your life for you. You say they're evil and racist, but you want them to tell you where to go and when to go there. You say Trump and Boris are incompetent leaders that shouldn't be allowed to lead, but you want to give them more and more power.
Italy has 400 ventilators in the entire country, and none of them were up north where the old people lived in remote villages without access to modern hospitals. Seems a little disingenuous to compare their health outcomes to those of the US.
China is a third world country. All of their hospitals are temporary, so, yea, that does sound like a bad flu season in China."
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Milan is of course a remote village. Bit like Toad Suck, Arkansas.
 
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