SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Hopefully this will result in a more coherent, single-island approach. Allowing the below to continue is stupid.
I went for a run the other day at my usual time and there were at least 10 times as many people out walking their dogs, and that's no exaggeration. They are literally only out walking their dog BECAUSE they've been told not to go out unless it's essential.
I wouldn't say it was doing any harm except there were so many of them it was actually impossible for everyone to stay 2 metres apart.
Which comes back to me thinking that a majority of the deaths this whole thing will cause either directly or indirectly, will have a factor of stupidity involved.
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0331/1127572-covid-19-belgium-girl-death/
Lay of the chap a bit, it’s a bit OTT reaction
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanoh...s-fight-ahead-of-tesla-alliance/#1b3ed79d4591
Medtronic Gives Away Ventilator Design Specs In Coronavirus Fight, Ahead Of Tesla Alliance
Excellent news.
Medtronic Gives Away Ventilator Design Specs In Coronavirus Fight, Ahead Of Tesla Alliance
Excellent news.
It’s not talked about enough, but the US already had a serious ‘death by despair’ problem lingering before all of this.
It will only get worse.
Chill
People seem to underestimate just how globalised the world is. Such an extreme economic collapse will literally affect every industry and sector. The struggle for resources will be immense and social unrest will rise to very dangerous levels.
The world leaders need to act as quick as possible and find the most suitable and balanced measures that can be taken everywhere. The current situation is just delaying the inevitable and causing even more long-term damage. Just the fact that there was no precautionary plan by the likes of the EU, NATO, WHO, WTO, UN etc is seriously worrying me. It tells me that the world is not prepared for any sort of global crisis of this stature.
As far as I know these models usually ignore that there would be a recession anyway, if the virus ran through the world without strict measures taken against it. It's not like people would continue to work and shop as before while thousands of people are dying around them. You also can't just leave the suffering people alone and ignore them. They would overwhelm the hospitals in a completely uncontroled way. Worst case is that you let hundreds of thousands of people die and run into a massive recession anyway, that'll cost even more lifes on top of it.
Aye, and posters on here and around Europe are desperate to demonize us in Sweden for not locking down yet, but every single day we are reminded at the 14:00 press conference by the health ministry (it’s not the government running the show here), that there are only two ways out of this and anything we do such as social distancing, working from home, sick leave extended with no doctors note etc etc etc has to be able to work for months. They cannot believe countries are “locking down” early because of the adverse effects and the end game. If you have a stable number of people going into ICU, what is locking down achieving? A vaccine won’t be here in 3 weeks.
But the situations in Italy and Spain have understandably made people shit the bed. And now you’ve got daft things going on in the UK that defy all logic, like police drones shaming people for being out for a hike in the Peak District with not another person in sight. How the feck does that help stopping Covid-19? Lots of people have lost sight of what is trying to be achieved here.
I predict anarchy in Southern Italy within the next month.
India is already a total cluster feck.
I've not seen the trolley problem incorporate a U-turn before, so that everyone dies anyway...
Look at the video from the asian-american doctor in the stickied info thread. It tells you how the virus kills and why hypertension matters.
Lockdown will be extended up to and including first few weeks of May imo. Very wise considering the death toll numbers will be even more brutal in that period. After that it becomes much more difficult to implement due to weather, bank holidays and general boredom so think restrictions will be partly lifted by then unless the death toll remains very bad. Hopefull the curve will have flatterned and started to decline a little by that point.
Mind you you get plenty of people arguing on here and other forums it has to be a full lockdown for the rest of the year. Simply not feasible. Even the Deputy medical officer didn't really advise that in the press conference the other day when she put in the sixth month period.
That the circular track is a really good representation of how difficult it is to find a solution to the crisis we're in.
Fair enough. Guess I got caught up after reading a build up of posts (not same poster)
Exactly. Its not a direct comparison that can be made
Italy down again, at least in Lombardy. Also for the first time the number of current ICU patients is down. More people were released/died than were admitted.
I've just watched the bit about the ACE receptor. The virus targets this receptor but I'm still not sure why high blood pressure matters...unless the receptor being more active simply means it can be targeted more easily? Not got a medical background so bit out of my depth!!
Is the number of ventilators really a rate limiting step here? Surely a lack of staff qualified/trained to use them will be the big issue by the time we hit the peak? We have SHOs being given crash courses in how to be an ITU reg but if our current rate of HCW infection continues I wouldn’t be surprised if we end up with ventilators not being used because we’ve run out of people who know how to use them.
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The theory is that certain drugs cause more ACE receptors to be expressed inside our airways because they work by inhibiting the natural enzyme that binds to them (they’re called ACE inhibitors and are used to treat high blood pressure). Which gives more targets for the virus to bind to. Which causes a greater viral load and a worse outcome. It’s just a theory though. Not proven. There are also theories that these same drugs might actually improve outcomes.
Edit: the hospital housekeeper who goes into every breakroom etc. around my wife's ICU has tested positive.
I guess now it isn't an if, but a when
I'm wrecked right now
This person might have infected the entire fecking unit
I guess now it isn't an if, but a when
I'm wrecked right nowThis person might have infected the entire fecking unit
Thanks, that's interesting. Think I'm going to cut back on the lockdown evening beers to make sure it isn't increasing my blood pressure just to be on the safe side.
Wow 381 deaths in the UK today... =/ I mean, we all know this is coming but it still hits hard....
Was it not always a when?One of the nurses in my wife's ICU has tested positive.
I guess now it isn't an if, but a when
It's crazy how everyone is guessing at the moment. It really is like a disaster movie with the harried scientists.
Well shit man, I'd like to think my wife's PPE would protect her. But thanks. I failed to realize the fecking housekeeping lady was Typhoid Mary.
I noticed a lot more dog walkers too last week, but today there seemed to be fewer, some must have remembered they don't particularly enjoy it. Same on a really sunny day, I see lots of dog people out who you just never see the rest of the time. Shame for the dogs really.
As for the park in general, the police are very visible and seem to have done a good job moving on the groups of lads that were meeting up there and swaggering about the paths leaving no room to pass them easily, but they're ignoring people sitting or standing around on their mobile phones. Exercise seems a very flexible concept.
What do you do with a ventilator when it stops being a ventilator?
There will be a world wide glut of the things when this is all over, maybe Dyson are designing one that converts into a carpet cleaner when its ventilating days are done?
There will be a world wide glut of the things when this is all over, maybe Dyson are designing one that converts into a carpet cleaner when its ventilating days are done?
It all feels like a movie to be fair. I still keep thinking it's really just a bad dream and we are going to wake up from it soon.
This recession will be far worse than 2008 if we are in lockdown for 12-18 months (until vaccine). Much worse. Hell, even 6 months of lockdown, which is IMO the absolute minimum, will hit economy much, much harder.
Probably keep it until this happens again...
Am I the only one who has no problem with the police going overboard with enforcing the lockdown?
The media are now going after the police, saying it's heavy handed to clamp down on people driving to remote locations for exercise. It has even lead to the government to tell the police not to be so heavy handed.
As far as I'm concerned, the cops can't be heavy handed enough. People have behaved like idiots. Telling the police to back down and let people carry on being idiots sends the wrong message.
The media are now going after the police, saying it's heavy handed to clamp down on people driving to remote locations for exercise. It has even lead to the government to tell the police not to be so heavy handed.
As far as I'm concerned, the cops can't be heavy handed enough. People have behaved like idiots. Telling the police to back down and let people carry on being idiots sends the wrong message.
Agree. People think they can still do what they want it's a joke.
4053 new cases in Italy
837 deaths
About the same as yesterday but significantly less than a week ago.
837 deaths
About the same as yesterday but significantly less than a week ago.
Better to have them and not need them than to need them and not have them.