You didn’t read me i think. I said world was on one page, united.So why are you using 9/11 as an example ?
What do you actually want to happen to China.
Ah fair enough. He is a cnut. But again, i can't defend anyone who wishes ill will on another person regardless of how much of a cnut they are. Maybe my voice is more outside than others so I can do it without getting (not saying this is a bad thing to have) emotionally attached to it.Also
- In a 1995 column unearthed by Business Insider, UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson called for patients to be charged to use the National Health Service to prevent free care being "abused" by people who can afford to pay.
- The prime minister wrote in the Spectator magazine that free healthcare should be only for "those who are genuinely sick, and for the elderly."
- He added that "if people have to pay" for NHS services, "they will value them more.
As someone with a disabled family member and I've also seen the struggles of people with mental illness over the last decade, I think it's only fair I treat Boris in a similar way to how he's treated them. It's what he would have wanted.
- Almost always voted against paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness or disability
- Almost always voted for a reduction in spending on welfare benefits
You didn’t read me i think. I said world was on one page, united.
Take care of their wet markets, compensate for hiding the severity of virus from the world. There are so many deaths, unprecedented damage to the world economy.
You think world should resume everything like nothing happened?
I'm rubbish at politics and stuff but this is the time where the nations should get together like the UN, maybe have a trip to China and make sure everyones happy this stuff stop happening in the future again.
It cant repeatedly keep happening. Mistakes does happen, but if dirty mistakes keep happening in a dirty area then it's time that it may need to be cleaned with a bit of force after the pandemic has died down as a way of saying sorry for this problem happening.
"The Asian Flu in 1956 killed between one and four million people worldwide. SARS in 2002 infected 8,098 and killed 774 in seventeen counties. H7N9 emerged ten years later to strike at least 1,223 people and kill four out of every ten of them. Now, the milder, yet more infectious COVID-19 has sickened more than 70,000 across the globe, resulting in 1,771 deaths."
All from China.
https://www.realclearscience.com/bl..._outbreaks_always_seem_to_start_in_china.html
Ah right thats makes sense(Although the outcome of 9/11 was wars in Iraq and Afghanistan)You didn’t read me i think. I said world was on one page, united.
China already have made moves to tackle wet markets but it's a billion dollar global market(https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/05/...-wildlife-consumption-ban-intl-hnk/index.html)Take care of their wet markets, compensate for hiding the severity of virus from the world. There are so many deaths, unprecedented damage to the world economy.
Prof Cunningham says if we're to stop another pandemic in the future, we must focus on causes as well as effects. At the root of the problem is the destruction of nature, bringing animals and humans into conflict.
"Even in protected forests, the forests are still there, but the wildlife's gone from within them because they have ended up in markets," he says. ".And it's easy to finger point, but it's not just happening in China, it's happening in many other countries and even in the western world. We like to have exotic pets and many of those are wild caught and we ought to be putting our own house in order too."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-52125309
Definitely not but what we need is as you've said a united world but that must involved global changes(universal healthcare, possibly a UBI, tackling mass inequality, etc)and not just focusing in on China.You think world should resume everything like nothing happened?
I wouldn't wish ill on him but I won't care about the outcome of his health, similar to how he didn't shit when casting those votes. Although it's worth saying my position is clearly not the majority one.Ah fair enough. He is a cnut. But again, i can't defend anyone who wishes ill will on another person regardless of how much of a cnut they are. Maybe my voice is more outside than others so I can do it without getting (not saying this is a bad thing to have) emotionally attached to it.
is this really shitting on the NHS though? What is so outlandish about saying those things? You don't have to agree with them but aren't these things just standard things that get debated all the time in government?Also
- In a 1995 column unearthed by Business Insider, UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson called for patients to be charged to use the National Health Service to prevent free care being "abused" by people who can afford to pay.
- The prime minister wrote in the Spectator magazine that free healthcare should be only for "those who are genuinely sick, and for the elderly."
- He added that "if people have to pay" for NHS services, "they will value them more.
As someone with a disabled family member and I've also seen the struggles of people with mental illness over the last decade, I think it's only fair I treat Boris in a similar way to how he's treated them. It's what he would have wanted.
- Almost always voted against paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness or disability
- Almost always voted for a reduction in spending on welfare benefits
Johnson wasn't PM until a couple of months ago. His cabinet weren't the ones that shat on the NHS. He listened to his own nation's medical advisors, which as per your original point were put into position by the previous administration. His political advisor is a cnut, but that doesn't mean he himself deserves to die for it.
So far HIS administration has;
Listened to government advisors
Change tactic when it turned out the information was false
Put economic policies in place to protect millions of people in the UK
You keep saying "they" as if they = Boris. If Cummings was the one in ICU, or Osborne or Lansley, Hunt or Cameron I would give less of a shit than I do about Boris, which is already very little to begin with. But that's all irrelevant. Proclaiming that you want someone to suffer because they've made other people suffer makes you just as much of a cnut* as they are. Perhaps even moreso because they can at least try and hide behind a sense of ignorance to the situation.
*Not calling you specifically a cnut, I'm making a general statement**
**I like cake
It really all comes down to education on food safety and hygiene. The Chinese government really needs to get serious about educating and enforcing proper hygiene. I'm not sure what else you can really do to solve it.
Add to that H5N1 (bird flu) which had end-of-civilization potential.I'm rubbish at politics and stuff but this is the time where the nations should get together like the UN, maybe have a trip to China and make sure everyones happy this stuff stop happening in the future again.
It cant repeatedly keep happening. Mistakes does happen, but if dirty mistakes keep happening in a dirty area then it's time that it may need to be cleaned with a bit of force after the pandemic has died down as a way of saying sorry for this problem happening.
"The Asian Flu in 1956 killed between one and four million people worldwide. SARS in 2002 infected 8,098 and killed 774 in seventeen counties. H7N9 emerged ten years later to strike at least 1,223 people and kill four out of every ten of them. Now, the milder, yet more infectious COVID-19 has sickened more than 70,000 across the globe, resulting in 1,771 deaths."
All from China.
https://www.realclearscience.com/bl..._outbreaks_always_seem_to_start_in_china.html
He's advocating for getting rid of free at the point of use healthcare. Maybe it's just me but agree to disagree I want to take away you're healthcare is shitting on the NHS.is this really shitting on the NHS though? What is so outlandish about saying those things? You don't have to agree with them but aren't these things just standard things that get debated all the time in government?
Boris Johnson advocated an insurance-based healthcare system for non-essential treatments and pushed for patients to have more private care outside the NHS, a newly unearthed article shows.
In a 2004 column for The Daily Telegraph, Mr Johnson lamented how individuals were paying “more and more in their taxes for this ‘unimprovable’ universal service” while having operations cancelled at the last minute.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...lthcare-general-election-tories-a9225061.html
This guy’s party is responsible for underfunding the NHS and costing lots of lives, not to mention they send thousands of men to their deaths (who also have children) in unjust wars. I don’t wish death on him, but I can’t be the only one not giving a shit?
He's advocating for getting rid of free at the point of use healthcare. Maybe it's just me but agree to disagree I want to take away you're healthcare is shitting on the NHS.
Again(It's really a endless list tbh)
Also he's hardly been a out spoken critic of the last decade of tory rule.
Not to nitpick but labour were in rule when soldiers were sent to Aghanistan and Iraq for the ‘war on terror’.This guy’s party is responsible for underfunding the NHS and costing lots of lives, not to mention they send thousands of men to their deaths (who also have children) in unjust wars. I don’t wish death on him, but I can’t be the only one not giving a shit?
This is not a fact, and even if it was to make such a claim would need a reference. Energy prices will be depressed and the focus of governance will be on the economy whatever the cost to the environment, so we will go straight back to burning fossil fuels at a rapid pace if the economy rebounds.One of the most disturbing facts I've heard is that covid19 has actually saved more lives in the long run due to it slowing down economy and causing clearer air in places like China.Covid19 has got nothing on climate change.
I don’t agree with it and obviously you don’t but I don’t see how it’s shitting on the nhs per se. Again I’m not agreeing but the idea that they have, is that it would actually Strengthen the NHS.
That part would be politicians in generalNot to nitpick but labour were in rule when soldiers were sent to Aghanistan and Iraq for the ‘war on terror’.
We are just going to recreate the worst thread of last year(The UK general election thread). It's pretty clear from Boris past comments and voting record why a certain part of the population won't care about his current health situation.
That part would be politicians in general
We are just going to recreate the worst thread of last year(The UK general election thread). It's pretty clear from Boris past comments and voting record why a certain part of the population won't care about his current health situation.
Totally empathiseDo you or any of your friends have children whose nurseries and schools been closed? The second my son goes to sleep I just sit on my sofa like a potato due to exhaustion.
Just gives yet another reminder as to how insanely contagious this is.Holy shit. Over 700 workers in a hospital system in Detroit have tested positive for Covid-19.
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...5gNT9U4wDJed5WQ1ZGCHp4KTEOG3dGQBuwsysJJKEIjsM
Just gives yet another reminder as to how insanely contagious this is.
Just maybe, the bigger problem is that your style is quite annoying, more so than your different views, that are actually shared by many nordic and german posters, largely because we are in different situation than the countries in more imminent crisis. Whereas @Arruda is loved by everyone, obviously.
- In a 1995 column unearthed by Business Insider, UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson called for patients to be charged to use the National Health Service to prevent free care being "abused" by people who can afford to pay.
- The prime minister wrote in the Spectator magazine that free healthcare should be only for "those who are genuinely sick, and for the elderly."
- He added that "if people have to pay" for NHS services, "they will value them more
Poorly worded. They all send people to their deaths for their own gain. His party wants the NHS dead and buried. Ironic how it’s needed now more than ever.To nitpick again, you did say “his party”. But yeah they were all to blame for that debacle but it was still under Labours reign.
Johnson wasn't PM until a couple of months ago. His cabinet weren't the ones that shat on the NHS. He listened to his own nation's medical advisors, which as per your original point were put into position by the previous administration. His political advisor is a cnut, but that doesn't mean he himself deserves to die for it.
So far HIS administration has;
Listened to government advisors
Change tactic when it turned out the information was false
Put economic policies in place to protect millions of people in the UK
You keep saying "they" as if they = Boris. If Cummings was the one in ICU, or Osborne or Lansley, Hunt or Cameron I would give less of a shit than I do about Boris, which is already very little to begin with. But that's all irrelevant. Proclaiming that you want someone to suffer because they've made other people suffer makes you just as much of a cnut* as they are. Perhaps even moreso because they can at least try and hide behind a sense of ignorance to the situation.
*Not calling you specifically a cnut, I'm making a general statement**
**I like cake
This is just the irrationality of the NHS debate in the UK. Correct me if I’m wrong but in Holland, which is ranked as the best healthcare system in the world, you have to pay some fees or excesses (like UK dental care) for services. It’s run by private companies but with government oversight for fairness whilst funding is available for those in economic distress. Sadly in the UK the NHS is political football so no rational debate can ever be had because of the ideological plonkers on both sides.
I think those comments are perfectly fine and hint at a system that seems to be in place in Holland. I’d also add that all the signals were that Johnson’s number one priority was funding the NHS and improving it because he saw it as his key to being reelected. I tend to believe those stories because a) the NHS consistently is the most important topic to the British electorate b) the makeup of Johnson’s cross class coalition means that this Tory government has to be different and c) he drove our fiscal conservative Javid so he wouldn’t get in the way of his public spending.
This is not the thread for debating Boris Johnson's politics. There is already one set up for that....use it.
Not following conspiracies, this is the second lethal virus originated from the same place!
What will you say about that?
That China represents a fifth of earth population, that these type of viruses are relatively common in the fauna. China will always be one of the main places where viruses hosted by animals find a way to jump on humans because most of China is totally wild and the rest is full of humans, it's a number's game. As I said earlier in this thread we know that there is an ebola-like virus in China called Mengla, as far as we know currently it's not transmittable to humans but don't go into conspiracies when it happens, because it will most likely happen one day whether it is in 10 or 200 years.
This is just the irrationality of the NHS debate in the UK. Correct me if I’m wrong but in Holland, which is ranked as the best healthcare system in the world, you have to pay some fees or excesses (like UK dental care) for services. It’s run by private companies but with government oversight for fairness whilst funding is available for those in economic distress.
Also
- In a 1995 column unearthed by Business Insider, UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson called for patients to be charged to use the National Health Service to prevent free care being "abused" by people who can afford to pay.
- The prime minister wrote in the Spectator magazine that free healthcare should be only for "those who are genuinely sick, and for the elderly."
- He added that "if people have to pay" for NHS services, "they will value them more.
As someone with a disabled family member and I've also seen the struggles of people with mental illness over the last decade, I think it's only fair I treat Boris in a similar way to how he's treated them. It's what he would have wanted.
- Almost always voted against paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness or disability
- Almost always voted for a reduction in spending on welfare benefits
Fair points. I can't argue with you.Also
- In a 1995 column unearthed by Business Insider, UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson called for patients to be charged to use the National Health Service to prevent free care being "abused" by people who can afford to pay.
- The prime minister wrote in the Spectator magazine that free healthcare should be only for "those who are genuinely sick, and for the elderly."
- He added that "if people have to pay" for NHS services, "they will value them more.
As someone with a disabled family member and I've also seen the struggles of people with mental illness over the last decade, I think it's only fair I treat Boris in a similar way to how he's treated them. It's what he would have wanted.
- Almost always voted against paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness or disability
- Almost always voted for a reduction in spending on welfare benefits
He's probably getting private healthcare treatment?I would say all the signs were that he wanted to be seen to be improving the NHS, not that he wanted to actually improve it. He was in the middle of trying to sell chunks of it to Trump and his mates for one thing.
Evidence for my position could be the 40 new hospitals which were really just 6 new hospitals that were already under construction anyway. Or the 50,000 new nurses which were really just 30,000. And then you add in the fact that the psychopath in the Home Office was trying to put in a points based system that would have made it almost impossible to recruit foreign nurses and difficult even to retain some of the current ones.
One thing I'm hoping from all this is that Boris should actually come out of this with some perspective and understanding of the importance of some of these systems. He'll have to be a special kind of bastard to not actually do something for the NHS now, and hopefully it will be taken off the table in the US trade deal.
We are just going to recreate the worst thread of last year(The UK general election thread). It's pretty clear from Boris past comments and voting record why a certain part of the population won't care about his current health situation.
If it is a numbers game, then shouldn’t 4 diseases come out from other places for every disease that comes from China?
Yet, in this decade we have SARS, SARS 2, H5N1, H7N9 originated in China. MERS, Ebola, Zika and swine flu were outside of China (though in case of swine flu was a new strain of a virus originated in 1918 either on China or the US). Anyway, the point is that it is happening more often than it should in China.
