You gave a me a pretext to share what the police does in Burkina when you don't respect the curfew.
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You gave a me a pretext to share what the police does in Burkina when you don't respect the curfew.
In normal times I frequently travel by car to walk in the hills and the Derbyshire police action and publicity certainly brought it home to me that I shouldn't. Well done Derbyshire police.
By 2050, every household will have a ventilator, if these new viruses keep cropping up to threaten humanity.
What? There's a difference of about 150 thousand confirmed cases.
UK catching up to the US overnight it seems.
Just hearing that Chris Cuomo of CNN has Covid-19
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/31/media/chris-cuomo-coronavirus/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/31/media/chris-cuomo-coronavirus/index.html
You gave a me a pretext to share what the police does in Burkina when you don't respect the curfew.
And in Kenya police have shot and killed a 13 year old boy whilst enforcing curfew. It sounds like they fired live rounds and a stray bullet hit the boy sadly.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-africa-47639452
People who say that the cure is worse than the disease must be forgetting that thousands are dying and hospitals are at the breaking point right now, with the measures we've taken. With no measures, it would be worse, and it would be getting much worse (and Sweden might be an example if lighter measures, but there are still fairly strict measures that would have dire consequences for the economy anyway). This isn't a choice between strict measures and recession, because the recession would be happening anyway. Do you think everyone would be going on holiday? Going out to shop?
Damn , best of luck my man. Wishing you and her the best possible scenarioEdit: the hospital housekeeper who goes into every breakroom etc. around my wife's ICU has tested positive.
I guess now it isn't an if, but a when
This person might have infected the entire fecking unit
This is why the government's actions need to be from the bottom up. If we repeat a 2008 style bailout of the richest and largest corporations from the top-down there will be much bigger disasters. We have to move away from "socialism for the rich, wild west, laissez-faire capitalism for the poor"
What will always stun me about this virus is the variety of reaction there is to it, from people not feeling anything or slightly ill to those suffering immensely before dying.
Bongs.
I know researchers are looking for a genetic component to this but I wonder if a lot of the variance could be due to the infectious dose received. There’s been a couple of papers on this and it may perhaps explain why medical practitioners seem more likely to get severe disease.
I honestly don't know what the best solution would be, but that's why the world leaders have so much information at their disposal and so many experts who could analyse the different scenarios and outcomes. They should have been prepared and they must take immediate actions to find a global consensus on what the best measures are for both the current time and for the future. The Western world especially is not prepared to go back to a different lifestyle. I even predict that this crisis will lead back to the usage of raw materials that heavily pollute the ecosystem, because it would be cheaper and more effective, which again will go against the whole new Western policy that was paving the way for cleaner energy production.
What I'm certain of is that in such critical events, the most rich and powerful always use the moment to solidify their positions, whilst the rest suffer sometimes irreversible losses.
You gave a me a pretext to share what the police does in Burkina when you don't respect the curfew.
I guess when the inevitable social unrest in poor areas and regions begins, you guys would advocate for the military to step in.
Apparently young, healthy people have suffered a bit as well. Dybala and Gary Lineker's son both reported feeling out of breath within minutes of doing anything physical.
Agreed. It's why I think a different approach is going to be needed after the next 3-4 weeks.
The scandinavians should be exempted from being an example of how civilized people can be, they're a special breed there.
To put things in some perspective though, 1500 people die in the UK every single day on average.
Yeah I was using Sweden as an example trying to explain this to someone I work withbthe other day, but they just don't want to get it.
I'm not sure of the full picture either but from what I can tell there's little evidence so far that lock down measures are helping that much compared to the approach in Sweden. Last I checked the percentage of people confirmed as testing positive in Sweden was higher than here, yet the percentage of deaths much lower. Which if that continues suggests it's already the measures being taken killing people as much as the virus.
I think there will be big problems in Italy and I think bigger ones here in a couple of months. Potentially rioting. Because governments are fumbling along and will try to paint it as a victory when this all starts to ease off, which won't go down well when people still can't get food, healthcare, or find their job doesn't magically come back. Also when information starts to come out that contradicts the information that was given by the government...Which will happen as it's already clear some of what the UK Government have told people was very wide of the mark.
It comes back to what I said to @TheReligion there is a much higher level of trust in the system where you are than here, in no small part because there is a much higher level of competency in the system there than here.
It's really pissed me off, along with that Lord trying to get his name in the media by piping up about it.
Do people think any of us actually enjoy being in work at the moment? Having to deal with people suspected of having the virus, those that have died in the community and going into house after house dealing with other incidents placing ourselves and our loved ones at risk? We'd love to work from home, protect our families and keep ourselves out of harm's way yet we have a job to do like other key workers. This bizarre criticism will damage morale.
All that information/access to expertise is useless if you're not going to faithfully apply it. The banking crisis is actually a good example. Sometimes the people at the top are not even smart enough to understand the complexity of the situation.
Johnson&Johnson is now "cautiously optimistic" to have a vaccine ready at the start of 2021, so might be significantly less than 12-18 months.
I also don't think the strict lockdown will last anywhere near 6 months tbh. Social distancing could probably be a thing for the rest of the year or so but the economy and people working will pick up again before summer.
A guy here in Norway was fined 40,000 kroner for breaking Quarantine. There have been people going out to shops and public places found saying “we were getting bored at home” and consequently other people complained them.
Stupid and irresponsible people are everywhere... Scandinavia is also blessed with them.
Donate them to developing countries that need them! We have probably 40-50 vents for our entire country.
Who is "you guys"? I have advocated nothing, so don't start running your mouth.
I'm not so sure. We've got people writing angry Letters to the Editor complaining about the injustice of barring people from going to their cabins. One guy was fined £1500 for going to a party when he should have been quarantined after being abroad (anyone who comes from abroad is supposed to self-quarantine for two weeks. Many northern municipalities also have the same rules regarding people coming from the south).
I thought Derbyshire police putting black dye in the lagoon was a bit shitty. Stopping people to make sure they have good reasons to be out is one thing, but fecking with the landscape to make it less appealing just seems like an asshole move.
I understand that, but at times like these, these global leaders cannot act out of fear. They are the only people who can make the hard decisions and decide what is best for the current time, but also for the future. We cannot allow the long term to be damned for a false sense of security at the moment.
Let's talk about the ramifications for Europe in particular. Do people think the EU would survive this crisis? I predict a total shift in national policies and reverting back to bigger self-dependance. Countries might go for more regional cooperation instead of the current economic and political union, because so far there's been total divide in opinions of what should be done and every country is effectively trying to battle this on their own. The inadequate decision making of the European top leaders is staggering to me.
I apologise, I wrongly assumed that you are in favour of the heavy and drastic policing of people. My bad.
It seems to be working in Sweden so far though? Good luck telling people here in Belgium to "be responsible and keep social distancing in mind" and hope they follow your advice - they'll just go to the pubs to get hammered anyway because i) they're egoistic and ii) they're stupid. Same probably goes for the UK.
Yeah that fact that this is already 25% of all normal deaths is frightening.
Still too early to tell, what is certain is that countries will have to stop lockdown sooner rather than later and defer to a Swedish type model. Lockdown for months is impossible.
So with that said, let’s hope it keeps working in Sweden else we’re all in big shit.
Another thing to note is that Swedish independence could play a big part, so what “might” work for one country might not for another. I keep saying that Italy and Spain were the two European countries that unfortunately appear to have the perfect mix of culture for this virus to do maximum damage
Well not when you consider that a large chunk of those deaths would by all accounts over Europe, be part of those overall death statistics at the end of the year regardless.
Could the virus have led to some of the people dying normally dying from the virus instead? More people dying from the virus, but the normal deaths for the day being down?
Has that been confirmed? That would be interesting information to find out.
Between 550,000-600,000 UK deaths yearly on average and yes, the data so far says a large chunk of those succumbing to Covid-19 would possibly be in the 600,000 figure regardless. There’s a huge number of deaths where the person had multiple underlying problems.
So it’s not shit scary yet, it did hit those levels in Italy though.
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Are there any good links to the expected 2nd wave of this?
Thanks.
Surely the China numbers look less and less likely? But I fully acknolwedge that I have no facts to back it up but more of logical conclusion, stepping into conspiracy theories.
All of that is wrong. You keep making up your own facts and brand of science.
