SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

[Snafu17]

Definitely agree that the measures will be lifted gradually. There's been talk here of schools re-opening first (as soon as after the Easter holidays is on table right now, which is April 19th), then employees getting back to work again (mid-May?) and pubs/bars/restaurants will be opened lastly (rightfully so). Regarding mass events like festivals, can't see them taking place anymore in summer or even behind that in 2020. At this point I'd be delighted to be able to throw a legal garden party or BBQ in July or August with my friends.

Our (Slovenia's) government has been indicating that they'll be going in the opposite direction. The logic behind it being that the kids are effective spreaders. So imagine the schools won't be the first thing to open. I assume the public transport (it's been suspended here for a couple of weeks now) and non-essential businesses will be the first thing to restart. Any sort of events/mass gatherings will be banned for quite a while.

 

[Kentonio]

If it was actually anything of value then I'd agree, but it's a toxic, acidic literal dump that happens to have turned a nice colour through sheer chance of all the rubbish corroding in it.

Ah! Didn’t know that! I’d never heard of the place, it just came up on a news story and looked like they had been polluting a natural beauty spot.

 

[Smores]

I do find it 'amusing' to see the Fox News Daily Mail lot suddenly worried about people potentially being in poverty. Such a caring bunch who knew!

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

How is it possible that planes full of people are arriving in the UK with absolutely no screening whatsoever?

Aren’t you on lockdown? If someone has a temperature, what are you gonna do with them?

 

[Shane88]

17 more people dead in Ireland.

Disappointing leap from yesterday.

Is there any stats available for us regarding the age of those dying?

 

[sullydnl]

Disappointing leap from yesterday.

Is there any stats available for us regarding the age of those dying?

They said the median age of that 17 was 84 anyway.

 

[Revan]

The UK is failing on testing. The US is testing daily near as much as the UK has tested in total. The number of deaths in the US is twice as high, but the official number of infected people is 7 times as high. The US has much more infected people than claiming.

 

[Klopper76]

Horrible news.

 

[Rado_N]

Aren’t you on lockdown? If someone has a temperature, what are you gonna do with them?

Isolate them beyond the current basic guidance. The vast majority of transmission in China was inside households.

 

[17 Van der Gouw]

Yeah there's no way this sort of stuff could back fire on us in the future. I mean I'm sure handing over more powers to the police has throughout history being a perfectly fine thing to do. The fact is not everyone has a good relationship with the police(Even though I live in tory land central, my local force are sadly bell ends of the highest order). I get that you're scared but come on.

Except we've done it repeatedly during times of crisis, and in fairness this is an unprecedented situation which requires unique and extreme measures. It's nothing to do with 'being scared' - the public is an ass, this has been proven repeatedly in recent weeks with 'muh leisure time' incidents. This is about keeping people off of hospital venitlators, it couldn't really be any more serious; but sure, you just carry on with your vacuuous sweeping statements about your local constabulary.

We're asking the impossible of a police force who in the main has shown restraint and only used the legislation as a last resort, then criticising them because people can't follow rules and common sense.

 

[Stanley Road]

Does the employer pay the sick leave Stan?

Our insurance companies do at the end of the day

 

[Alabaster Codify7]

Johnson&Johnson is now "cautiously optimistic" to have a vaccine ready at the start of 2021, so might be significantly less than 12-18 months.

I also don't think the strict lockdown will last anywhere near 6 months tbh. Social distancing could probably be a thing for the rest of the year or so but the economy and people working will pick up again before summer.

Totally agree. By early summer, things will be slowly getting back to 'normal' - very slowly, but happening nonetheless.

Honestly, if the plan was to have the world in lockdown for 12-18months, we may as well all just walk outside and roll the dice now because I'll tell you something - there won't be a world left to fecking save. The entire world economy and everything that goes with it will disintegrate, there will be no jobs to go back to for anyone, the planet would essentially be back to medieval times. Hand to mouth.

It is never in a million years going to happen. I would bet anything I have (which isnt a great deal to be fair) on society beginning to return to normal by June - slowly but steadily.

 

[Dve]

In a new report from Imperial College, the Corona virus is estimated to be 6.6 times more deadly than the flu. This means that 0.66% of people infected (included those with no symptoms) will die, which is a significant lower death rate than first feared. The chance to die rapidly raises with age, however, and among those older then 80, the death rate is estimated to be 13.4%, and 8.6% in the age group 70-79.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30243-7/fulltext

The study correlates with another study from Harvard:

https://files.springernature.com/ge...aTKxnHnehRLWlPX4GFr8c6Vbi+yE4hgPzCu7ffaQiUg==

 

[Sweet Square]

Except we've done it repeatedly during times of crisis,

And it's back fired repeatedly. Again we are talking about a institution with a awful awful track record.

This is about keeping people off of hospital venitlators, it couldn't really be any more serious;

Yeah people going for dog walk or shops selling easter eggs isn't the reason for the crisis of hospital ventilators(Maybe you should be asking why we have a shortage of hospital ventilators in the first place ?)The vast majority of the public are following the current government guide lines.

We're asking the impossible of a police force who in the main has shown restraint and only used the legislation as a last resort, then criticising them because people can't follow rules and common sense.

I might get you're complaint if people were actively advocating for stopping the police force working or advocating people go against officers but no one is doing that. People are simply criticising a government institution that has historical abused it's power for recent bizarre abuses of power. Again you need to think of the bigger picture.

 

[Skills]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52095331

Rather than a novel app, surely it's easier to get android/apple and the network providers to do this? They already have the capability sitting there already and are much better at it. Maps for instance wherever I've been, how much traffic there is on my way to work etc.

I think eventually, they'll have to roll out something like a "pass" for if you've been clear for X number of weeks. They'll have to increase testing capacity to do this, but I imagine you can test kids in school every month or so (stagger who gets tested over the course of a month). Employees who have to be in office/site can also be tested every X number of weeks. It gives you a decent shot of finding as many cases as you can.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

How is it possible that planes full of people are arriving in the UK with absolutely no screening whatsoever?

Is that fact? And even if it is they'll be told to follow the same strict guidelines we all are doing right now anyway.

 

[redshaw]

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United Kingdom Dates​	UK Deaths​	Italy Dates​	Italy Deaths​	Spain Dates​	Spain Deaths​	France Dates​	France Deaths​	Germany Dates​	Germany Deaths​	USA Dates​	USA Deaths​
Mar 8th​	3​	Feb-23rd​	3​	Mar 5th​	3​	Mar 2nd​	3​	Mar 11th​	3​	Mar 1st​	2​
Mar 9th​	5​	Feb 24th​	7​	Mar 6th​	8​	Mar 3rd​	4​	Mar 12th​	5​	Mar 2nd​	6​
Mar 10th​	6​	Feb 25th​	11​	Mar 7th​	10​	Mar 4th​	4​	Mar 13th​	8​	Mar 3rd​	9​
Mar 11th​	8​	Feb 26th​	12​	Mar 8th​	17​	Mar 5th​	7​	Mar 14th​	8​	Mar 4th​	11​
Mar 12th​	10​	Feb 27th​	17​	Mar 9th​	30​	Mar 6th​	9​	Mar 15th​	12​	Mar 5th​	11​
Mar 13th​	11​	Feb 28th​	21​	Mar 10th​	36​	Mar 7th​	16​	Mar 16th​	12​	Mar 6th​	14​
Mar 14th​	21​	Feb 29th​	29​	Mar 11th​	55​	Mar 8th​	19​	Mar 17th​	12​	Mar 7th​	19​
Mar 15th​	35​	Mar 1st​	41​	Mar 12th​	86​	Mar 9th​	30​	Mar 18th​	12​	Mar 8th​	21​
Mar 16th​	55​	Mar 2nd​	52​	Mar 13th​	133​	Mar 10th​	33​	Mar 19th​	20​	Mar 9th​	26​
Mar 17th​	71​	Mar 3rd​	79​	Mar 14th​	196​	Mar 11th​	48​	Mar 20th​	31​	Mar 10th​	31​
Mar 18th​	104​	Mar 4th​	107​	Mar 15th​	294​	Mar 12th​	61​	Mar 21st​	47​	Mar 11th​	37​
Mar 19th​	144​	Mar 5th​	148​	Mar 16th​	342​	Mar 13th​	79​	Mar-22nd​	55​	Mar 12th​	41​
Mar 20th​	177​	Mar 6th​	197​	Mar 17th​	533​	Mar 14th​	91​	Mar 23rd​	86​	Mar 13th​	49​
Mar 21st​	233​	Mar 7th​	233​	Mar 18th​	638​	Mar 15th​	127​	Mar 24th​	114​	Mar 14th​	55​
Mar 22nd​	281​	Mar 8th​	366​	Mar 19th​	833​	Mar 16th​	148​	Mar 25th​	149​	Mar 15th​	62​
Mar 23rd​	335​	Mar 9th​	463​	Mar 20th​	1,093​	Mar 17th​	175​	Mar 26th​	198​	Mar 16th​	76​
Mar 24th​	422​	Mar 10th​	631​	Mar 21st​	1,381​	Mar 18th​	244​	Mar 27th​	253​	Mar 17th​	97​
Mar 25th​	468​	Mar 11th​	827​	Mar 22nd​	1,813​	Mar 19th​	372​	Mar 28th​	325​	Mar 18th​	123​
Mar 26th​	578​	Mar 12th​	1,016​	Mar 23rd​	2,207​	Mar 20th​	450​	Mar 29th​	389​	Mar19th​	175​
Mar 27th​	759​	Mar 13th​	1,266​	Mar 24th​	2,696​	Mar 21st​	562​	Mar 30th​	455​	Mar 20th​	230​
Mar 28th​	1,019​	Mar 14th​	1,441​	Mar 25th​	3,434​	Mar 22nd​	674​	Mar 31st​	600​	Mar 21st​	298​
Mar 29th​	1,228​	Mar 15th​	1,809​	Mar 26th​	4,145​	Mar 23rd​	860​	​	​	Mar 22nd​	408​
Mar 30th​	1,408​	Mar 16th​	2,158​	Mar 27th​	4,858​	Mar 24th​	1100​	​	​	Mar 23rd​	519​
Mar 31st​	1,789​	Mar 17th​	2,503​	Mar 28th​	5,690​	Mar 25th​	1331​	​	​	Mar 24th​	681​
​	​	Mar 18th​	2,978​	Mar 29th​	6,528​	Mar 26th​	1,696​	​	​	Mar 25th​	906​
​	​	Mar 19th​	3,405​	Mar 30th​	7,340​	Mar 27th​	1,995​	​	​	Mar 26th​	1,159​
​	​	Mar 20th​	4,032​	Mar 31st​	8,189​	Mar 28th​	2,314​	​	​	Mar 27th​	1,592​
​	​	Mar 21st​	4,825​	​	​	Mar 29th​	2,606​	​	​	Mar 28th​	2,039​
​	​	Mar 22nd​	5,475​	​	​	Mar 30th​	3,024​	​	​	Mar 29th​	2,452​
​	​	Mar 23rd​	6,077​	​	​	Mar 31st​	3,523​	​	​	Mar 30th​	2,968​
​	​	Mar 24th​	6,820​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​

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France had a 499 jump today.

 

[Lj82]

And this from California, translated from La Repubblica:

The American health care system is truly immoral.

 

[T00lsh3d]

I hadn't noticed that before, the spacing is bizarre, 500, similar to the 1000 above, then the top 5000 basically the same again.

It makes the graph next to useless, as it elongates and stretches the lines at varying points.

I assume this is done to fit it into a space usable on the Internet, but it looks like it's agenda driven to make some countries look worse etc...

Edit: I'm sure it does have its uses, but for general comparison of progression it makes it pretty difficult

I subscribe to the ft and have a high opinion of it generally, but that graph is shite, particularly from a financially-orientated institution

 

[Shane88]

The American health care system is truly immoral.

It's easy to put this on a faceless system. But I really want to see what the decision-making is like first-hand in these situations.

Does an accountant come down from their office and say "tough shit, kid"? Does a doctor tell them "No money, unlucky."? I suppose they're in isolation and they won't go into the room and just gave the kid the *empty pockets* gesture from a window as he was clawing for breath.

What a disgusting country.

 

[Lj82]

Surely the China numbers look less and less likely? But I fully acknolwedge that I have no facts to back it up but more of logical conclusion, stepping into conspiracy theories.

Without going into conspiracy theories, in the initial couple of months when wuhan spiralled out of control and before they ramped up production of test kits, patients had to wait more than a month to get tested. This include even medical professionals like the famous doctor Li who died. Many people died before they got tested, and they dont make it to the statistics. There were also many people who gave up seeking treatment in hospitals because they were overwhelmed. They too won't make the statistics.

 

[11101]

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United Kingdom Dates​	UK Deaths​	Italy Dates​	Italy Deaths​	Spain Dates​	Spain Deaths​	France Dates​	France Deaths​	Germany Dates​	Germany Deaths​	USA Dates​	USA Deaths​
Mar 8th​	3​	Feb-23rd​	3​	Mar 5th​	3​	Mar 2nd​	3​	Mar 11th​	3​	Mar 1st​	2​
Mar 9th​	5​	Feb 24th​	7​	Mar 6th​	8​	Mar 3rd​	4​	Mar 12th​	5​	Mar 2nd​	6​
Mar 10th​	6​	Feb 25th​	11​	Mar 7th​	10​	Mar 4th​	4​	Mar 13th​	8​	Mar 3rd​	9​
Mar 11th​	8​	Feb 26th​	12​	Mar 8th​	17​	Mar 5th​	7​	Mar 14th​	8​	Mar 4th​	11​
Mar 12th​	10​	Feb 27th​	17​	Mar 9th​	30​	Mar 6th​	9​	Mar 15th​	12​	Mar 5th​	11​
Mar 13th​	11​	Feb 28th​	21​	Mar 10th​	36​	Mar 7th​	16​	Mar 16th​	12​	Mar 6th​	14​
Mar 14th​	21​	Feb 29th​	29​	Mar 11th​	55​	Mar 8th​	19​	Mar 17th​	12​	Mar 7th​	19​
Mar 15th​	35​	Mar 1st​	41​	Mar 12th​	86​	Mar 9th​	30​	Mar 18th​	12​	Mar 8th​	21​
Mar 16th​	55​	Mar 2nd​	52​	Mar 13th​	133​	Mar 10th​	33​	Mar 19th​	20​	Mar 9th​	26​
Mar 17th​	71​	Mar 3rd​	79​	Mar 14th​	196​	Mar 11th​	48​	Mar 20th​	31​	Mar 10th​	31​
Mar 18th​	104​	Mar 4th​	107​	Mar 15th​	294​	Mar 12th​	61​	Mar 21st​	47​	Mar 11th​	37​
Mar 19th​	144​	Mar 5th​	148​	Mar 16th​	342​	Mar 13th​	79​	Mar-22nd​	55​	Mar 12th​	41​
Mar 20th​	177​	Mar 6th​	197​	Mar 17th​	533​	Mar 14th​	91​	Mar 23rd​	86​	Mar 13th​	49​
Mar 21st​	233​	Mar 7th​	233​	Mar 18th​	638​	Mar 15th​	127​	Mar 24th​	114​	Mar 14th​	55​
Mar 22nd​	281​	Mar 8th​	366​	Mar 19th​	833​	Mar 16th​	148​	Mar 25th​	149​	Mar 15th​	62​
Mar 23rd​	335​	Mar 9th​	463​	Mar 20th​	1,093​	Mar 17th​	175​	Mar 26th​	198​	Mar 16th​	76​
Mar 24th​	422​	Mar 10th​	631​	Mar 21st​	1,381​	Mar 18th​	244​	Mar 27th​	253​	Mar 17th​	97​
Mar 25th​	468​	Mar 11th​	827​	Mar 22nd​	1,813​	Mar 19th​	372​	Mar 28th​	325​	Mar 18th​	123​
Mar 26th​	578​	Mar 12th​	1,016​	Mar 23rd​	2,207​	Mar 20th​	450​	Mar 29th​	389​	Mar19th​	175​
Mar 27th​	759​	Mar 13th​	1,266​	Mar 24th​	2,696​	Mar 21st​	562​	Mar 30th​	455​	Mar 20th​	230​
Mar 28th​	1,019​	Mar 14th​	1,441​	Mar 25th​	3,434​	Mar 22nd​	674​	Mar 31st​	600​	Mar 21st​	298​
Mar 29th​	1,228​	Mar 15th​	1,809​	Mar 26th​	4,145​	Mar 23rd​	860​	​	​	Mar 22nd​	408​
Mar 30th​	1,408​	Mar 16th​	2,158​	Mar 27th​	4,858​	Mar 24th​	1100​	​	​	Mar 23rd​	519​
Mar 31st​	1,789​	Mar 17th​	2,503​	Mar 28th​	5,690​	Mar 25th​	1331​	​	​	Mar 24th​	681​
​	​	Mar 18th​	2,978​	Mar 29th​	6,528​	Mar 26th​	1,696​	​	​	Mar 25th​	906​
​	​	Mar 19th​	3,405​	Mar 30th​	7,340​	Mar 27th​	1,995​	​	​	Mar 26th​	1,159​
​	​	Mar 20th​	4,032​	Mar 31st​	8,189​	Mar 28th​	2,314​	​	​	Mar 27th​	1,592​
​	​	Mar 21st​	4,825​	​	​	Mar 29th​	2,606​	​	​	Mar 28th​	2,039​
​	​	Mar 22nd​	5,475​	​	​	Mar 30th​	3,024​	​	​	Mar 29th​	2,452​
​	​	Mar 23rd​	6,077​	​	​	Mar 31st​	3,523​	​	​	Mar 30th​	2,968​
​	​	Mar 24th​	6,820​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​

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France had a 499 jump today.

It would be interesting to see that table rebased to 50 or 100 deaths. Some countries were just trickling early on, only after about 50 can you really say it gets out of control.

 

[Lj82]

It's easy to put this on a faceless system. But I really want to see what the decision-making is like first-hand in these situations.

Does an accountant come down from their office and say "tough shit, kid"? Does a doctor tell them "No money, unlucky."? I suppose they're in isolation and they won't go into the room and just gave the kid the *empty pockets* gesture from a window as he was clawing for breath.

What a disgusting country.

Not Corona virus related but I had a taste of that when I wanted to bring my son in for a checkup. I called and even though we do have insurance, we are "out of network", hence they won't admit him.

I was like wtf?

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

Not really any need to be so passive aggressive, it is being shared liberally across all education levels, on social media. It isn't being shared across people 'that understand it' and is misleading when glanced at, which is what 90% of people looking at it will do.

This has already been talked about above, and I've conceded that it is useful in the right place, or when explained.

Unless it's escaped your notice, we're on a football forum, where the majority of people aren't going to go away and start 'educating themselves' about every single graph or table that comes their way. If we were on a medics forum or a statistics forum then maybe.

You know nothing about me, or my background, but we're both reading this info on redcafe. Generally information is provided at the readers level, so that it is understood. Anyone sharing info above the average readers level, without explanation is either purposefully misleading the audience, or just a very poor communicator.

Obviously there are many levels of intellect or understanding on here, and on twitter, but when someone misinterprets what has been shared, why not just explain? Or indeed note that it already has been explained by posters before you, instead of flogging a dead horse, for no other reason than to stroke your own ego, and show everyone how much smarter you are than the rest of us.

The graph obviously is a very useful tool for those that know how to use it properly, the fact is though that 99% of people won't know how to use it properly, and it being shared so freely is confusing at best for the majority that see it.

I guess I'm fortunate, I've studied statistics, economics and econometrics etc so I can read up on it properly and learn how to interpret it properly. But a lot of people won't have that understanding, and certainly won't want to spend the time trying.

Edit: I've replied to your other comment. I've been a bit less defensive in that one

I have zero ego. I wasn’t being a dick or passive aggressive. Just sensible.

Don’t suggest that pandering to the lowest common denominator is sensible in a time like this. It’s not. People can understand this shit.

 

[hp88]

Horrible news.

Clear message to those who think they will survive this because they're young, fit and health.

 

[Penna]

It's easy to put this on a faceless system. But I really want to see what the decision-making is like first-hand in these situations.

Does an accountant come down from their office and say "tough shit, kid"? Does a doctor tell them "No money, unlucky."? I suppose they're in isolation and they won't go into the room and just gave the kid the *empty pockets* gesture from a window as he was clawing for breath.

What a disgusting country.

From my limited experience, they don't get past the front desk if they don't have the right insurance. I did a study trip to various USA hospitals when I was working, and all of them looked like posh hotels with lovely private rooms - however, a lot of people never get into those places. I remember coming back and seeing our rather ordinary NHS hospital, and thinking how the patients would prefer to have this for no cost every time they needed care.

 

[T00lsh3d]

The Catholic church has 1.2 billion members and our churches are closed. We're managing fine. I think this pastor is probably a) bonkers or b) worried that his source of income will dry up.

My mum is Catholic so I know they’re not all bonkers.....though she definitely is
Income is a worry everywhere, but if he’s surviving on donations then he can ask for online donations maybe? I suspect, given the ‘virus-zapping machines, that he’s just bonkers

 

[Dve]

Positive news from Scandinavia:

Norway:

- For the second time in the last 4 days, the number of people hospitalised is going down from one day to another. The number of people on ventilators are stable.
https://www.nrk.no/norge/nedgang-i-antall-koronainnlagte_-for-andre-gang-pa-fire-dager-1.14966837

- The football clubs are allowed to start up training again from tomorrow (in small groups).
https://www.vg.no/sport/fotball/i/8m86gG/niso-advarer-eliteserieklubbene-etter-nye-treningsraad

Denmark:

- The earlier prognosis for people hospitalised in Denmark turn out not to be matching the actual numbers. The grey curve in the first figure shows the prognosis, the red curve shows the actual numbers.

https://files.ssi.dk/Prognose for epidemiens fremtidige udvikling 30032020

 

[TheReligion]

I'm sorry to hear that. Have you been briefed to act any differently today?

Honestly it's a terrible way to treat you. The NHS is being rightly and unanimously praised, meanwhile the police are continuing to risk contracting Covid whilst having to deal with the normal hazards and dangers of policing at the same time, yet people are shitting on them for doing their best in a very difficult situation.

For what it's worth, I'm grateful. Cheers.

I've been off the past two days but back tomorrow so we shall see. In fairness the brief from the word go as been to exhaust every option before looking to enforce so not sure how else this can be looked at other than just not bothering to actively do anything (it seems some would rather this).

Thanks for the support. In fairness we've had plenty of well wishers I guess it is just frustrating when you get home and put the tv on only to see the media, and others, are seemingly trying to whip up some kind of anti police sentiment which we can all really do without.

 

[Pexbo]

I realise this is the most first world of problems right now but are anyone else’s hands absolutely ruined at the moment?

 

[11101]

Horrible news.

Hasnt there been a few very young victims in the UK now? Odd considering there has only been 1 under 20 fatality in China and Italy combined so far.

 

[Scrumpet]

I realise this is the most first world of problems right now but are anyone else’s hands absolutely ruined at the moment?

Would you say you're concerned about the dermatitis?

 

[Fully Fledged]

Well not when you consider that a large chunk of those deaths would by all accounts over Europe, be part of those overall death statistics at the end of the year regardless.

It's still 25% of the daily deaths whether they would have died by the end of the year or not, they probably wouldn't have died yesterday.

 

[Dve]

Hasnt there been a few very young victims in the UK now? Odd considering there has only been 1 under 20 fatality in China and Italy combined so far.

Very few cases world wide. It happens young people die from the seasonal flu as well.

 

[Port Vale Devil]

I realise this is the most first world of problems right now but are anyone else’s hands absolutely ruined at the moment?

They were but I am only going out once a day to pick a few things up for ourselves and an elderly neighbour so only use the sanitiser a couple of times a day now whereas at home it is soap and water. I was using some hand cream that a mate gets on prescription that he swapped me for some home made sanitiser

 

[LordNinio]

I have zero ego. I wasn’t being a dick or passive aggressive. Just sensible.

Don’t suggest that pandering to the lowest common denominator is sensible in a time like this. It’s not. People can understand this shit.

I apologised (sort of) for being so defensive in that reply, but this conversation has been done to death above, so I'm not getting drawn in again.

 

[Maagge]

Our (Slovenia's) government has been indicating that they'll be going in the opposite direction. The logic behind it being that the kids are effective spreaders. So imagine the schools won't be the first thing to open. I assume the public transport (it's been suspended here for a couple of weeks now) and non-essential businesses will be the first thing to restart. Any sort of events/mass gatherings will be banned for quite a while.

The thing is though that you cannot really get people back to work when there kids can't get out of the house.
Although I guess that would ensure a slow introduction of people to work again.

 

[MTF]

It's easy to put this on a faceless system. But I really want to see what the decision-making is like first-hand in these situations.

Does an accountant come down from their office and say "tough shit, kid"? Does a doctor tell them "No money, unlucky."? I suppose they're in isolation and they won't go into the room and just gave the kid the *empty pockets* gesture from a window as he was clawing for breath.

What a disgusting country.

It was apparently an urgent-care clinic that wouldn't see him without insurance, but did indicate the hospital he should go to. He went to said hospital and got treatment but unfortunately passed away 6 hours after being admitted. The urgent-care clinic not seeing him was probably just due to procedure. Despite the name, when you go to one of them its not an emergency room situation. They ask for your info and insurance before you get an examination. When I went to one a couple of years ago with stomach issues and a high fever, they saw me but recommended that I go to a hospital ER, and offered to call an ambulance for me. What seems to have lacked in this situation was stabilizing the kid and calling an ambulance. They incur no cost for calling the ambulance, but I guess might be potentially liable for giving any form of treatment to someone they don't have the info on.

A face to it? In this case would imagine a front desk person that's overworked for the past few weeks, stressed about their own risk of contracting coronavirus, and not willing to go outside of their limited job description at that time. I think that one of the worst issues in the US is the whole malpractice lawsuits issue that has put so many professionals/services in a situation where they're afraid of later getting sued, more than willing to help out people that they're able to help.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-uninsured-teen-dies-refused-care-mayor-says-2020-3

 

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Has that been confirmed? That would be interesting information to find out.

I was going on the post that said that 1500 people die on average in the UK in a day. 393 is actually 26% of 1500 so that makes up more than 25% of the average daily total. If the 1500 is wrong then my maths would be wrong.

 

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Would you say you're concerned about the dermatitis?

Just being a wimp, they’re dry as nun‘s sense of humour.

They were but I am only going out once a day to pick a few things up for ourselves and an elderly neighbour so only use the sanitiser a couple of times a day now whereas at home it is soap and water. I was using some hand cream that a mate gets on prescription that he swapped me for some home made sanitiser

We’ve not been able to get hold of any hand soaps, liquid or bars for ages so it’s been a combination of fairy liquid and hand sanitiser which has absolutely destroyed my hands. I’m using E45 now but it’s not doing much.