In addition to what others have said, the bulk of the early cases in the Nordic countries were young-ish people vacationing in the Alps, many of whom self-quarantined after returning to their countries. The virus didn't get a head start among the older population.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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In addition to what others have said, the bulk of the early cases in the Nordic countries were young-ish people vacationing in the Alps, many of whom self-quarantined after returning to their countries. The virus didn't get a head start among the older population.
Fox was a shambles like always (except Tucker Carlson who reported the situation correctly since February). To be fair, there were other media (including the main mainstream ones) who minimized the situation until March. And of course, many officials in New York. The biggest culprit is of course Trump who until very recently has been minimizing it, even last week he said that 'for flu we don't shut down, why we are shutting down the country for this'.
I keep telling my friends to stop smoking, to stop all the drugs they use and try to put themselves in the best possible shape for the little time we all have.
Tbh, I was just focused on EU countries. You do make a good point.
On Paddy's day Varadkar said we were expected to have 15,000 cases by the end of the month. This was a worst case scenario and designed to scare sense into people and it seems to have worked. We only have 2910 cases with 54 deaths.
We seem to have a good handle on things.
We seem to have a good handle on things.
More spread, most likely.
Ignore the mortality rate for now, different countries do different numbers of tests. The UK has done around 130k tests so far (or at least it was that a couple of days ago), US does that many in a single day, Germany is doing around 500k or so in a week, Italy tests you now only if you are really sick. Very likely Italy and Spain have more infected people than the US, and very likely France has more infected people than Germany.
You literally stated the culture in Europe and the US is "ultimately...to hell with other people ...as long as I can have my beer" whilst pointing out how your society deals with this situation better.
Now, I agree with your general point and if I had my way I'd introduce a law where loose semantics in forum posts resulted in 5 years hard labour or forced sale of all property. I mean, you know what people (Europeans in particular) are like if you don't use the state to fecking brutalise them.
Goddam. The government asking for donations themselves.25 confirmed cases in a week which probably means close to 100 in reality. Half the town follows confinement and the other half just doesn't give a shit basically because they are ignorant but mostly because they live on a day to day basis, they need food for their families. The governement has no plans in place to help the people and these feckers even set up various bank accounts for donations from the people
It's a massive problem there. I think smokers should have to pay a 'I'm fecking up my health and you will pay for it' tax.
Do you have the link to the full paper?
Edit. Found it.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.04.20031104v1.full.pdf
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An American one.
5 years of hard labour? As long as I can have my beers, it should be okay.
Do they call them Christian Americans or Americhristians?
Can't say I agree with this. With regards to a lockdown it's evident around the world that people need to adhere to it. I'm not sure how much more obvious that needs to be?
Your irrelevant nonsense about “gays and pre-marital sex” exposed your own agenda and stereotyped view of my position on this so there’s no point continuing to debate with you. Don’t waste your time.
genuinely mystifying. at least pretend to care!
Yeah, that's the one. I should have added when I posted the picture.
They do surely given the tax on tobacco?
It's not enough. Same as manufacturers should be charged more for all the fecking fag butts that pollute the world. I'd like to see fag butts completely banned.
I always wonder when i see these American pastors, do they really believe what they say or do they know its all an act?
Also, what's Private Joker doing there?
I don't know them
I call them cnuts
It's not irrelevant. In a lax, selfish drinking culture like most of Europe and the US (which is clearly a homogenous culture) there's a whole range of social traits we don't mercilessly crush. Which is precisely why your nuanced and stereotyped free position is, as I said previously, perceptive.
Given this post, I'm surprised that you struggle with irony.
Your position was also predicated on a stereotype.
This article mentions the older average age in Italy, the density of the population in the north, the culture of standing close to people and kissing them, and the fact that northern Italy is an international business hub with lots of connections to China. However, I think this is the most pertinent reason (my highlighting) :
https://www.thelocal.it/20200330/five-reasons-the-coronavirus-hit-italy-so-hard
The preferred term is “cnuts”.
Do you think people in the UK are doing a good enough job staying at home and not mixing with others?
I'd guess most are but plenty are not. This does not equate to European culture being "ultimately feck other people." That characterisation is both patently false and needlessly antagonistic.
My point is that in the Western cultures people tend to value individual liberties more than the collective welfare of society compared to other cultures. This isn’t always a bad thing, you could say it’s a factor that leads to more developed democratic governance structures in the West. However, it doesn’t help when there’s a global pandemic that requires people to sacrifice individual liberties for the greater good. If you don’t believe that point to be true then we’ll have to agree to disagree.
You had a meeting before answering?
All Western cultures there, just pop them all right into the same bag. We’re all the same innit.
Good job there Bigot.
From my time in the Gulf, I wouldn't say that the latter is something that really holds true for the Gulf countries. Maybe if you compare the West with China or South Korea/Singapore it would make more sense. I can imagine the Gulf states are prioritising almost all of their efforts at protecting their own citizens first and foremost, not the immigrants who make up the majority of the society that exists there.
Where you hear this?
I know there were concerns about this before the crisis started but from what I’ve seen the immigrants have been treated well during this. We have set up Western Union branches on food trucks that go around to their homes so they can remit money to their families back home from their accommodation, instead of having to leave and crowd the money exchanges and risking transmission. We have also set up charities for donations to immigrants who have been stranded. There are other examples but those are some of the main ones that have come to mind.
To be clear, you're suggesting that "non Western Cultures" inherently value the collective good over individualism? That the reason countries have authoritarian rulers or not is an inherent product of a people's culture? Is this genetic do you think?
Not all, but many. I could see some struggling more than others.
We've (Trinidad and Tobago) done decent enough so far, though as far as third world countries go I wouldn't say we're quite as destitute as some other places may be.
We had our first cast just about two weeks ago. As it is right now, we're up to 84 cases (40 odd of came from a cruise ship, where all the people were isolated immediately from the boat and the positive cases were moved to one of the containment hospitals), we've had three deaths so far, all three of them fairly old people with co morbidities, only one person that actually needed ICU intervention, who was extubated this week if I remember correctly and seems to be making a decent enough recovery from the position he started in.
We have two hospitals set up solely for containment of Covid patients, and dedicated Covid teams where the doctors are only seeing those patients (Haven't been pulled in to one of these yet, thankfully). Thus far we have adequate amounts of PPE to use in the hospitals. Schools/Universities have been closed for a couple weeks now.
Our borders are closed completely, both to nationals and non nationals, which has resulted in some people being stuck in other countries, but I agree with the government's decision on this as we have to think about the greater good of the country. As of midnight last night, all non essential businesses have officially been closed, only essential personnel allowed to be out and about, the police and army been deployed to enforce this. There's a fine of $50,000 TTD (Roughly in the ballpark of 5000 GBP) for being out during this time.
All in all, I think we've done decent enough with our limited resources thus far. I've been quite impressed with the way the government has handled the situation.
Why does it matter to you?