Shambolic story. That is absolutely a good reason to go out, distance is irrelevant in that instance.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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And the Daily Mail haven't? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-52239171
I wonder how far you have to delve into the Mail, and all the other right-wing rags, to read about that poor doctor?
Are you serious? how they can be that thick and heartless? they are literaly risking their lives!! is the board cutting their salaries?
My elderly relatives have been forced into isolation and the people next door on both sides have offered to take round shopping for them whenever they need it. I've also had at least three letters through the door from people down my road offering help to whoever needs it; people are doing a pretty good job of helping out each other, even if they don't know them well in my experience. People want to feel useful right now.
I'd argue that feeling a bit uncomfortable about asking a neighbour doesn't really make it necessary that people drive long (ok 30 miles isn't long but it's longer than 30 metres) distances to help. Which is worth bearing in mind, at least, because if we end up copying aspects of other countries' lockdowns if ours isn't working as hoped then those journeys will be banned anyway, so worth having a back up.
Seems Sweden going it alone and aiming for herd immunity approach.... be interesting to see where they are stats-wise in two weeks.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlie...down-sweden-sees-rise-in-deaths/#7586eac63dfe ...
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlie...down-sweden-sees-rise-in-deaths/#7586eac63dfe ...
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
Say hi to capitalism
This crisis should mark the end of capitalism as we know it.
Very unlikely to happen though.
Even in this moments should think twice on applying capitalism there. It makes no sense on any human decency scale
One of my swedish friends on FB posted a chart that Sweden is following a delayed Italy steps. Hope he is wrong
Just came upon this news
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...surance-policy-payout-141-million/5123987002/
For each of the past 17 years, the All-England Lawn Tennis Club has paid for an insurance policy to guard against losses if Wimbledon should have to be canceled in the event of a worldwide pandemic.
That preparation will finally pay off this year. According to a report by the Action Network, the insurance will result in a payment worth $141 million -- or nearly half the amount that the club expects to lose as a result of the cancellation.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...surance-policy-payout-141-million/5123987002/
For each of the past 17 years, the All-England Lawn Tennis Club has paid for an insurance policy to guard against losses if Wimbledon should have to be canceled in the event of a worldwide pandemic.
That preparation will finally pay off this year. According to a report by the Action Network, the insurance will result in a payment worth $141 million -- or nearly half the amount that the club expects to lose as a result of the cancellation.
Yeah, when the Sunday Sport take the piss, you should consider deleting it and stop with the pathetic politicising shit.
As opposed to when Kinnock visits his parents and the Guardian says that's within the rules and police targeted him. Such a shite paper.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...k-targeted-by-police-for-visiting-father-neil
This is the cover of Azores biggest newspaper tomorrow's edition.
The lady in blue is the nurse coordinating my team, a brilliant woman who has dedicated 16 hours per day to this fight for the past 4 weeks. The only way we can make her get some rest every now and then is by organizing ourselves and deliberately ignoring her on her off days so that she gives up and goes home a bit earlier.
She is sitting on my chair, that yellow bottle is mine. She sat there because I refused to be photographed when the reporter came in, and an empty chair would look ugly in the picture.
The reason I refused to be photographed is because we had just been given those masks two minutes before and told to put them on. When we saw them coming we were happy, as we have been demanding them for days. To our dismay, we were told we would get one each and that we should take care of it because it would have to last one or two weeks. They're designed to be discarded at least every three hours, sooner if they become damp.
When I saw the reporter coming in, I immediately left in protest, and stood at the door laughing at the situation.
When you talk about propaganda and cover-up in China, think about this. It happens everywhere. You're just oblivious to the one around you.
I'm not being braver than my colleagues by standing up. It's just that they are employees with bosses, whose bosses are the government. I'm a volunteer, so I do what I want, and my colleagues thanked me for embarrassing their bosses and the newspaper.
The lady in blue is the nurse coordinating my team, a brilliant woman who has dedicated 16 hours per day to this fight for the past 4 weeks. The only way we can make her get some rest every now and then is by organizing ourselves and deliberately ignoring her on her off days so that she gives up and goes home a bit earlier.
She is sitting on my chair, that yellow bottle is mine. She sat there because I refused to be photographed when the reporter came in, and an empty chair would look ugly in the picture.
The reason I refused to be photographed is because we had just been given those masks two minutes before and told to put them on. When we saw them coming we were happy, as we have been demanding them for days. To our dismay, we were told we would get one each and that we should take care of it because it would have to last one or two weeks. They're designed to be discarded at least every three hours, sooner if they become damp.
When I saw the reporter coming in, I immediately left in protest, and stood at the door laughing at the situation.
When you talk about propaganda and cover-up in China, think about this. It happens everywhere. You're just oblivious to the one around you.
I'm not being braver than my colleagues by standing up. It's just that they are employees with bosses, whose bosses are the government. I'm a volunteer, so I do what I want, and my colleagues thanked me for embarrassing their bosses and the newspaper.
Yes they’re cutting their salaries as well
The infra-red ones are useless. I have been measured at 32.4, 34.2 degrees very often on my forehead at public locations. Never once at my actual temperature which is 35.4 or 35.6 degrees.
Either that my life is one giant matrix movie and I am actually an imaginative fish or I have the Reverse Covid and actually getting lower temperatures from the infection.
Looks like The Torygraph is embarrasing themselves by publishing ministerial hypocricy as well.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.te...ert-jenrick-drove-40-miles-visit-parents/amp/
@Arruda
Couldn't agree more. It is the same every fecking where. Can't fecking provide ppe but come out with this kind of nonsense.
I haven't posted it anywhere before but this is what I feel. Give me fecking ppe, I am more than fine working 16hrs a day. I don't even need extra money or clapping or shouting we are heroes or any of that. Just give me fecking PPE. I will clarify that where I work I have enough right now. But so many people don't. And that is a disgrace and a colossal failure here in USA but pretty much everywhere.
Couldn't agree more. It is the same every fecking where. Can't fecking provide ppe but come out with this kind of nonsense.
I haven't posted it anywhere before but this is what I feel. Give me fecking ppe, I am more than fine working 16hrs a day. I don't even need extra money or clapping or shouting we are heroes or any of that. Just give me fecking PPE. I will clarify that where I work I have enough right now. But so many people don't. And that is a disgrace and a colossal failure here in USA but pretty much everywhere.
Phuket counts on tourism for 90% of its income; Nov- March is peak season so a disaster this year. Covid19 deaths started in early March, and they have only recorded 4 deaths so far. When I left late March, they checked my temperature 3 times at airport before I could get on plane. They closed all restaurants, bars, gyms entertainment venues before Boris instructed UK, banned any stranded tourists and locals from beach, all people have to wear masks, and endure nightime curfew enforced by their military. Any new incoming tourist has to have uninfected covid19 certification and $100k covid19 health insurance.
Thats total shut down, destroying their entire economy, to save lives of their people, many of whom are poor tourism personnel, traders or rural farmers. And their people are following rules just fine. If they don’t, military rough them up.
China, Singapore, Taiwan, India Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, South Korea etc all require their returning citizens to undertake quarantine. Also none of these countries have better 'lockdown' benefits than what UK Government has offered.
The UK 'LockDown guidelines’ of self isolation, quarantine, physical distancing are comparatively shambolic. when I got back from Phuket I was stunned I wasn't required to go into 7 or 14 days quarantine and could adopt 'stay Home' guidelines like everyone else 'until symptoms' (I competed my 14 days yesterday). People are still returning to UK airports with zero health checks or clear quarantine instructions.
Even these 'stay home unless key worker, shopping or exercise’ are so vague and abusable. There is too much wiggle room which is why it cant be strictly enforced and why there are so many 'transgressions'. Even by ministers like above (I think he was within the limits, albeit stupidly defined limits).
Not surprising that Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) at the University of Washington’s School of Medicine said UK could become the worst-hit country in Europe with up to 66,000 deaths.
This easter weekend is going to be a total clusterfcuk. Was weird and embarrassing to watch Raab essentially beg UK public to adhere to his Easter 'Stay at Home' request. I don't understand why Government doesn't clearly specify much tighter regulations and empower the army to strictly enforce them. A few will moan on social media (eg @Fiskey about civil liberties and 1984): let them, it's just digital hot air, instead of their infected virus laden breathe polluting the lungs of innocents.
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*ApplaudsThis is the cover of Azores biggest newspaper tomorrow's edition.
The lady in blue is the nurse coordinating my team, a brilliant woman who has dedicated 16 hours per day to this fight for the past 4 weeks. The only way we can make her get some rest every now and then is by organizing ourselves and deliberately ignoring her on her off days so that she gives up and goes home a bit earlier.
She is sitting on my chair, that yellow bottle is mine. She sat there because I refused to be photographed when the reporter came in, and an empty chair would look ugly in the picture.
The reason I refused to be photographed is because we had just been given those masks two minutes before and told to put them on. When we saw them coming we were happy, as we have been demanding them for days. To our dismay, we were told we would get one each and that we should take care of it because it would have to last one or two weeks. They're designed to be discarded at least every three hours, sooner if they become damp.
When I saw the reporter coming in, I immediately left in protest, and stood at the door laughing at the situation.
When you talk about propaganda and cover-up in China, think about this. It happens everywhere. You're just oblivious to the one around you.
I'm not being braver than my colleagues by standing up. It's just that they are employees with bosses, whose bosses are the government. I'm a volunteer, so I do what I want, and my colleagues thanked me for embarrassing their bosses and the newspaper.
Am a Labour voter and cant stand BJ's version of toryism, but even I think this reports are ridiculously misleading and desperate clickbait. But now also coming from all the elite media too. MSM is desperate for ad revenues and on verge of financial collapse, so 'clickbait' every article.
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The lack of PPE in Europe and USA is the most brazenly incompetent fcuk up by Western Governments and bureaucrats.
When this thing is over, people should be jailed for manslaughter for those mistakes.
@Arruda Kudos to you for your rightful protest.
Seems like there is zero institutional memory. Its not like virus epidemics are once in a generation event.
Funny considering that whole shitshow has originated from a communist country.
Why would a minister doing exactly what he was telling everyone else not to do not be newsworthy? Hardly clickbait. Closer to a resigning matter.
Arruda's sweet lemonade.
Well done that man.
Well done that man.
Meh...doesn´t satisfy me
As an outsider, you really cant expect anyone not to go outside everyonce in a while. We're not talking about walking the dog or a walk in the park. It's caring for his old parents. Plausible.
I'm on my 4 weeks stay at home. But my wife still goes once a week to check on her widowed mother. Get in the car drive there asap and drop supplies. We still do grocery shopping once a week. Does it means we didnt follow quarantine rules? There's always gray areas.
40 miles to see his parents just maybe but then moving his family 150 miles to his second home is inexcusable.
Just typical Tory elitism. Don't do what I do. Do what I say. And whatever happened to leading by example?
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He’s wrong @4bars, there’s no chance of Sweden going the Italy route. Curve has absolutely flattened out in Stockholm. Now it’s moving onto Gothenburg.
https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa
https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/y3rdeA/coronaviruset-har-ar-de-senaste-siffrorna
https://www.svt.se/datajournalistik/corona-i-intensivvarden/
ICU entries per day has been stable for weeks now. There are 471 people in ICU right now and just 203 in Stockholm ICU, and we've already increased the ICU capacity in Sweden with 80% since the outbreak and that figure is growing daily.
Health ministry extremely happy, and even considering easing some restrictions/advice in Stockholm as development is following their model extremely closely. Will be after Easter though as they are definitely shitting it a little that we’ll feck it up over Easter.
As it is now, there’s almost zero difference to regular death rate over March/April.
Winter tummy bug and regular flu cases dropped off a cliff from 2-3 weeks ago so what they are doing here is working.
People only looking at deaths per day so early aren’t looking or thinking long term, but even that has been stable enough. 65, 58, 54, 67, 66, 53, 47 (although those last 2 days likely to get another 10 or so late figures added to them).
Stockholm health service working very hard like most places in Europe but not close to being overwhelmed and the big failure in Stockholm so far is that we have allowed it into soooo many nursing homes, 121 just in Stockholm.
Gonna be some huge news here today after the random tests, health ministry should be giving us the approx percentage of total infected (past and present) in Stockholm according to their model using those tests which showed 2.5% actually bearing the virus on that test.
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Happy to hear mate. lets keep it up
To be fair I realized that the graph was per capita
They mentioned yesterday how misleading those graphs are so early in a pandemic. Lombardy was the area that got annihilated so to water down the figures with the 50 million other Italiens living in other regions gives a totally incorrect picture.
If anything you'd have to do a Milan - Stockholm graph to really compare.
You'd think a forbes journo would actually check out this stuff rather than just making an article from worldometres figures
Deaths per days since 2nd April 65, 58, 54, 67, 66, 53, 47 (although those last 2 days likely to get another 10 or so late figures added to them).
Journo has just seen 100+ for two days on Worldometer and hasn't even researched it to show that these were due to late reports which happen absolutely everywhere.
You'd think a forbes journo would actually check out this stuff rather than just making an article from worldometres figures
Deaths per days since 2nd April 65, 58, 54, 67, 66, 53, 47 (although those last 2 days likely to get another 10 or so late figures added to them).
Journo has just seen 100+ for two days on Worldometer and hasn't even researched it to show that these were due to late reports which happen absolutely everywhere.
Norway have done a miles better job at protecting their elderly to start with, even the experts here are saying that.
Norway will start opening up again soon and people there will die, we surely know by now that it’s inevitable? But even then I think Norway will come out better than Sweden if they continue to do a better job with their elderly.
121 nursing homes in Stockholm is a naughty figure.
Two things this virus has shown up about Swedish society so far are inequality and that we do a shit job with our elderly, not just in pandemic times.
That Sweden has passed India in cases has zero meaning whatsoever. Ireland has nearly as many cases as India, which also has zero meaning.
And no, 8% of people getting Covid-19 do not die, we all know that, stupid journalism.
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Good mate. if it works should be the strategy to follow when we get out of confinement
Well, but protecting nursing homes miles better I’d hope.
We’ve lost almost 500 in the 80+ bracket, almost 200 of those in the 90+ bracket. Many of these were avoidable if kept out of homes, home help were tested better etc. or if we set up our nursing homes better like they do in Norway, it’s just so often not as professional here
Hopefully someone can make a good antibody test as this would save soooo many in places like this.
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Well, but protecting nursing homes miles better I’d hope.
We’ve lost almost 500 in the 80+ bracket, almost 200 of those in the 90+ bracket. Many of these were avoidable if kept out of homes, home help were tested better etc. or if we set up our nursing homes better like they do in Norway, it’s just so often so unprofessional here
Hopefully someone can make a good antibody test as this would save soooo many in places like this.
Yes. Nursing homes had been hit everywhere in every country. The only ones in my home country that had no cases is because the responsibles by themselves took extra precautions way before COVID was considered a menace.
Sure everybody learnt. Just we need to find a path to continue with our lives while containing the deaths below what it would be acceptable (flu like, or any od the regular illnesses that we already have) and confinement can't get for long. Economically will be a disaster.
They are already interesting if you compare it with two weeks earlier.
Portugal and Sweden are interesting to compare. Similar population, both rather peripheral countries, both followed opposite approaches, and a few weeks ago we were pretty even in all stats.
Now they got almost double our deaths and three times our CFR.
Still not seeing longterm Arruda.
We have slowed the spread, massively, doing things we can do until Christmas if need be, you're also 4 days behind Sweden. CFR mate? Critical FR?