Gonna be 900+ today then you would think, right? Taking all other regions into account.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Gonna be there or there abouts you would think.
Horrific, isnt it. This is where we are at now though, we're in the deep end for a good week I'd say. Hopefully we then start seeing a visible improvement.
I don't believe anybody should go after reparations but China should definitely be held to account in other ways. The world should no longer shrug its shoulders and say 'it's their culture' if a country allows obviously unsafe practices to carry on unchecked.
You can’t get this more wrong though with Sweden, there really is nothing laid back about it.
I really wish you could watch the daily press conferences here by the health authority, so incredibly informative about what they are expecting, how it is working, how Stockholm has really flattened the curve, the next steps etc etc.
In a few weeks Austria, Norway, Denmark & others will also start to open, and daft feckers still gonna be daft feckers. The key will be how much you can limit that.
terrible numbers albeit expected. we still have up to another week of this level before we start seeing a (hopeful) drop off.
Semantics. My point still remains, no one is getting inside China to investigate how long they sat on this thing etc. It’s a futile conversation.
Do people still think we made the right call holding off taking action as long as possible? We're racking up numbers as high as Italy were at their worst, and we don't have the excuse of being caught unaware.
They would but to police more than a billion people about exotic markets is going to be impossible. It is not the wet markets but the exotic markets that's the main issue.
Already Shenzhen has banned animals. China is a lot diverse and de regulated than most people think.
Xi is not omnipotent and is a not like Mao and if he makes mistakes or does anything crazy he will be replaced. It's like any other country as there is always someone who wants to pull down the leader and be the leader.
Best is to encourage them to keep a healthy standard.
The main reason why covid 19 happened has got nothing to do with the exotic market or Beijing.
The monitoring system Beijing had in place failed in Wuhan because of the local officials there. There was no hidden agenda by Beijing.
Losing face is an important part of the culture in Asia. Chinese have lost face. They lost face because of SAARS and was why they put the system in place. It failed this time and I am sure further heads will roll in Wuhan.
May be entirely futile but there's no mistaking where it came from and there are or could be opportunities to discover how early this virus travelled however this is not semantics and I honestly wouldn't have taken you as one to think that.
A report today said we could have as many as 40% of all the deaths in Europe.
it’s been horrendously handled by us.
Not sure much of the population thought that was right at the time. People were calling for action sooner than Boris went down the soft lockdown route.
This whole talk of blame and repatriation is just a can of worms. Economic incompetence, unnecessary wars, climate change are all issues that kill in the thousands and starting to attribute any blame or demand action is open to obvious claims of hypocrisy.
In an odd way i kind of agree with Trump that the WHO have failed in their task. Viruses happen and you can't say it wouldn't have happened anyway but globally we weren't ready for this. I suspect it's because the WHO were ignored and had no authority themselves but something needs to change.
In an odd way i kind of agree with Trump that the WHO have failed in their task. Viruses happen and you can't say it wouldn't have happened anyway but globally we weren't ready for this. I suspect it's because the WHO were ignored and had no authority themselves but something needs to change.
There's plenty on here who thought it was right. Just 3 weeks ago affluent, like-minded folk were enjoying their sunday roasts because Boris hadn't closed them off yet.
It also seems to me that the media focus and reporting angle has changed here since the numbers started ramping up???
But it could just be that I/we are more accustomed to seeing these sorts of figures and they don't shock like they did in Italy and Spain??
When did France lockdown Skills?
That's shocking numbers. 
Have to admit I mistakenly believed we would see fewer deaths.
Have to admit I mistakenly believed we would see fewer deaths.A week before but on the same number of cases. Which is why they're also suffering the high death rates. Worrying, they're ahead of us by a week so we might just thrash there totals too as we're putting at the same sort of numbers.
France locked down earlier though and look their numbers, after half term I think it was a case of closing the stable door after the horse has bolted.
The deaths and cases will drop off soon but then you have the issues with reopening the country.
I can answer that. A week before the UK. It’s that extra week of faffing, with pubs and clubs full of people, that has hurt the UK so badly. We can just be grateful that organisations like the PL took the initiative and stopped running events with thousands of people packed together before the government got its shit together and belatedly asked them to.
As long as people aren't dying as a result of not being able to get a ventilator or an ICU bed then the lockdown didn't come too late. The numbers were always going to be huge.
Is my thoughts too.
Can of worms this.
Some big numbers and it would seem UK is not actually being stretched as Italy (or Spain Madrid) was when posting 850-950 deaths. We'll see how long it continues but it might say a lot about the health of people here and quality of care. Could we see 1000-1500 when more hospitals get overwhelmed?
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People are dying now who would not have even caught the virus had a lockdown been enforced earlier. It doesn't matter if they died because ICU is overwhelmed or not if they hadn't even become ill in the first place
Yep, but issues that must be and will be confronted and dealt with as well as possible. Life will go on, it has to, for the sake of our future.
I think we're in for a torrid few days ahead in terms of numbers, but then I'm hoping to see some improvement.
That is a bloody scandal if true.
That's far too simplistic. For example people have died because doctors didn't have the PPE to treat them so didn't.
The aim of the first wave had to be to delay to ensure as much preparation and knowledge as possible. The idea that ventilators is the only criteria is patently false.
No, that’s not true. Even in Italy, they never actually ran out of ventilators. That’s a bit of a myth that is doing the rounds. It’s not just about being able to ventilate every COVID patient who needs it. It’s about leaving some capacity in your health service to adequately treat all the other patients who continue to need treatment, as well as try and do your best for pandemic patients.
I don’t want to tempt fate but if current trends continue, Ireland has a reasonable chance of getting through this with much less dysfunction in our health service than the NHS will endure. Thanks to earlier actions and much greater clarity of message coming from our government.
Surely China's numbers especially deaths look more bullshite by the day. They built 12 hospitals in Wuhan alone but had around half the deaths of the UK...
Also saw this bit of a conspiracy but wouldn't put it past Republican scum.
Also saw this bit of a conspiracy but wouldn't put it past Republican scum.
936 the UK number is.
Someone posted a report that showed the deaths on discrete days recently, I can't find it. Will be interesting to see when that updates what direction we are heading in on a day by day basis.
I find myself being unable to shake the anger at those sporting events and gigs going ahead when it was hitting the fan in Europe.
Someone posted a report that showed the deaths on discrete days recently, I can't find it. Will be interesting to see when that updates what direction we are heading in on a day by day basis.
I find myself being unable to shake the anger at those sporting events and gigs going ahead when it was hitting the fan in Europe.
That’s a fair point, but without a vaccine there’s a large chance these people would have caught it later instead.
Yes I think obvious for a while. Italy's progression showed the lockdown starts to take effect about 2 weeks in ending the exponential growth, but it takes another 1-2 weeks or so for the growth to then start declining. There curve is almost a Gaussian curve stripped from an A level stats textbook.
Do you mean by day of death? The one for England can be found here: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/
Has the caf Jury already ruled China is to blame then?
Is my thoughts too.
Let me comment on this. The WHO Executive Board is comprised of the various regions of the World. From Europe they have Germany, Italy, Israel, Latvia Finland,Austria and some other countries.
In the Americas USA has a seat but up to now Trump has not appointed anyone. So how can he be right on WHO when he himself refuses to appoint anyone to the Board?
Australia, Japan, Singapore and China are there too.
By the way all these on the Board are proposed by the respective governments and are Government officials.
What happened in the west is sheer incompetence. Now as always they are trying to blame someone else for their failures. USA tested their first case the same day as Korea which is around the 23rd of January.
Now reports say Trump was informed in January that's it could get very bad in the US in January itself. It's saying the same about Boris Johnson now.
My fear is that, once this is over, the focus might wrongly be on the wet markets.
While it may be true that this virus originated from one, this should not take away from the fact that the world was unprepared to deal with a pandemic as such. Even if wet markets are eradicated, there will be more pandemics in the future.
It is fake. Good of you to point it out so fast, goes to show how easy this stuff is believed. Not that I blame people, these are exceptional times.
But what's more worrying is it does appear to have been started and spread from within camhs first, which is even more irresponsible when you consider what they are there for!
@Revan we were talking about the true death rate about a month ago, what do you think it is now?
Back then the mortality rate in Germany & SK was <1% and we probably thought that was the true rate, because of all the unknown cases. But in both SK and Germay it seems to be converging to around 2% now. So have the deaths just caught up or is it the case that even their testing capacity is being outstripped by the infection rate?
Back then the mortality rate in Germany & SK was <1% and we probably thought that was the true rate, because of all the unknown cases. But in both SK and Germay it seems to be converging to around 2% now. So have the deaths just caught up or is it the case that even their testing capacity is being outstripped by the infection rate?