SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

I still don't get how Turkey didn't get the virus earlier. Istanbul airport is fecking big and I don't understand how it would spread sooner in Italy than in Istanbul for example?

For comparision, Malpensa airport in Milano had 28 mil passangers last year, Ataturk Airport had 68 mil in 2018.

Same can be said for USA though.

It did hit Turkey sooner, which is what I've been saying all along. There are direct flights from Wuhan to Istanbul. In fact - and it's all information in Turkish and I'm only hearing it second hand but will throw it out there anyway - there is now a belief that it hit Turkey as soon as December.

As for the lack of deaths, the rates of people dying from illnesses like pneumonia remained stable, meaning no alarm bells were sounded. As for why there aren't an exponential increase in deaths right now, this country's health service is actually quite good (better than the UK and Spain, in my opinion) but perhaps I'll be proven wrong if there is a sudden jump.
 
I hear you on the ”peak” thing, but an explaination if possible... where are these new cases catching the virus 3.5 weeks after full lockdown?

Is there something I’m missing?

Yes, that the late lockdowns will probably have effect after around month, and not 14 days, but even that could be questionable if not enough people was tested at begginging of the lockdown, considering the households and the virus spreading exponentially.
 
I'm guessing that it has to do with it starting in the north and everyone escaping to the south when the government started talking about lockdowns.
So the south is a few weeks behind the north and also poorer, so it might end up even worse there although you'd hope lessons were learnt from the north.
The news of the next-day lockdown was leaked somehow, if I recall. In one day, loads and loads of people travelled down the country.

The other problem is that there's massive poverty and few decent hospitals in the southern regions. It's like a different country to the north.
 
There are direct flights from Wuhan to Istanbul.

:eek:

Yep, now nothing makes sense for me. There is simply no way that it didn't affect Turkey in December already, or January the latest considering how easy it spreads in Europe even during lockdowns, and considering the number of tourists in Istanbul, and especially having the direct flight to Wuhan.

Also, there is really no way that the Turkey wouldn't notice these cases earlier. Nothing makes sense anymore.
 
Watched a Sky News hour long feature from Italy. Bleak viewing, especially how people can't say goodbye to their loved one.
 
Why are Italy still getting 5000 ish cases a day almost 4 weeks into lockdown?

Surely by now that should have dropped off a cliff?

The drop off in cases is a lot slower than the upslope, but it is now clearly slowing down. Most of the cases now are family infections as it moves through each household that has it.
 
The drop off in cases is a lot slower than the upslope, but it is now clearly slowing down. Most of the cases now are family infections as it moves through each household that has it.

I wanna be optimistic but worried it’s a little soon for that, there were a couple of good days there but the yesterday and today look a little worrisome again.
Let’s hope tomorrow is a better figure.
 
Oh Jesus is this the only kind of test available? :nervous:



I thought there was a blood test...?


So to test if you are positive/negative for Coronavirus requires a PCR test with a swab sample from the nasal cavity.

To test if you have antibodies (hence possible immunity to Coronavirus) requires an ELISA test, which is done from blood.
 
I wanna be optimistic but worried it’s a little soon for that, there were a couple of good days there but the yesterday and today look a little worrisome again.
Let’s hope tomorrow is a better figure.

What's wrong with today? It's been 4000 something new cases for 4 days now, when for the previous 10 days it was 5/6000 a day.

There is also a surge in cases in the South from all the travel and the fact they dont listen to anything the government tells them. Lombardy is dropping daily now.
 
Yes. What was localised, has become more widespread. A much larger population of people being infected at a much slower rate. The fact the daily number of cases isn’t increasing is actually quite impressive.
It's the first step. That's all we can hope for at the moment small steps.
 
So to test if you are positive/negative for Coronavirus requires a PCR test with a swab sample from the nasal cavity.

To test if you have antibodies (hence possible immunity to Coronavirus) requires an ELISA test, which is done from blood.
That is an antibody test to see if you have had it. It can't tell if you already have it.
At least you'll know that you are not a Westworld host.
Oh right, thanks for the info guys!

That looks bloody awful :(
 
It’s very speculative. And evidently the BCG vaccine is doing feck all to help in the UK.

Yeah that's true. Spain stopped administering the vaccine in 1981 so presumably a large proportion of the population would still be vaccinated.
 
Because making an enemy of footballers will take some focus off the disastrous job the government have done on the whole.

But he was asked this question from the reporter. The health minister never brought up footballers, a journalist asked if he agrees its wrong and he just replied with everyone including premier league players should do their bit.
 
Just you.
Well not just you but I would rather have a thumb prick test.

I'd prefer up my nose. I've had a gastro exam without any anesthetic or numbing and it wasn't so bad, so I can't imagine this would be either. Injection with needles on the other hand can hurt afterwards..
 
I'd prefer up my nose. I've had a gastro exam without any anesthetic or numbing and it wasn't so bad, so I can't imagine this would be either. Injection with needles on the other hand can hurt afterwards..
It's a pinprick though not a traditional injection.
More like a diabetes pinprick test.
 
Because people are trying to make themselves feel better that they voted for fecking the NHS over.

And also because some people in the NHS appreciate the community support in a trying time. For example:

Can I just say that I initially scoffed when I heard about the NHS clapping thing organised for tonight.

Hearing it tonight genuinely made me and my other half emotional. We've rarely felt valued in our jobs. Thanks to whoever did it. We joined in obviously, loved it.

Small gestures are helpful sometimes, even when they don't address the substantive issues.
 
144 hours? You sure? It took them 3 years in 2012 movie.

It seems less impressive since the UK just said...use existing structures and put hospitals in them. Chinese


Nah it's the usual sharemongering media bullshit.

Low death rate and those that succumb while it's unfortunate are, as usual, the old and infirm. It's no different to a bad flu.

At first I thought this but it’s now clearly worse. Though having said that no reason to panic!


Very unhelpfully it is now thought to spread before the infected are symptomatic.

We are at 2000 cases confirmed and 50 odd deaths. It doesn't look likely that this will be contained to me.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-51254523

I don’t think anybody realised early on that we were fecked.