But....but..... those footballers eh?
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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But....but..... those footballers eh?
Excellent. Footballers doing this, and holding the clubs accountable for still paying their non playing staff is a lot more powerful message than them just subsidising the clubs expenses.
That's really interesting, because I've read stuff over the last months that suggests otherwise. Now that stat you've posted refers to USA data from 2009, whereas the FT used OECD data from 2017 and came up with this picture.
Any idea what's going on there? Financial Times just talking nonsense, or perhaps a problem with the definition of 'ICU/acute care beds'?
https://www.ft.com/content/effd0dae-655f-11ea-b3f3-fe4680ea68b5
"The US and UK both have weaknesses in their healthcare systems which could trigger a collapse if the two countries experience the kind of severe coronavirus outbreak similar to Italy, a Financial Times analysis has found.
Both countries have fewer hospital beds per capita than most other western nations, the analysis shows. While the US and UK have about 2 beds per 1,000 people, Germany, by comparison has 6, while Japan has 7.8, according to the OECD."
Compared to the stat you've posted:
What the feck? Who is this Josef Mengele? Deserves to get deplatformed from every media forum available and never be heard again at the very least. Or feck it, send him to Africa and let him explain to the people what he proposes -- I'm sure they'll be considerate when feeding him to the fecking lions.
The tweet is wrong. They are talking about the current BCG trials done in Europe and Australia not a Covid-19 vaccine and they are talking about including Africa in the current trials. What he(Mira) said and the way he said it were stupid but the report is wrong too.
Here you have a link about the actual subject.
Good to see and fair play to them. Only 30% of one month salary right though but a great gesture.
Annoys me that footballers get called out so quickly, whilst actors/musicians/artists/head fund managers never seem to in such ways.
That's really interesting, because I've read stuff over the last months that suggests otherwise. Now that stat you've posted refers to USA data from 2009, whereas the FT used OECD data from 2017 and came up with this picture.
Any idea what's going on there? Financial Times just talking nonsense, or perhaps a problem with the definition of 'ICU/acute care beds'?
https://www.ft.com/content/effd0dae-655f-11ea-b3f3-fe4680ea68b5
"The US and UK both have weaknesses in their healthcare systems which could trigger a collapse if the two countries experience the kind of severe coronavirus outbreak similar to Italy, a Financial Times analysis has found.
Both countries have fewer hospital beds per capita than most other western nations, the analysis shows. While the US and UK have about 2 beds per 1,000 people, Germany, by comparison has 6, while Japan has 7.8, according to the OECD."
Compared to the stat you've posted:
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Acute care bed is not the same as a critical care bed. Hence the discrepancy. Acute care just means a bed available for an emergency admission. Critical care bed is one in which someone can be ventilated. Both types of beds are needed.
Most of Eastern European countries have acted proactively from what I've been following. Except, umm, Belarus, I don't know what the feck is happening there to be honest.
Fair enough I was only going by the the tweet which is clearly designed to outrage people. Got me obviously.
I'm sorry, but no-one is gonna top your posts on here.
1. Persistently bragging about how "Swedish independence" is saving you, unlike cultures with "inter-generational living" and other ailments.
2. Shitting on other countries and how the cheek-kissing culture is "no doubt" responsible for the spread of the virus in Spain, Italy etc
3. When it gets bad, blaming the spread of the virus on the immigrant subsets of Swedish society
4. Constantly defending every government that uses the phrase "scientific advise", partly because you clearly don't know any science.
1. Bragging? Hahha. I’ve said all along, deaths will be big everywhere and that all countries that are following their scientific advisors are doing the right thing.
As for Sweden, people like yourself are desperate to say they are doing it wrong which blows my mind, as how the funk could you have. a clue? I’ve simply defended their position, I’ve also said dozens of times I have no idea who will be right/wrong in the end.
2. Shitting on Italy for saying they kiss on cheeks as a hello, move out later than anyone in Europe and often live with multiple generations ? No wonder you hate science as you seem to have a real issue with facts.
I adore Italy mate, and I love their culture for what it’s worth.
Weird that I’d need to mention it but as a Brit, I take the piss all the time out of how cold and harsh Swedes and Swedish culture is. Give me Italian culture any day over this.
And I’ve mentioned multiple times that Italy was so unfortunate, no-one saw this coming and what happened in Italy will be the reason most countries will now cope better as Italy gave us an early warning.
3. I’m not blaming immigrants, what a gimpy thing to say, I’m saying Sweden may have failed them somewhat if Järva continues to be the hardest hit place in the country.
4. Eh?
But keep on building your strawman my man.
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I'm not sure but maybe when it does come, it'll be etched into people's minds that they delivered on what they promised, albeit very late.
Yep they'll probably somehow come out of this with a higher approval rating, annoyingly.
Yes that makes sense. I've also just been reading this which might explain why there's so many different numbers floating around in the media:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3551445/
"Definitions of ICU beds
The differences between ICU beds may be technological capabilities (e.g. ability to provide specific organ support) or staffing, or both [4*]. While many consider an ICU bed one in which a patient can receive mechanical ventilation, this definition is by no means universal. For example, American ICU beds are often defined by staffing availability while Belgian beds are defined by the characteristics of the patients themselves [4*]. Beds in the UK, Australia, and New Zealand may be Level 2 (high-dependency) or Level 3 (full intensive care), but both types of beds are categorized and counted as ICU beds [5, 6]."
It does put the ICU beds in the USA on 20-31/100.000 people, based on various data, though again this is around 2012 so maybe not entirely accurate in 2020.
From what I understand from discussions in Europe, it's that the actual beds on the ICU's aren't really the problem (or they can create a new wing/area in a hospital). It's the lack of highly and very specifically trained staff that are required for these treatments on ICU's - new capable people can't be educated in four weeks - and also very much a possible shortage of medical equipments.
This is a wtf story. Apologies if already posted.
Engineer tried to crash train into USNS Mercy in Los Angeles: Feds
https://abcnews.go.com/US/engineer-...Mx7gLc_sMP4PIcgqOEisRVei961l9X_fvdPVU2K-IyrWQ
Engineer tried to crash train into USNS Mercy in Los Angeles: Feds
https://abcnews.go.com/US/engineer-...Mx7gLc_sMP4PIcgqOEisRVei961l9X_fvdPVU2K-IyrWQ
They don't really make a distinction anymore these days, or at least not in the more local hospitals. I know two nurses, both active in the geriatrics department, and they simply have to do shifts on the Covid-19 department as well since last week.
Seems like the only option there is really and I assume this will be happening everywhere when needed, hardly optimal but at least it's something. What I've heard over here in the Netherlands is that the 'simpler ICU tasks' on corona patients are now done by other medical staff in order to take the pressure off, but there still is a looming shortage of proper specialized ICU staff for the next months.
The numbers are also slightly irrelevant for the average citizen too. Other than for a short period of time a couple of weeks ago, in very specific areas, there has not been a shortage of ventilators/ICU beds in Italy. The government has managed to keep ahead of the tide by the skin of it's teeth.
It doesn't matter if you have 30 or 300 ICU beds per 100k if you only need 25. As long as everybody who needs one gets one it is not a factor in the death rates. I'm not aware of any country truly running out so far.
684 deaths in UK today 
One of them a nurse from my home town.684 deaths in UK today
so all masks are equally effective? ..
Social media is no authority or credible witness. Some have agendas and some dont. God told folk to multiply. he did not add 'and ill tell you when to stop'. So as always discernment goes a fair way
I really feel sorry for supermarket workers at the moment.
The NHS working are rightly getting love from the public but the dude at Asda or the lady at Tesco didn't sign up for this shit.
The NHS working are rightly getting love from the public but the dude at Asda or the lady at Tesco didn't sign up for this shit.
They were talking to each other at my local Sainsbury's today, going on about the abuse they are getting over making people queue to go into the store.
This is going to be a huge issue. Especially in countries like Uk and Ireland, that are running short of PPE so early in the epidemic. Which means more and more HCWs ending up sick/dead.
It would take a spectacularly fecking stupid deity to try and control over-population by creating a disease that was lethal for the elderly but leaves kids more or less untouched. Goes without saying that anyone who would take that theory seriously is just as stupid.
He looks ill. Even though I don't like his politics I wouldn't wish suffering on anyone. I hope he gets better soon.
I think its comparing apples and orangesThat's really interesting, because I've read stuff over the last months that suggests otherwise. Now that stat you've posted refers to USA data from 2009, whereas the FT used OECD data from 2017 and came up with this picture.
Any idea what's going on there? Financial Times just talking nonsense, or perhaps a problem with the definition of 'ICU/acute care beds'?
https://www.ft.com/content/effd0dae-655f-11ea-b3f3-fe4680ea68b5
"The US and UK both have weaknesses in their healthcare systems which could trigger a collapse if the two countries experience the kind of severe coronavirus outbreak similar to Italy, a Financial Times analysis has found.
Both countries have fewer hospital beds per capita than most other western nations, the analysis shows. While the US and UK have about 2 beds per 1,000 people, Germany, by comparison has 6, while Japan has 7.8, according to the OECD."
Compared to the stat you've posted:
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i.e. what is a accute care bed vs a critical care bed
usa seems to have about 2 accute beds per 1000 or 200 per 100,000 and it then has 34.7 critical care beds per 100,000 (unsure of this is in addition to acute beds or incorporated in that figure)
Italy looks to have around 2.5 accute beds per 1000 or 250 per 100,000 and it has 12.5 critical care beds per 100,000 (again unsure if this is in addition to acute beds)
Also unsure if CV19 patients typically need acute or critical beds ... either way I dont think any country has enough for whats coming
My mum witnessed some of this herself. She was queuing at an Asda, and one guy started to remonstrate with a security guard and go off because he couldn't believe he had to queue to get into a supermarket. Treating it like some sort of affront to his freedom. He started ranting and raving, seemingly oblivious that everyone there was in the same situation as him. Cretins.
Out of curiosity, are many countries going with the 7 days of isolation he mentions rather than the 14 being mentioned elsewhere?
Seems strange to me that he says if he didn't still have symptoms he'd be out of isolation. Is it not possible to spread the virus at that point if you no longer have symptoms?
I can't see what people expect to get from it, "oh yes your right go straight to the front of the queue sir." It just isn't going to happen so why vent on somebody that's just doing the best job they can.
I do think if FG didnt do as shit as they did during the election we wouldnt be hearing how great Irelands response has been.
Pubs should have been closed earlier, there were calls weeks ago to safeguard nursing homes etc, hell they tried to stretch the pub ban to just after Paddys day until social media took hold.
We need to wake up. 15,000 test per day was always pie in the sky and if it were Boris who tried bluffing that he would be a laughing stock, especailly when our rate of testing has gone the other way.
From letting the Italian fans in for the 6 nations untested to pushing through our measures without discussion with NI when they were open to talks which caused a rift, we have been playing catchup. I think we are in for a rude awakening once the notion of pretending we are on top of it so we can laugh at the neighbours disappears.
Pubs should have been closed earlier, there were calls weeks ago to safeguard nursing homes etc, hell they tried to stretch the pub ban to just after Paddys day until social media took hold.
We need to wake up. 15,000 test per day was always pie in the sky and if it were Boris who tried bluffing that he would be a laughing stock, especailly when our rate of testing has gone the other way.
From letting the Italian fans in for the 6 nations untested to pushing through our measures without discussion with NI when they were open to talks which caused a rift, we have been playing catchup. I think we are in for a rude awakening once the notion of pretending we are on top of it so we can laugh at the neighbours disappears.
Thankfully I haven't come across any disturbance or abuse thrown at security guards regarding my shopping experiences during this lockdown but the ones out there that do are absolute selfish,ignorant cnut bags.
It's bringing out the worst in certain people, for sure.
There's an old guy who lives near me who went up to the local Tesco (which is a few miles out of the way of where he lives, he'd have no reason to be up there other than to go to Tesco, and there are 2 closer supermarkets to him) and filmed the staff reacting to him demanding to use the toilet and then uploaded it to Facebook. There's a set route in the store, and the toilets are as you come out of the checkouts, so he'd have had to go around the store, through the checkouts and then to the toilets. They were happy to let him do it, but he kicked off as if he was being vicitimised, telling them it's a shambles and whatnot, because he didn't want to walk the route.
I doubt he even needed the toilet, he just wanted to kick up a stink, because he started filming before he even spoke to someone. He was going to kick off no matter what they said.
He's been filming himself going all over the place in the last 2 weeks. He was outside Sainsburys last weekend, taking photos of everyone doing their shopping, uploading them and calling everyone hoarders.
He seemed a pretty normal guy before all this.
One of them a nurse from my home town.
Heart breaking mate. I know a few people who work in Walsall Manor Hospital (as my children go to school in that town). I myself work at The Royal Wolverhampton NHS Trust (Risk department) and I really cannot comprehend how brave front line staff are.
They don't like it up em. That's what should be done to them.
Yesterday I saw at the groceries an old man having an argument with the staff because he was told to maintain distance. He said why should he and he is not sick etc etc and kicking up a stink.
I totally agree.Heart breaking mate. I know a few people who work in Walsall Manor Hospital (as my children go to school in that town). I myself work at The Royal Wolverhampton NHS Trust (Risk department) and I really cannot comprehend how brave front line staff are.
Some people just need a little push or a spark (in this case, a global pandemic) to bring out their more unhinged tendencies. Makes them feel important, while everyone else just looks at them as the cnuts they are.
rise of about 100 or so today, gutting. It's just the start though, we're sadly going to be seeing huge numbers for a consistent period of a couple of weeks I feel before we start seeing improvements.
Probably got it off the Wish app