I'm generally just underwhelming.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Thanks, useful.
So apart from the facts, the article was fine?
Good luck, hope it works out, every country needs to share/learn?
You one of them pigeons with one manky claw?
Claws are a distant memory, my friend. I've found some replacement corks though that seen to do the trick.
So you do think you’re a pigeon! Ha!
You're showing your prejudices here. Poor people are not the reason this disease has spread. It's not poor people who are driving to their holiday homes on the coast for the bank holiday weekend, it's not poor people who were cramming the national parks a couple of weeks ago and it wasn't poor people who were popping over to Italy even as reports were coming in about the virus there. This disease has been spread by affluent holidaymakers and business-travellers but less well off people will bear the brunt. Poor people are now in the firing line because they're more likely to work in key industries where social distancing is difficult to maintain, more likely to cohabit with other key workers in accomadation where distancing is impossible and more likely to have extended family who are relying on them for support right now.
Have a word with yourself.
Thanks, useful.
So apart from the facts, the article was fine?
Good luck, hope it works out, every country needs to share/learn?
haha, yeah exactly.
Definitely, and surely the biggest lesson of all? Close off a country when an outbreak starts, don't open again until it's under control. The majority of the World's experts sat idly by assuming "it'll be like SARS and go away".
Some people think I just big up Sweden here, but that isn't the case, Sweden has some glaring issues and will learn a hell of a lot from this.
Staying 2m apart and washing your hands doesn't make you safe. Those measures simply reduce the chance of infection.
Just reading about deaths in Italy amongst the medical and other health professions - there have been 97 doctors who have died (43 of those were GPs), 10 dentists, 28 nurses and 6 pharmacists. Terrible numbers and particularly sad when a doctor has come out of retirement to help out.
Surprised that if the Government had made some huge mistake, other papers (depending on political slant) like say the Guardian, don't run it too?
I had seen that too. So not many people actually working on the front line in the hospitals are catching it. It's mostly in other places where precautions might not be taken as seriously, or they caught it outside work.
I thought we had all learned by now it doesn't matter one jot whether you are rich or poor. It's not a class specific virus, it is being spread by all, but primarily by families and close friends in group gatherings, no matter what their income status. Travelling, events, supermarket trips etc. are all minor sources of transmission.
I think GPs are particularly at risk - you never know who's going to just turn up in your surgery.
It spreads to all - but the risk to die from it or get into serious conditions that later on impact you more - is higher for the poorer people.
Minorities are disproportionately represented in the death figures in the UK. Think they account 30% of deaths when they make up 13% of the population. Could be due to cramped living conditions and multi-generational living arrangements common in Asian communities in particular. A lot of the medical professionals that have died in the UK seem to have been Asian too.
I don't see any proof of that so far. Certainly not in Europe. Maybe when countries with lower quality health infrastructures start to run out of available places or prioritise according to who pays more.
It is partly because of things like prevalence of type 2 diabetes in Asian and Black communities which is comfortably the most common comorbidity for Covid-19. Socio-economic factors may have an influence on who gets that in the first place, but studies have shown those groups are more susceptible to type 2 even with all else being equal. There is nothing I have seen that proves poor people are more at risk simply because they are poor. You certainly would not class Asian medics in the UK as being poor.
It's similar to men being more susceptible. Is it because men are really more susceptible, or is it because men are more likely to smoke and be overweight?
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Singapore Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong's address on Covid-19 situation, April 10
I've been trying to summarize these myself but saw this and it's waaaaaay better. I'll try to keep track of his tweets and update this post.
The Asian medic thing is only from my own casual observation and 40% of the NHS are minorities anyway. I think cramped living conditions more common among the poor will result in a higher risk factor though.
Swedens strategy of letting society get on with their normal day while trying to protect elderly, and generally those at risk, hasn't been much of a success when you look at the amount of elderly that are now infected.
Good post. I hope the swedes and others are able up look back and learn and educate others as to what they did good and where they failed, more transparently than others.
And yeah new cases or total number of cases is of minimal significance. What's important is how many are hospitalized, how many in intensive care and how many are dying.
You should probably tone that down to Stockholm in fairness if you wanna go that road again. Gothenburg, similar size to your biggest City and also had half term earlier than Stockholm (as did Oslo), is doing alright like.
Only a very small minority of risk groups in Stockholm had got infected, but as I've said several times today, we've done a dog shit job at protecting nursing homes, 121 in Stockholm alone have cases. Insane numbers.
You realise it's not going from Norway right? So when you open up again, it's a long road for us all, despite the brilliant brilliant job Norway have done so far.
We really need to get these antibody tests on stream. Looking forward to Sweden's early results i think they have took a very good approach for their circumstance and think in the long run will fair better if this virus is set to withstand summer. Many studies show a huge increase in death/poverty for each % increase in unemployment, something a lot of countries are going to face going forward.
When it became clear this was a pandemic in China (mid January), relevant UK leaders should have pressed button to increase PPE by whatever means necessary. UK was able to convert a conference centre into a world class medical facility in 9 days ... they could easily have created their own PPE manufacturing capacity inside UK within a month, or instructed UK garment private sector to produce (aided by an army of sewing machine users at home, something my mum used to do that for additional income when we were very young).
If the pandemic did not reach UK, then would only have been stuck with excess PPE, which could be used over the future, or resold back into international market. Relatively speaking it was pocket change for Government spending.
Instead, the desire to increase PPE stocks only happened in March. And UK is having to buy that from international market at massively inflated costs, and reliant on countries like Turkey for good will donations.
Dr. el-Khidir says his cousin, the deceased Dr. el-Tayar might have lived had the health service ... sooner supplied doctors with better protective gear:
“In our morbidity analyses, we go through each and every case and ask, ‘Was it preventable? Was it avoidable? I’m trying to answer this question with my cousin now. Even with all the difficulties, I’ve got to say the answer has to be yes.”
Recently deceased Dr Abdul Chowdhury wrote a facebook message to PM Johnson just 3 weeks ago pleading for more PPE.
Those 'lost 6 weeks' has endangered so many NHS and key workers (ditto USA), and is a key reason why some died, and many others infected. The 'leaders' who failed to make those timely decisions should be held accountable for tha negligence.
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Plus all the people who got it before containment who are becoming symptomatic only now, or close contacts of assymptomatic carriers (family etc).
Updated graph of deaths in England by day of death. 765 new deaths as of 5pm yesterday, down from 828 the day before:
Updated graph of deaths in England by day of death. 866 new deaths as of 5pm yesterday +101 from the day before. Orange is a 5 day trailing average (last 5-7 days will see large to moderate upward changes).
We can already have the IgG/IgM test in our hospital, but it will take a bit before we start using it. We've yet to have a recovered case here.
Cluj Airport yesterday (first photo) and today (second photo). Romanians travelling to Germany for asparagus season. 
So, South Africa.
Welcome to life inside the most stringent lockdown on the planet. We can't leave our homes unless it is to go to the pharmacy or the shop. Nothing unprecedented here. Once at the shop we can only buy essential items. So, one cannot buy screws, nails, ant poison, chlorine for swimming pools, etc. OK, things are getting weirder. Kids can't buy headsets to attend online classes. No tech is available to buy anywhere.
Cigarettes and alcohol are not essentials. We cannot buy these. Mmmm... Getting a little absurd now.
We cannot go for a jog or to the beach. We cannot walk our dogs. Crazy. Crazy. There are three known cases in this 300 square mile region of the country. But no. We cannot leave our houses.
Last night our president extended our lockdown (which was due to end in a week) to the end of the month. People have no alcohol left. They are angry. After the announcement four liquor stores were looted in the area. Shops that sell ciggs are being closed down and owners are forced to pay disproportionate fines. We are going all out in our fight against this virus. Never mind this huge surge in domestic violence.
And most feel pretty good that we're "beating" this virus and that this lockdown is "working". Before the lockdown our cases climbed daily by 45%. From day ONE of this lockdown, the cases have been climbing 4%.
This local strain of COVID-19 clearly has no incubation period. And everyone is lapping this up.
Who are we fooling? Feck. I need a drink.
Welcome to life inside the most stringent lockdown on the planet. We can't leave our homes unless it is to go to the pharmacy or the shop. Nothing unprecedented here. Once at the shop we can only buy essential items. So, one cannot buy screws, nails, ant poison, chlorine for swimming pools, etc. OK, things are getting weirder. Kids can't buy headsets to attend online classes. No tech is available to buy anywhere.
Cigarettes and alcohol are not essentials. We cannot buy these. Mmmm... Getting a little absurd now.
We cannot go for a jog or to the beach. We cannot walk our dogs. Crazy. Crazy. There are three known cases in this 300 square mile region of the country. But no. We cannot leave our houses.
Last night our president extended our lockdown (which was due to end in a week) to the end of the month. People have no alcohol left. They are angry. After the announcement four liquor stores were looted in the area. Shops that sell ciggs are being closed down and owners are forced to pay disproportionate fines. We are going all out in our fight against this virus. Never mind this huge surge in domestic violence.
And most feel pretty good that we're "beating" this virus and that this lockdown is "working". Before the lockdown our cases climbed daily by 45%. From day ONE of this lockdown, the cases have been climbing 4%.
This local strain of COVID-19 clearly has no incubation period. And everyone is lapping this up.
Who are we fooling? Feck. I need a drink.
Forget Africa. Indonesia, Cambodia, Thailand, hell I suppose most countries majorities would work on week to week paycheck. How many of you can honestly say you have a 3 months savings? I don't even think developed nations are ready for anything beyond 1 month lock down if we want to be brutally honest.
I really can't help but pity the government. It's a tough choice they're making, even if they have the cash to burn a total lockdown will be a food logistic nightmare
I know I shouldn't laugh but I think those figures are being 'slightly massaged'.
Thinking of you but I've overturned my great dryuary low alcohol February with a shocking April shower of booze. I've also.put on 5lbs....
My friend works in food production so obviously a key worker and cant work from home. He said that social distancing is impossible at work. This will be repeated many times over.
It's like the bullshit site health and safety put out about building sites.
I went to a shop site last week, and a tiny 6m x 6m stockroom had 5 people working in it. You simply can't stop it all.
https://www.thelocal.at/20200410/coronavirus-cases-in-austria-are-twice-the-reported-numbers/amp
0.32% of Austrians infected in first week of April. If the test is similar to Stockholm, it would mean 1-2% has had it or currently have it. But maybe UK has 50% infected already
0.32% of Austrians infected in first week of April. If the test is similar to Stockholm, it would mean 1-2% has had it or currently have it. But maybe UK has 50% infected already
I left my flat for a walk for the first time since last Friday (on my own, whilst social distancing).
Everywhere is so much quieter than only last week. But the few people I did see were all keeping apart and seemed to be observing the rules.
Also, I saw this banner put up outside the Manchester Royal Infirmary.
Everywhere is so much quieter than only last week. But the few people I did see were all keeping apart and seemed to be observing the rules.
Also, I saw this banner put up outside the Manchester Royal Infirmary.
That would actually be a story though (although the paywall won’t allow me to find out). The Guardian didn’t cover any of that last night and entirely focussed on him nipping over to provide supplies for his parents.
The second homes issue is tricky in a lot of cases because a lot of second homes are used for business and are essentially workplaces, as opposed to leisure. I’d fully expect many people leading the country currently to be splitting time between their home area and a location closer to Westminster. This is different to the Scottish Chief Medical Officer who was clearly visiting her second home for leisure purposes and no business.
We currently have thousands of NHS, social
care and other staff who are not living at their ordinary home address to be able to do their job too.
Must admit I do love the wall of asparagus in German shops at this time of year.Cluj Airport yesterday (first photo) and today (second photo). Romanians travelling to Germany for asparagus season.
Another reminder of policing being just another profession filled with individuals getting drunk on the slightest taste of power.
Goodness me.
The Home Secretary needs to come out ASAP and publicly tell the police what they can and can't do. Absolutely terrifying that we have Police officers who don't understand the concept of private property.
I fear that every citizen is going to have to educated themselves of their rights and how to submit complaints to the IPCC.