they are pretty much keeping cafes etc open as well arent they - i guess essentially the heard immunity theory.
Would the smugness of cummings be worth it if it actually proved a better long term strategy than the lockdowns... probably but only just
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Would the smugness of cummings be worth it if it actually proved a better long term strategy than the lockdowns... probably but only just
He tried to crash into the Mercy because...."he had a snap"?
yeah honestly full tin foil had stuff - trying to crash a train into a hospital boat
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...nally-derailed-train-near-usns-mercy-n1174461
I think Sweden will be the hardest hit Nordic country by far. I mean, it already is, but it's going to get worse. Adjusted for population size, they have more than 3 times as many deaths as Norway.
It's a damn shame. I reckon the state epidemiologist will get fired after this.
Genuine offer chaps, we will get together and drink to better times to come.
These UK numbers are looking pretty dire after the mild optimism of last week. Tracking to exceed Italy? Pretty sure Italy's death-toll had started to curve around now, the UK's seems to be taking a near vertical trajectory.
Jeez....
Very, very Best of Luck.
Try to remember the hundreds of us on here who will be pulling for you....
Just received my letter from the NHS telling me to stay put for 12 weeks as I'm in a high risk group (asthma).
I was hospitalised last July when my lungs gave out on me. The feeling of not being able to breathe was one of the scariest things I've ever experienced.
Heed the warnings and do what you can to protect yourselves folks.
I was hospitalised last July when my lungs gave out on me. The feeling of not being able to breathe was one of the scariest things I've ever experienced.
Heed the warnings and do what you can to protect yourselves folks.
I dont think he will. He dont decide anything here, he gives advice to the gouverment and they then decide what to do. Plus, he is very popular. As a norwegian living in Stockholm for the last ten years i was in the beginning of this angry and afraid since Norway shut down and Sweden stayed open, but not anymore. Dont know why to be honest, but thats my feeling.
Very sadly it has started to spread in hospitals and elderlyhomes, and the death toll will of-course rise from this.
On another note, when this all is over, it will be interesting to see if less people dies from other diseases than normal.
Like carbon disease f.ex.
I really just wish this will go away soon, even if thats not realistic, as i fear for people around me who are older and in risk zones.
And to @Hernandez - BFA and other caf members who are infected, i wish you all a speedy recovery and hope you doing good.
They're after him because his message undercuts Trump's propaganda that the virus is not a big deal and the economy need not suffer.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...ancing-measures-ex-who-official-says-11967018
Don't want to get too carried away but any ray of hope is welcome right now.
Don't want to get too carried away but any ray of hope is welcome right now.
Heads should roll if they have messed up. But I don't see anyone of importance resigning or getting sacked because of the fiasco they led.
Can anyone see any of the leaders resigning or anyone professional getting sacked because they fecked it?
Can anyone see any of the leaders resigning or anyone professional getting sacked because they fecked it?
Nothing wrong with some positivity. The scientific experts in here would have you believe this is the apocalypse.
You know, I wouldn't even know where to go to get tested.
Our local hospital, I suppose.
But we're being instructed not to go there unless it's something which can't be cured / treated / sorted by something from the pharmacy, or unless we're actually taken there by the SAMU.
Both Frau FBR and myself are acutely aware that at our age and with us both having severely reduced immune systems from cancer treatment, catching COVID-19 is a virtual death sentence so even if I slip and break my leg or whatever, I guess I'll just have to grit my teeth like John Wayne would and wait until all this is finished before I'd even think of risking a visit to hospital.
Might be different in other towns and regions, of course.
It depends...They were always planning for this, Casualties > economic situation, where a decent number of deaths was acceptable.
All the people here who are positive you all have my prayers and best wishes and hope and pray that you recover soon.
Good Luck.
Good Luck.
Not sure that's the sort of encouragement he wants.
I know it's the Daily HateMail, but at least it's one way to amuse yourself if you're suffering from Lockdown Boredom.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...m-Klose-browsing-Pornhub-Instagram-story.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...m-Klose-browsing-Pornhub-Instagram-story.html
Seconded.
Hilarious....While you were posting that, I was posting the link to the story in The Mail....
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In France the initial issue was that the amount of labs authorized to make these type of tests were limited and the local authorities didn't want to see potentially infected people mingle with the rest of the population in standard towns labs. Since the amount of labs with the proper authorisations has been increased and by the end of the week 20k tests should be done daily with the goal to have 50k daily tests by the end of the month. Basically the story is the french legendary administration at work.
Me too. Before it kicked there but was taking hold in Italy there were a lot of Yanks saying that it had spread in Europe because of socialism and public healthcare. Honestly. I was saying to them that the type of healthcare is irrelevant. But they wouldn’t have it, insisting that their private healthcare is more than enough to deal with it and is the best in the world. Fast forward two and half weeks and what do we see? New York is being overwhelmed and it will be soon making those horrrible decisions that Italy had to make about who gets a ventilator and who doesn’t.
Stay strong Mr or is it Ms Hernandez? So many people you've never met are sending best wishes and positive energy your way and to the other heroes on the frontlines of this pandemic. It's a shame the developed world's governments took no notice of the warning that Virus X could emerge and cause unforeseen health emergencies in rich countries let alone less developed and poor ones.
I remember reading an article on this theme last year in the Telegraph. Fat lot of notice governments around the world took with of course the developed ones most to blame.
There's too much fluctuation to look purely at daily figures, but you could look at today's as the curve flattening. There were 563 new deaths reported yesterday, 569 today.
Italy had around 180 deaths per day on the 10th-12th March, 350 deaths per day on the 15th-17th March, 650 by the 20-22 March, 700 by the 25th to 27th March and around 800 by the 30th March to 1st April.
Spain had around 300 deaths per day on the 20th-22nd March, 700 deaths per day on the 25th-27th March and 850 deaths per day on the 30th March to 1st April.
The UK's still in the middle of those figures and what we know is that growth started to slow down a little after the figures the UK's reached. They've followed different trajectories and the daily figures fluctuate a lot so it's difficult to read into them too much beyond that.
The UK's daily jump from 180 deaths on the 30th March to 381 deaths on the 31st was mirrored by Italy back on the 14th (175) to 15th (368), but then it settled for a few days. Spain increased from 391 (22nd) to 539 (23rd) to 860 (24th) before stabilising. The UK saw two days of sustained increases like Spain, but it didn't accelerate again today. It might stabilise like Italy. The last two days' growth aren't very reliable predictors of the trend.
Here's how it looks since the 100th death recorded:
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with the added layer of who can pay for it i assume as i believe its around £25,000 a day to be on a ventilator - and even if you have insurance it often only covers a % of that leaving many with bills of £10,000+ and I think on average is it 12 days most spend on a ventilator if they need it - plus the other associated bills - Id guess $half a million is not out of the question per person - gonna be a lot of people filing for bankruptcy I think - and presumably a lot of hospitals chasing relatives of the dead for money... perhaps our socialist healthcare wont seem so bad then?
Yo, take care mate. You can beat this. Come back next week and tell us you beat it
Couldn’t have put it better myself.
Couple of things here @Uncle Bob and @OleBoiii
Report coming out on Svt today that a large proportion of those who have died are from the Somali community. Living in apartments with several generations and theories that a Friday prayer at Mosque kicked it all off a few weeks back. Järla is the hardest hit area in all of Sweden, 90% in that area from an immigrant background.
It fecking awful
Here's a report from a few days ago, https://www.garoweonline.com/en/new...of-coronavirus-in-sweden-than-any-other-group. Think Svt will be releasing their report later.As for Tegnell getting fired, first off Stockholm's sportlov (sport school holdiday) was the very week it all kicked off in Italy, when sportlov started, there was just 229 cases in all of Italy, by the end of sportlov they had 1700 and it was going up like a NASA rocket.
As you guys both know, Swedes use that week to go skiing in the alps, we know for certain that Stockholm brought home shitloads of Covid-19 from that week, so who knows where Sweden, Denmark and Norway were on the 2nd March with regards to total numbers of infected. Could people really have predicted that Italy would explode like that? Maybe? But surely you see how unlucky that week and timing was for Stockholm?
Secondly, Tegnell isn't a one man show, the entire folkhälsomyndighet are making the calls, they actually brought out the big chief the other day due to comments like yours because he was flabbergasted that people who treating it like a small firm with one bloke calling the shots.
Will lots of people die in Sweden, yes, but they will in Denmark too by the end of this (and Germany, Belgium Holland etc etc etc etc), no question. Norway, might just have done enough early enough to chase it down, but time will tell, I'm extremely interested to see what happens there after lockdown and the Norwegian plan. Fingers crossed. People are still looking so short term at this and the numbers, it'll likely be going for months and months.
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561 deaths increase from yesterday in UK.
The number of deaths from coronavirus have now been broken down across the UK.
In England, the figure has reached 2,698, up by 561 from yesterday.
NHS England said the patients were aged between 22 and 100, with 44 of those 561 - who were aged between 25 and 100 - having no known underlying health conditions.
In Scotland, 126 patients have now died - up by 50 from yesterday.
In Wales, the total number of deaths is now 117 - a rise of 19.
And in Northern Ireland, a further six people have died - bringing the total to 36
The number of deaths from coronavirus have now been broken down across the UK.
In England, the figure has reached 2,698, up by 561 from yesterday.
NHS England said the patients were aged between 22 and 100, with 44 of those 561 - who were aged between 25 and 100 - having no known underlying health conditions.
In Scotland, 126 patients have now died - up by 50 from yesterday.
In Wales, the total number of deaths is now 117 - a rise of 19.
And in Northern Ireland, a further six people have died - bringing the total to 36
Yep. I'm amazed it's taken this long for the media as one to realise how important testing is. Criminal mass testing wasn't ready when we went into lockdown particuarly as Hancock actually said in the commons in mid January the U.K were ready with plenty of testing equipment!
Real insult very small % of NHS workers have been tested so far, nevermind general population.
Why does Africa look relatively unaffected - you would have thought with inter generational living and some quite crowded conditions in cities that it would take hold quite quickly there?
Just behind the infection curve in timeline or mass under reporting (possibly due to lack of testing?) - or is there another reason (average age / demographic being lower?)
Just behind the infection curve in timeline or mass under reporting (possibly due to lack of testing?) - or is there another reason (average age / demographic being lower?)
Less travel to/from I'd imagine.
Wanted to remind everyone that there are people out there who are trying to take advantage of the situation to commit fraud.
Be careful out there.
https://www.interpol.int/en/News-an...L-warns-of-financial-fraud-linked-to-COVID-19
https://www.antifraudcentre-centreantifraude.ca/features-vedette/2020/covid-19-eng.htm
Be careful out there.
https://www.interpol.int/en/News-an...L-warns-of-financial-fraud-linked-to-COVID-19
https://www.antifraudcentre-centreantifraude.ca/features-vedette/2020/covid-19-eng.htm
Yep there's an article on the BBC that also gives a different view of things.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-51979654
"Many people who die of Covid [the disease caused by coronavirus] would have died anyway within a short period," he says.
Knowing exactly how many is impossible to tell at this stage.
Prof Neil Ferguson, the lead modeller at Imperial College London, has suggested it could be up to two-thirds."
Well, here in Japan the Prime Minister Mr Abe has said his goverment will send two cloth masks to every household...........that's the sum-total of the Japanese Governments' new announcement of ways to help Japanese citizens, not sure about foreign residents as apparently we don't count most of the time despite being taxpayers and believe me the taxes here are quite sizeable on modest incomes, with none of the benefits you get in a relatively high taxing country.
I do get the right to pay the Japanese national health insurance each month which is higher than my private health insurance back home. I've never used it here, never had to, but if I ever have to go to hospital here I am expected to bring everything including utensils, bedding, etc. Plus pay more for anything done to me.
I am not eligible to apply for any unemployment benefits despite paying sizeable taxes, there is no financial relief available if I lose work during this pandemic. Nothing.
Australia is fast tracking welfare payments for those who have lost their jobs or been downsized plus economic stimulus payments for the rest. Not the neo fascists running Japan - not joking here, most of the govt members plus the so called 'independent' female Governor of Tokyo Yurika Koike are members of a right wing group called Nippon Kaigi. It's like a govt within the government. It'd be like the present Tory Govt including Boris Johnson being members of a group similar to the BNP.
The Japanese Govt blew our money and future monies on the Olympic Games. In addition to two cloth masks, remembering WHO has made statements discouraging their use, they talked about giving fish and beef vouchers worth around 12,000 yen or around 120 dollars Oz to each household. No financial relief for those who lost their jobs or are losing work as we write. No payments - only to the usual corporations they favour. Probably foreign residents not tied to Japanese partners officially will miss out on even the masks.
During the financial crisis around 10 years ago or so, a lot of foreigners didn't receive one yen in the stimulus payment of yes, about 12,000 yen supposedly to every household, unless they were married to a Japanese partner. Apparently non-married to a Japanese foreigners exist when they are hit up for taxes but not when something could be received from them.
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