How good are they with pet hairs?
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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Bob, everything is a gamble if you don't follow the science.
Yes, designed from scratch and they aim to start production next week. A consortium led by Airbus is also waiting for permission to start manufacturing an existing design in the same time frame.
I remember everybody being insistent it would take months.
The UK and probably Germany as well. I think the UK should've isolated older people and at risk groups but schools, and gatherings of people of 20 or below (to keep pubs and restaurants, and those they employ going) should still be going on.
Any testing at airport? Temperature even?
How do they know you self isolate for 14 days following your arrival?
Awesome stuff that.
I addressed this earlier, but you didn’t care to respond to the point, RAB: the initial lockdown is because it’s spread faster than anticipated, and because until we start seeing the impact that comes after incubation period for when it was left entirely unchecked without any measures, we have no idea whether we’re about to blow past capacity or not. This time is also spent beefing up hospitals and their stocks.
It’s erring on the side of caution. We’ll see in a while whether the UK and Sweden will wish they’d put the brakes on this sooner, but for every mate of yours, Fiskey, there’s a few personnel who are very worried about where this is headed. I can’t speak to Sweden’s situation, but then Sweden is a different beast to the UK.
It's not a 1 and a 0, right route and wrong route.
It´s based on real data of real people being tested in Italy and England, but they cannot say anything definitive about the big masses without symptoms not being tested.
Fecking British people, all my friends back home are saying this too. I've been inside for 5 weeks now.Week 1 is a novelty.
Week 2/3 is when you really start to tear your hair out.
By week 4 you're not really bothered about going out any more. I last went out on Saturday and am quite happy indoors now.
But what if you 500 people at home that in 2 days time will need icu beds and your unaware?
Thatl mean your lockdown is to late.
Its better to be to a week early than a week to late
It’ll take months to answer that question I’m afraid.
If they all followed their own scientific models, who am I to argue who was “right” or “wrong”. The proof of the beat measures will be seen in May/June.
Praise the lord you're not in a position of authority. Must be one of the dumbest things I've heard during this whole crisis.
Then those 500 need them anyway. Lockdown or no lockdown.
Everyone's personality is different. It's not because I'm British.
Week 1 is a novelty.
Week 2/3 is when you really start to tear your hair out.
By week 4 you're not really bothered about going out any more. I last went out on Saturday and am quite happy indoors now.
Don't forget that there is a lag of a few weeks between infection and the onset of serious disease. For example, the people who got infected at Cheltenham Festival will just now be beginning to show symptoms and won't be hitting the hospital ICUs until sometime next week. That's why you (the government) have to act well before your health system reaches capacity - you always know you have a three week backlog to work through.
Yes, but if you lockdown a week to late and within that week 500 more need icu beds your over capacity in your scenario and people will be dead.
Excatly
So, there are two things about this comment on newsnight. First, it means we can't really trust UK figures for deaths any longer by government admission.
Second, it doesn't track right. Anonymous data doesn't need family permission for publishing under GDPR.
Second, it doesn't track right. Anonymous data doesn't need family permission for publishing under GDPR.
You yourself seem to be struggling with the concept of lag. If you do your shutdown on the day you have 520 cases, the very next day you're out of beds.
If you have 1000 icu beds and only 30 being used and you see it double two days running to 120 you shut it down.
Yesterday we added a new counts on this in PT due to people disobeying the emergency protocol 
39 people are now awaiting trial and 649 shops were closed and cannot open until the trial ends.
39 people are now awaiting trial and 649 shops were closed and cannot open until the trial ends.
Seriously arguing that you should only start the lockdown when the capacity is at the breaking point, i mean
Of course you act before, and Sweden for example is acting, let's not make out here that it's "lockdown" or "nothing". Sweden have put lots of things in place that I listed earlier.
Even stricter measures will come in when the curve takes a turn, I'll make the point again, not doing so achieves what? Gets rid of virus? No.
So how do you stop it then, if a one year lockdown isn't workable. What do you do? Lockdown every time you reach 130 ICU patients? Then open again when? Then lockdown again when?
Can't believe it either - it would most definitely lead to people dying in the hallway of hospitals, Spanish-style.Seriously arguing that you should only start the lockdown when the capacity is at the breaking point, i mean
No, not at all @Ekkie Thump
Do you lockdown everything everytime your ICU is at 1/10 capacity? When do you open again? Never? If you see your stats, like in Sweden seeing 200 new cases a day for a week and say 15 a day to ICU, do you lockdown? Why exactly?
What is lockdown today solving in Sweden's case aside from kicking the can down the road? Surely Sweden should bring in stricter measures only when 200 becomes 400-600 etc. Otherwise what's the point?
Youve 1000 icu beds.
600 in use. Good capacity left. Lets not lockdown for 2 more weeks.
In the meantime 400 people who attended Cheltenham land into icu needing beds within the space of a day or two. Capacity reached.
During those 2 weeks you didnt decide to lockdown 500 more bed icu beds. Those people are left to die.
You need to close up shop well before capacity is reached to cope with the unknown.
600 in use. Good capacity left. Lets not lockdown for 2 more weeks.
In the meantime 400 people who attended Cheltenham land into icu needing beds within the space of a day or two. Capacity reached.
During those 2 weeks you didnt decide to lockdown 500 more bed icu beds. Those people are left to die.
You need to close up shop well before capacity is reached to cope with the unknown.
That is why there are so many people working on these computer models. It takes 4-7 days for symptoms to show and another 4 days to need hospitalisation, and another day or two to require ICU. That means you need to predict how many ICU beds you are going to need at least 5 days and potentially up to 2 weeks from now, and yes, this is why i keep saying governments care more about case numbers than deaths.
Absolutely. And I'm happy when governments follow these models. That's my entire point like.
They arent testing the public at wide though so the numbers they are basing them on arent an accurate reflection of whats really going on, so how can their computer model have been correct?
There was a week or so period there were no one in the public was being tested.
Would be a shit idea that no-one suggested.
Plenty said it was impossible to make them from scratch in a relevant timeframe. It will be a big PR win for Dyson after the past few years.
Where do I suggest that when you're at 600, you should wait 2 more weeks before bringing in stricter measures. I mean, that is exactly what you posted.
I suggest, that Sweden follows the curve, when it's stable, keep doing what you're doing, when it starts to spike, immediately bring in stricter measures.
It's utter horseshit, GDPR doesn't apply to the deceased anyway.
Hopefully that's just Newsnight being incompetent.
They don't need to. They only need to know about the people coming into hospital and how those numbers are growing. If 90% of people have no symptoms it doesn't matter if 90% of people is 9 people or 9 million people. It's only the hospitalised patients that matter for predicting ICU utilisation.
Good article in the Guardian as to why Spain is suffering so badly.
What can help people get back to work is antibody tests and UK has ordered millions.
The virus is unchanging and this is good for antibody and vaccines.
The virus is unchanging and this is good for antibody and vaccines.
Yes, you are suggesting it, when you support the idea of waiting a bit more for the lockdown. Waiting until when?
When cases start to rise it will be too late. Every country has gone / is going through this.
Didn't you just agree that lockdowns are only needed when the capacity is at it's breaking point ?
Models are great to trust when they are actually accurate.