SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Hancock basically admits that face masks work, our approach is to ensure the limited supply is saved for healthcare workers.

I agree wholeheartedly with that point but they still need to ramp up production.
 
sullydnl said:
980 deaths in the UK today, which is higher than any day Italy experienced (albeit with Italy having a slightly smaller population). That number not including deaths in homes and hospices I believe and still approx. a week away from the expected peak.

Yet the media's coverage of what's going on in the UK seems strangely different to the way Italy was covered.
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They'll be writing that Italy has 20k deaths on Monday.
 
Pexbo said:
Hancock basically admits that face masks work, our approach is to ensure the limited supply is saved for healthcare workers.

I agree wholeheartedly with that point but they still need to ramp up production.
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I'm convinced they're still following their 'herd immunity' strategy. They don't seem to be moving heaven and earth to do....well anything actually.
Health workers still without kit is a fecking disgrace.
 
Stanley Road said:
So 1 province in NL had over 50pc of all cases in the Netherlands, Brabant. Why? They had a Carnival there 6 to 8 weeks ago, look it up and look through pictures to see how many wealthy people you can spot amongst the thousands of losers


Good luck
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You’re not a very nice person.
 
sullydnl said:
980 deaths in the UK today, which is higher than any day Italy experienced (albeit with Italy having a slightly smaller population). That number not including deaths in homes and hospices I believe and still approx. a week away from the expected peak.

Yet the media's coverage of what's going on in the UK seems strangely different to the way Italy was covered.
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The last 3 days have been higher than any day Italy had. Death numbers are wildly inaccurate though, possibly moreso than case numbers.

It was all a novelty and a shock back then, and it was happening to somebody else. This is the new norm, half of Europe is recording hundreds of cases a day and the US is into the thousands and climbing. Media and public perspective has changed.
 
11101 said:
The last 3 days have been higher than any day Italy had. Death numbers are wildly inaccurate though, possibly moreso than case numbers.

It was all a novelty and a shock back then, and it was happening to somebody else. This is the new norm, half of Europe is recording hundreds of cases a day and the US is into the thousands and climbing. Media and public perspective has changed.
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Very fair point.
 
Moiraine said:
Number of infections still pretty high and worrying.
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I think the drop off is going to be gradual rather than fast, the Chinese data gave the impression that numbers would come tumbling down but I think Italy is showing that it spreads fast and it doesn't go away very fast. The numbers of people getting discharged are at their highest also.
 
FireballXL5 said:
I'm convinced they're still following their 'herd immunity' strategy. They don't seem to be moving heaven and earth to do....well anything actually.
Health workers still without kit is a fecking disgrace.
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I think you’re right but I also don’t see any other way out of it. We’re too far away from a vaccine. Just watched a BBC horizon programme from last night, pretty interesting actually and herd immunity seems to be the ultimate destination regardless of any measures in place to slow it down.

The government, most other governments are only talking of slowing the spread, not stopping it. The truth as I see it, is it can’t really be stopped at this point. I think most of us are either going to catch it at some point, the requirement is we don’t all catch it at the same time.

But to say the government is doing nothing isn’t quite true, the country is on lockdown unless you haven’t noticed along with 25% of the worlds population according to horizon. It’s the biggest social action I’ve ever seen in my lifetime. It’s easy to bash the government but most countries, whatever government they have, are acting the same and are in the same boat.
 
hp88 said:
Getting tired of the “following the science” responses now.
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I for one am pleased they are following the science. The scientists are more qualified than politicians when it comes down to controlling a pandemic. When the government ditch the advice, then i will panic
 
Penna said:
Yes, and paper/crayons/colouring books for kids?
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Give that to today's youth and they will batter you Penna. It's all about tablets nowadays, they don't want no crayons and paper.
 
worldgonemad said:
I for one am pleased they are following the science. The scientists are more qualified than politicians when it comes down to controlling a pandemic. When the government ditch the advice, then i will panic
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If we're going to just repeat the government's "simple statements are best" propaganda can we at least be a bit more truthful when talking to each other?

There isn't "the science" on this. We all know that's true so let's not use definitive terms just because it's the government media strategy.
 
11101 said:
I thought we had all learned by now it doesn't matter one jot whether you are rich or poor. It's not a class specific virus, it is being spread by all, but primarily by families and close friends in group gatherings, no matter what their income status. Travelling, events, supermarket trips etc. are all minor sources of transmission.
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If you're talking about vulnerability it certainly does matter if you're rich or poor, because if you're poor you are far more likely to be forced by circumstances to put yourselves at risk (e.g - you're a key worker, your job involves interaction with members of the public, you live with other key workers, you have dependent family members living elsewhere, you live in close proximity to and/or share communal spaces with other households, your home is to small to practice social distancing in the event one of you gets sick). You're also much more likely to have underlying health conditions/poor health. If you're talking about how we got into this situation - mobile, affluent people have indisputably played the greatest role in helping the virus spread between population centres.

Stanley Roads post was blaming the continued spread of the disease on 'the underclass' - my point was that, generally speaking, it's the actions of affluent people which have helped spread the virus.
Stanley Road said:
So 1 province in NL had over 50pc of all cases in the Netherlands, Brabant. Why? They had a Carnival there 6 to 8 weeks ago, look it up and look through pictures to see how many wealthy people you can spot amongst the thousands of losers


Good luck
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Have you heard of the Cheltenham festival?
 
Something a bit surreal happened today. Due to holidayers spotted in the area, the city of Sète shut all roads accessing the city, they effectively isolated themselves from the rest of the world.
 
sullydnl said:
980 deaths in the UK today, which is higher than any day Italy experienced (albeit with Italy having a slightly smaller population). That number not including deaths in homes and hospices I believe and still approx. a week away from the expected peak.

Yet the media's coverage of what's going on in the UK seems strangely different to the way Italy was covered.
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We’re just all so numb to it now. Feels very different living through it in a banal manner, if not a key worker. Crazy how something so frightening becomes normal, almost comfortable.
 
Penna said:
Good for Sète, why should they suffer?
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They shouldn't and they are totally correct. People are being daft, they have been told to not go on holidays in other regions/departments and particularly not in the south, we are doing okay at the moment and they are potentially bringing the thing with them.
 
Pexbo said:
Hancock basically admits that face masks work, our approach is to ensure the limited supply is saved for healthcare workers.

I agree wholeheartedly with that point but they still need to ramp up production.
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They're too proud to accept help from the EU on it. Would rather people die than that
 
With the death stats being based on when they are reported you can guarantee that the government are trying their best to manage the numbers to keep it under the magic 1,000 number
 
TMDaines said:
Good story on the Guardian about the NHS volunteering scheme still not getting off the ground. I signed up within a hour of its launch, registered and installed the app, and not had a single alert.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/apr/10/nhs-coronavirus-volunteer-ionger-than-expected
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I've had one a couple of days ago - A little old lady who didn't want anything right now but was happy to know she could contact me if she wanted. Other than that there's been nothing.
 
cyberman said:
Got this yesterday when a couple of guards drove up to my farm asking what i was doing, if my work was essential.
Fecker, I own this land youre standing on.
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Seen Irish guards throwing their weight around twice in the hour or so i've been out across the week. It should definitely be clarified what exactly their purpose at the moment is.
 
Was chatting to my friend who is very clued up in terms of macro economics, he said that we'll likely have an economic downturn that is bigger than 2008. For a while I thought it would be a short term shock because of all the measures that have been put in place, but he said that while 2008 affected the banks, this current crisis is hitting everyone. The government has far too many plates to keep up and it will collapse eventually.
 
Sparky Rhiwabon said:
They're too proud to accept help from the EU on it. Would rather people die than that
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The UK received aid in the form of masks and protective overalls from Turkey today. I take it to mean there is an actual shortage, which I wasn't aware of up until reading that.

If that's the case, the UK is automatically doing a much poorer job than other nations of slowing the spread, as widespread mask use should be standard. They should stop clapping for Boris and put those hands to use actually making stuff.
 
Penna said:
Just reading about deaths in Italy amongst the medical and other health professions - there have been 97 doctors who have died (43 of those were GPs), 10 dentists, 28 nurses and 6 pharmacists. Terrible numbers and particularly sad when a doctor has come out of retirement to help out.
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I kind of wish they wouldn't do that. Its really admirable but they've given enough over their lives. They're the precise kind of people i'd want protected during this. Maybe use them as like remote doctors working from home that people can call up for advice or something similar. Putting them on the frontlines just feels really wasteful
 
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