Why would she have to shop? Can't she have brought a shit tonne of shopping with her?
She probably has a massive garden too there.
She looks as if she has to resign over not following her own advice.She doesn't go for milk, she's not fecking stupid, she brought provisions from the city with her I'd imagine.
Well you should care about education because in 20 years time the less people properly educated will lead to less nurses, less surgeons etc required to save lives at that point.I could give two shits about anyones education. People can recover from that. Just like the economy can recover. You know who can’t recover? The people dying. So that should be the main priority which is saving lives not your nieces education.
Nobody has even talked about going into lockdown until Vaccine comes. But reducing the number of cases is the priority and having a lockdown will help that.
You say it’s not about wanting to go back to the pub or cinema? Then what is it about? These are the businesses that you talking about that will struggle, but you don’t want to go there. So what is it?
That's not how lockdown works. Subjectively, there can be thousands of cases where people can venture out to their second homes, vacation homes etc. It is not possible for any authority to validate the same so only solution is to have a blanket curb on all such visits.
Here's that lack of common sense again though. Symptomless and isolated, how on Earth is she gonna spread it?
You're asking why she would have to get things from a shop at any point, like the overwhelming majority of people who are isolating will?
Suggesting (apropos of absolutely nothing as far as I can see) that she was about to successfully break all contact with the outside world for weeks on end is quite the position for someone supposed to be arguing for the merits of common sense.
I shop for petrol at a card pump.
Take food with you from the City, or buy online. Get guy/girl to leave outside door.
Fair point, unlikely for a fit healthy individual but ok, I'd imagine that'd be a worse strain on the health service in the City though.
Where are the risks here?
Storm in a teacup for me, getting angry at fellow citizens that are social distancing and isolating seems a sure fire way to get angry at everything.
It can take days before symptoms show and those that don't have any symptoms can spread it no?
You don't know you're a fit healthy individual because you can have the virus for weeks without showing symptoms.
At this point I think you're being wilfully stupid. You have the 11th most posts in this thread and don't seem to want to do anything other than spout utter drivel that will get people killed. You're wasting yours and everybody else's time.
You don't know you're a fit healthy individual because you can have the virus for weeks without showing symptoms.
And next weekend is Easter Weekend. People looking for an excuse to go to their caravan or second home for a long weekend.It can take days before symptoms show and those that don't have any symptoms can spread it no?
If you enforce a rule and someone at the top behind these rules breaks them regardless of how minor, others will follow.
That grey area becomes a rabbit hole everyone gets the same idea and decides to test those rules..
Weekend before lockdown record numbers were at Snowdonia..
Imagine if everyone does the same as her.
Maybe change second house to a hotel.
Then see the problem.
People will embrace it if they feel it’s for the greater good, and clearly that’s the case.
I take it you don’t agree with lockdowns?
Thanks!
I couldn't care less about not being able to travel, in fact I think the world will be a better place with far less travel. I also think countries should become more self sufficient, that globalisation has plenty of negative effects on society.
But currently, lot's of SME businesses owners risk losing their businesses already, big companies are laying off workers, freelancers have no work, shop owners have no business etc etc etc
How should this all be built up again? The ones who can help and stimulate a rebuild are the banks, but then it will be all on their terms. Disaster.
I think he's one of these sunbathers
Sully, people can travel to a Summer house and successfully isolate and take no risks.
Yes or No?
I too find it shocking that the majority of people are actively acting in other people's interest.
Ask those in Southern Italy if people going from highly infected areas into areas with a lessened healthcare system to stay in their second homes is a problem or not.
How is a rule about no unnecessary travel stupid?
What happens if you have a car accident? You're tying up resource very selfishly.
How do you think this virus spread? Through people travelling. Cut down travel you cut down the spread.
Are you one of the sunbathers? Are you going out doing your usual? Why not? Because youve accepted the risks and taken a reasonable decision to do your bit.
That's what this health woman should have done. Especially as she's instructing people to!
Obviously no. It's a really easy question to answer once you look at the bigger picture rather than take each case on its own. If one travels to a summer house, it's unlikely the risk increases. If thousands do it, the risks at gas stations increase massively. More people need to fill up, more people will have their cars break down and need service. More accidents happen on the streets which means there's need for first aid and medical help.Sully, people can travel to a Summer house and successfully isolate and take no risks.
Yes or No?
Except she is the Chief Medical officer, the rules are simple. If she is flouting those rules regardless of how unlikely it is she'll harm someone by doing this.
Other people will look to her example and think, well 'I'll do this and I'll do that, she's the Chief Medical officer, I'll just go to the beach not harming anyone right?
Then record numbers at the fecking beach because everyone has the same idea.
Akin to what happened the weekend before the lockdown.
A very tiny minority might be able to
Why only a tiny minority? I could easily head up to a summer house now, do a big shop before hand in my nearest local shop, and go out exercising in the open air away from people.
Why couldn't a large majority of second home owners manage that Sully?
Obviously no. It's a really easy question to answer once you look at the bigger picture rather than take each case on its own. If one travels to a summer house, it's unlikely the risk increases. If thousands do it, the risks at gas stations increase massively. More people need to fill up, more people will have their cars break down and need service. More accidents happen on the streets which means there's need for first aid and medical help.
The risks of all these factors might be minor if you look at one case. But you can't look at it that way. As a role model for the public, it's completely irresponsible to act that way. Even if you're against the lockdown, it doesn't make any sense to defend her actions.
Depends on the person. If I had a second home and visited it I'd be isolating myself so not an issue. People are dumb though.
You don't spread a virus driving your car, if she literally only visited her second home it isn't an issue (outside of her being health minister). People hitting busy beaches and parks are the idiots I'd worry about.
Why bother though. That's the point.
Someone going to their Summer house and following all the recommendations of social distancing is nothing like people going to a crowded beach and thinking "feck it, that medical officer lady went to her Summer house".
The crowded beach lot would be utter fecking morons.
So back to my point, I guess I have more faith that the majority of people aren't fecking morons and I'm not gonna get anywhere in this debate. Fledgling actually reckons I'm saying stuff that "will kill people", that's how worked up some people are in here.
Keep social distance and you'll save lives, go to a packed beach and you're a fecking imbecile.
It's a big "if" that she doesn't crash her car, doesn't fuel it. Doesn't buy food.
It's unnecessary travel which is what the experts (apparently herself included) are instructing people to do.
If it's not followed by her, why should anyone follow it?
My gut feeling is whenever you see anybody complaining about people policing the lockdown it's because they were out doing it themselves and don't want to be made to feel bad for it. I get everyone is bored and fractious, which is why I cant help get irate with people who can't do what they're told and whose going to make us stay inside Ionger.
You keep social distance by cutting unnecessary travel..simple as that.
Whether you "could" avoid risk doesn't matter. Otherwise we wouldn't even bother with a lockdown.
I think the policing of this lockdown has been heavy handed and at times seriously concerning but I've been following the lockdown religiously .
Obviously I can't prove this on here, but I live in a semi-rural area and have a good sized garden so there's no need for me to sun bathe in a park etc.
I just want to take issue with the last part of the statement. It's not the people sunbathing who'll get us put inside longer. It's Johnson, it's a political choice. The idea of a collective punishment on the nation because a few people are laying down on some grass in the middle of London is a nonsense. This isn't a Y8 maths class, this should be a mature Liberal Democracy.Should be...
So she went out in the open and stayed away from everyone. Ok.
Look, if that pisses you off, so be it, but I think there's plenty of other more common sense things to be pissed off about that actual do carry risks.
Why only a tiny minority? I could easily head up to a summer house now, do a big shop before hand in my nearest local shop, and go out exercising in the open air away from people.
Why couldn't a large majority of second home owners manage that Sully?
I saw this on social media a few days back and it couldn’t be more true.
“The virus doesn’t move, people move it. We stop moving, the virus stops moving, the virus dies. It’s that simple”
We have bred a generation of cnuts. Absolute cnuts that don’t think that rules apply to them.
We are heading for a full lockdown in the UK because the minority are a selfish bunch of cnuts that don’t think that rules apply to them.
Just stay at home for a few fecking weeks! Why is it so hard to understand?
The problem is, even a small fraction can spread the virus a lot.Bit over the top. There is a small fraction of the UK population ignoring the rules and there always will be, that’s how society works.
The problem is, even a small fraction can spread the virus a lot.
