SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

From what I understood from my brother who just flew into Shanghai quarantine in your place of residence isn’t even an option. It is mandatory 14 days in the government hotel. Foreigners caught trying to escape it are immediately deported as well. Not sure what happens with a Chinese person caught breaking it.

Sorry, this is from a Chinese national that I know, I should have said that in my post. I imagine the measures are different for non-Chinese like you said.
 
Christ, Bolsonaro and Trump are really showing their true colours. A naive part of me hopes the world will learn not to vote for this evil morons in the future, but I doubt it. Hearing that Fauci guy saying, what am I supposed to do, push him away from his mic? Yes, yes you should, you all should, you spineless cnuts working for Trump or Bolsonaro. How the feck are advanced modern countries being lead by idiots who somehow should be placated into not doing too much damage. Kick them the feck out.

I think Dr Fauci is doing an incredible job in very difficult circumstances. If he pushes Trump away, then what? He gets fired and they probably bring in a spineless yes man to do his job instead. You have to strike a very difficult balance in these situations when dealing with people that, rightly or wrongly, are not going away.
 
Just from this thread the conflict in info is staggering. If you don’t know, don’t say, it’s quite simple. Especially those who come across so confident in their opinions as if they’re outright facts.

I’ve seen..
it spreads more airborne, it doesn’t spread airborne
Masks work, masks don’t work
It stays on your hands five minutes, It stays On flat surfaces upto a month (begs question why wear gloves)
90% asympomatic, 90% test negative.
Curves showing uk better than others, curves showing the UK worse.


None of this helps, I know people are panicking but a little fact check before running around with wrong opinions/facts wouldn’t take long.

People can’t come across as knowing more than Ole or mou at the moment so it seems they’ve all turned into economists and doctors.

Apologies for the needless rant but the doom mongering with out any backing up gets to me sometimes

I swear looking at this thread gives me more anxiety than anything else I read.
 
... this does not seem a little suspicious to you.
If you're looking at numbers with very little information or without having done any reading on the situations of these countries for the past two months, you're going to have suspicions. It's one thing to have questions because you aren't fully informed, but it's quite another to come with full conspiracy hat on about dying testament of murdered doctors, and then go with look, the number don't look right to me when people question it.
 
Christ, Bolsonaro and Trump are really showing their true colours. A naive part of me hopes the world will learn not to vote for this evil morons in the future, but I doubt it. Hearing that Fauci guy saying, what am I supposed to do, push him away from his mic? Yes, yes you should, you all should, you spineless cnuts working for Trump or Bolsonaro. How the feck are advanced modern countries being lead by idiots who somehow should be placated into not doing too much damage. Kick them the feck out.
All three of them?
 
The MOT test is an odd one for me.

Garages are still open, and if you are going to be using your car at all then why can’t you take it to get it’s MOT? The whole point of the test is to ensure cars are roadworthy and safe, relaxing that requirement seems strange.
The onus is still on the driver of a vehicle to make sure a car is roadworthy before driving it. Cars don't suddenly become safe or unsafe because of an MOT.
 
As we all sit here in confinement, think about this.

Just two weeks ago the government said it was comfortable that the Cheltenham festival went ahead, because large gatherings were not a risk.
 
I have a question regarding that Oxford paper that claimed half the population may have had it already and herd immunity is already happening. It's an intriguing argument and quite plausible to me but if it were true, wouldn't that mean there must have been a lot of Covid-related deaths before March in Europe? And is it possible that these would have attributed to the seasonal flu because we didn't know what we were looking for at that point? Seems a bit of a stretch to me but I'm happy to be corrected by one of the doctors on here.
 
As we all sit here in confinement, think about this.

Just two weeks ago the government said it was comfortable that the Cheltenham festival went ahead, because large gatherings were not a risk.
Precisely. The government let it get to this point and is pointing the finger at the people and others are falling for this trap.
 
As we all sit here in confinement, think about this.

Just two weeks ago the government said it was comfortable that the Cheltenham festival went ahead, because large gatherings were not a risk.

That needs to be remembered for the inevitable inquiry afterwards. It was a shocking dereliction of their duty of care to the public.
 
As we all sit here in confinement, think about this.

Just two weeks ago the government said it was comfortable that the Cheltenham festival went ahead, because large gatherings were not a risk.

That's not what they said though is it? They said they didn't want to shut things down too soon, and felt it was worth the festival going ahead.

Why must people always deal in absolutes?
 
As we all sit here in confinement, think about this.

Just two weeks ago the government said it was comfortable that the Cheltenham festival went ahead, because large gatherings were not a risk.
And that fecking Pool v Atletico game at Anfield

Mind you that one was probably worth it.
 
I have a question regarding that Oxford paper that claimed half the population may have had it already and herd immunity is already happening. It's an intriguing argument and quite plausible to me but if it were true, wouldn't that mean there must have been a lot of Covid-related deaths before March in Europe? And is it possible that these would have attributed to the seasonal flu because we didn't know what we were looking for at that point? Seems a bit of a stretch to me but I'm happy to be corrected by one of the doctors on here.
That's what it would mean. If you look at it from the experience of an individual ICU doctor though, they might have seen only one instance in their hospital - probably in someone 70+ with other risk factors. They wouldn't necessarily see anything other than another pneumonia. Hopefully someone is looking at the history now, it would be great to think that with hindsight we could see something in the data.

Maybe too great though, and certainly bordering on wishful thinking until an antibody test tells us who has had the virus.
 
Spain
Cases: 47,610 (+7.937, 3.166 in ICU)
Deaths: 3,434 (+738)
Recovered: 5,367

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If you look at worldmeters they have added deaths throughout the day after the last official figures and when today's official numbers come out they added 443 more but the official figure is 738 in last 24 hours.
 
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He's the future head of state, he's not a regular person.
He is a regular person though. If he died there would just be another head of state in waiting. If you think it’s alright that certain people get more or better treatment then knock yourself out.
 
I have a question regarding that Oxford paper that claimed half the population may have had it already and herd immunity is already happening. It's an intriguing argument and quite plausible to me but if it were true, wouldn't that mean there must have been a lot of Covid-related deaths before March in Europe? And is it possible that these would have attributed to the seasonal flu because we didn't know what we were looking for at that point? Seems a bit of a stretch to me but I'm happy to be corrected by one of the doctors on here.

I think that a lot of that depends on what percentage of cases are asymptomatic or very mild. Also, didn't China broaden their definition of Coronavirus symptoms for testing around February, thus an increase in confirmed cases? It's very possible to me that in that time, a lot more people could have already been exposed to it, thinking it was just the common cold or a bad bout of flu. Seems crazy but I remember in late January being bed ridden, had a pounding headache, fever and body aches. Probably just the regular flu, but it makes you think.
 
They're not saying you can't go get your car fixed or have it's MOT. It's just so people don't have to venture out to make sure it's still insured or go through the hassle of declaring it off road whilst you're isolating.

Yea I know they’re not saying you can’t do it, it just seemed a strange thing to say can be overlooked when I first heard it.

You don’t need to SORN a car with no MOT, but insurance renewal is a fair point I hadn’t considered, I think the vehicle needs an MOT to insure doesn’t it?

More to it than I’d initially thought tbf.

I suspect its about practicality.

People are going to drive tot he garage and hang around for an hour while the MOT is done. Thats not what should happen, its what will happen.

Easier to just ignore them for a month or so.

Getting back from the garage and going back to collect is another fair point, yes.
 
If me or you called up with mild symptoms we will be told to stay at home and self isolate. Not a chance we’d be tested until we had to go to hospital.
Those assumptions are based on NHS guidelines, not private healthcare guidelines.
 
The onus is still on the driver of a vehicle to make sure a car is roadworthy before driving it. Cars don't suddenly become safe or unsafe because of an MOT.
True, but its still illegal to drive without a current MOT and it invalidates your insurance. If the MOT's run out don't drive the car is best bet!
 
That's not what they said though is it? They said they didn't want to shut things down too soon, and felt it was worth the festival going ahead.

Why must people always deal in absolutes?
People live to politicise things... even pandemics.

Shame that all those people were forced (against their will) to go for a piss up at Cheltenham.
 
He is a regular person though. If he died there would just be another head of state in waiting. If you think it’s alright that certain people get more or better treatment then knock yourself out.

Of course people who have important positions should be tested first. Everyone was criticising Trump a week back for not getting a test.
 
Those assumptions are based on NHS guidelines, not private healthcare guidelines.
Again though, testing shouldn’t be available to people just because they’re rich or some outdated traditions make them ‘important’.
 
Of course people who have important positions should be tested first. Everyone was criticising Trump a week back for not getting a test.
What is his important position? What is Prince Charles doing on a daily basis?