SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/belgium/

A bit of a slowdown in Belgium today. An anomaly or will it continue? When did Belgium start there lockdown @RobinLFC ?
Second day in a row that the amount of hospitalizations has dropped as well. We're only testing healthcare workers and people with extreme symptoms though so the numbers are definitely skewed. Experts are saying it's certainly encouraging, but they expect the peak at the end of March/beginning of April so we're still bracing ourselves for what's coming. Good thing is that our ICU capacity isn't even close to fully occupied so healthcare system is conviced that they're ready for whatever comes.

A regular lockdown was initiated on March 14th and it got more strict on March 18th (last Wednesday), so tomorrow we'll be in a quite strict lockdown for about a week. Seems to me that most people, apart from the occasional dickheads, are actually following guidelines. Stores do whatever they can as well (limited amount of people are allowed inside at the same time, only electronic payments, plexi glass between costumers and personnel, ...).

I don't fear for Belgium in isolation, we'll be alright and we're equipped to handle this. However it's the aftermath which worries me - how are we going to alleviate the lockdown, how will the Dutch people living right across the border factor in, what about flights, pubs, summer festivals, ... It'll be a clusterfeck and I think we'll see the consequences of all this long after the pandemic has slowed down, unfortunately.
 
No idea what it was, and if we can say "influenza-like illness" to describe something that looks like the flu but isn't officially declared as such, influenza-like illness it is.

Lets put it this way. Currently and for several months now the flu has been doing the round and WHO can actually tell you which proportion of each subtypes. And there is also Covid19 which is a virus with flu-like symptoms. The point being that there was two illness with flu like symptom, one that is literally the flu and an other one that you could describe as a flu-like illness which is Covid19.

The way you put, one could assume that there was an other virus that isn't Covid19 or the seasonal flu doing the round.
 
Thats why im asking.

You also have to factor in depreciation reducing net profit

They'll have to make it as simple as they possibly can you would think. How much does someone in that role, in that area, typically take home after tax. you get 80% of that. Tough shit regarding everything else (is what I'd imagine will happen).

Some people will get screwed, some will take the piss and end up better off. There's no way they can do it that will please everyone.
 
So the lockdowns that have been going on in Italy for over 2 weeks now and almost 2 week in Spain sure don't seem to be turning the tide. Record numbers coming out of Spain today. Surely those figures are the ones to follow and if they have not had the desire result what has China done that seems so effective - cooked the books.

Would be looking at 1-2 months, not weeks and Italy has seen many flout the lockdown particularly earlier on plus I'd say the Wuhan lockdown was more strict.
 
As per yesterday's figures, NI had carried out approx. 1,430 tests per million people.

As of today's figures, the ROI has carried out approx 3,725 tests per million people.

It is beyond stupid that one quarter of the island is operating at an entirely different pace to the other three quarters. With all the cross border co-operation that is built into the peace process, you'd think having a one island approach in a crisis like this would be a given.
 
Lets put it this way. Currently and for several months now the flu has been doing the round and WHO can actually tell you which proportion of each subtypes. And there is also Covid19 which is a virus with flu-like symptoms. The point being that there was two illness with flu like symptom, one that is literally the flu and an other one that you could describe as a flu-like illness which is Covid19.

The way you put, one could assume that there was an other virus that isn't Covid19 or the seasonal flu doing the round.

That's an awkward interpretation. I think it was Covid-19.
 
About running in general? Probably not.

But i do know that extremely long distance running at any kind of meaningful intensity has proven to be bad for you in multiple ways. There is no possible way to deny that.

No, I mean everything about running and all that’s linked to it. ie The subject matter we’re discussing.

You’ve just dramatically reduced your argument to a point that nobody is discussing. ‘Meaningful’?!?
 
I wonder if Laundrettes will stay open. Having clean clothes


Are you sick? Wear it.

Do you want people to give you a wide birth because they'll think you are sick? Wear it.

Do you want protection from getting it? Don't bother, you'd better off wearing a snorkel.
Just curious why this is the case, don’t the medics wear the n95 masks? So if you have a few of those knocking about may aswell use it as it’s likely doing something
 
Do we expect American deaths to start spiking soon? Usually deaths follow infections by around like 5 days right? But then you have Germany with a low death count, and other countries like Spain and Italy with close to a 10% death rate
 
That's good to hear, I know that wasn't clear a few days ago, a lot of people were very worried about the implications

not wont affect your credit score. Buy it may affect your ability to lend for the next 3 years. When you have a 3 month gap on your credit report, it “may” highlight you as a risk.

there are still some implications.
 
That's an awkward interpretation. I think it was Covid-19.

I'm not following here, what I said is factual, it's not an interpretation, here you have the Influenza updates from the WTO. Influenza activity increased in the northern emisphere in January, remained elevated in February and a decrease is noted in the March 16th report.

So I will say it one more time, during the previous months we have been in a period of high activity when it comes to the flu and Covid19 was also around.
 
Just curious why this is the case, don’t the medics wear the n95 masks? So if you have a few of those knocking about may aswell use it as it’s likely doing something

If you have a few n95 masks knocking about you should consider giving it to a hospital as they are short!

The little surgical masks are what I'm talking about.

https://time.com/5794729/coronavirus-face-masks/
The science, according to the CDC, says that surgical masks won’t stop the wearer from inhaling small airborne particles, which can cause infection. Nor do these masks form a snug seal around the face. The CDC recommends surgical masks only for people who already show symptoms of coronavirus and must go outside, since wearing a mask can help prevent spreading the virus by protecting others nearby when you cough or sneeze.
 
Do we get a heads up if theres going to be a lockdown in Ireland? Like some time to buy food and such
 
There are two types of masks. Surgical masks are used in, you guessed it, surgeries, to prevent droplets/particles from the doctors being transmitted to the patient. Respirators are used to prevent the user (i.e. the person wearing the item) from inhaling particles/droplets (small objects in the air) or gasses when they breathe.

Respirators come in many different forms for different purposes, so we need to be very careful about telling people to "use respirator A because it helps" without knowing what exact respirator they have and what it was designed for. Some are designed to be single use only. Some are reusable but need a cartridge which needs to be replaced on a regular basis. Some respirators have better protection than others and each country has its own set of standards.

The reality is, the vast majority of the general public do not need respirators. If you actually think you need one, stop asking people on the forums about it, and actually check the manufacturers website about what it was designed for. Do not listen to anyone who says "yes wear this respirator" if they do not know what respirator you have because there is a possibility it won't do anything and there is also a possibility you will not wear the respirator correctly. If in doubt, assume the respirator does nothing and act according to that mindset.
 
90% of people who tested positive in the US don't have symptoms according to the surgeon general. Considering that the US has done more testing than any other country (except possibly China) this is pretty good news. The same goes for Singapore, 9 our of 10 imported cases were asymptotic.
 
If you have a few n95 masks knocking about you should consider giving it to a hospital as they are short!

The little surgical masks are what I'm talking about.

https://time.com/5794729/coronavirus-face-masks/
The science, according to the CDC, says that surgical masks won’t stop the wearer from inhaling small airborne particles, which can cause infection. Nor do these masks form a snug seal around the face. The CDC recommends surgical masks only for people who already show symptoms of coronavirus and must go outside, since wearing a mask can help prevent spreading the virus by protecting others nearby when you cough or sneeze.
Thanks for the info, and no I havnt got any n95 masks here unfortunately or I would Most certainly pass them on.

@Penna noticed you mentioning wearing a mask further up the page, maybe worth reconsidering
 
Anyone aware of my rights regarding the whole 2m rule whilst in work. I work in the distribution centre for a major food chain, most days I can be surrounded by people whilst picking into cages and so far no protective measures are in place. Anyone got any advice on the steps I should take, worries because I have 2 kids at home, my youngest is under 1 and has had continuous chest issues which have required multiple courses of antibiotics which haven't as yet solved her issue. Thanks in advance.
 
Id have no objection and no one would, but the maximum has to be the exact same imo.

What figure is it based on though, net profit? Cant be turnover!

Those that deal in cash etc and "hide" income to reduce tax will take a hit.

its clearly going to be difficult to devise a package that’s not going to be abused for the self employed (I am one myself).

there will be a significant no of people who don’t have three tax returns, that means you would be going back to 2016/17, and for anyone less than a year they have zero track record. Perhaps they will look at the average PAYE over that period?

not sure anyone will have any sympathy for those who do not declare their earnings.

but we do need to get a package sorted quickly. If you have an electrician who earns £150-200 day, is he going to stay home at the moment for £97 per week?

we will presumably move to a full lockdown scenario at some point and it needs to be sorted beforehand, otherwise these workers will be difficult to control.
 
90% of people who tested positive in the US don't have symptoms according to the surgeon general. Considering that the US has done more testing than any other country (except possibly China) this is pretty good news. The same goes for Singapore, 9 our of 10 imported cases were asymptotic.

Its a classic example of a double edge sword. Good news for the reason you gave. Bad news because idiots who do not show symptoms will still ignore advice and may spread the infection to others.
 
If you have a few n95 masks knocking about you should consider giving it to a hospital as they are short!

The little surgical masks are what I'm talking about.

https://time.com/5794729/coronavirus-face-masks/
The science, according to the CDC, says that surgical masks won’t stop the wearer from inhaling small airborne particles, which can cause infection. Nor do these masks form a snug seal around the face. The CDC recommends surgical masks only for people who already show symptoms of coronavirus and must go outside, since wearing a mask can help prevent spreading the virus by protecting others nearby when you cough or sneeze.
That's odd because surgical masks and other non-n95 and better masks seem to be a big part of South Korea's success in handling this pandemic without closing their economy.
 
That's odd because surgical masks and other non-n95 and better masks seem to be a big part of South Korea's success in handling this pandemic without closing their economy.

Hmmm, i think it was more the extensive testing and contact tracing that were the big part in South Korea's success.
 
Our health agency noted few times that negative tests came many times as false negatives, so they repeated lots of tests, so even lot of testing is not that secure approach, according to them. They repeated this few times these past few weeks, along that testing itself isn't that easy as many think it is, they say it's actually quite complicated.
 
That's odd because surgical masks and other non-n95 and better masks seem to be a big part of South Korea's success in handling this pandemic without closing their economy.

There's quite a few articles about how South Korea has handled this. They give credit to mass testing early on, strict quarantine and tracking of infected people. Masks are not mentioned anywhere, because they've got nothing to do with the sucess.

The backbone of Korea’s success has been mass, indiscriminate testing, followed by rigorous contact tracing and the quarantine of anyone the carrier has come into contact with. As of March 19, the country has conducted more than 307,000 tests, the highest per capita in the world. The UK has conducted 64,600; The US even less that. “You have countries like the US right now, where there's a fairly strict criteria of who can be tested,” says Kee Park, a lecturer on global health at Harvard Medical School. “I know people personally who have symptoms that are highly suspicious, but they don't meet all the criteria and so they're not being tested.”

“[South Korea’s] extensive testing is a very valuable tool to both control the virus and understand and measure the effectiveness of the responses that are taking place,” says Michael Mina, assistant professor at the Center for Communicable Disease Dynamics at Harvard University. “It’s allowed individuals to take matters into their own hands and make social distancing decisions on their own, both to protect those around them and to protect themselves from those who are infected around them.”

To carry out testing at this scale requires extraordinary coordination. The Wall Street Journal reports that the country can test more than 20,000 people a day at 633 testing sites nationwide. A smartphone app provides GPS maps to track the infection’s spread. Medics pitch massive white tents on roadsides, where citizens receive free drive through testing, reducing the need to clean infected hazmat suits. Results are swift, too, coming by text within 24 hours.

The response has melded with Korean technological ingenuity, explains Park.“Koreans are super good at making things convenient for people – we don't have any patience,” he says. “South Korea is one of the most wired countries in the world, where everybody uses cell phones for just about everything, and [the government] was able to use our cell phones to not only track but send warnings, like ‘watch out, there's a Covid-19 patient in your vicinity.’”


https://www.wired.co.uk/article/south-korea-coronavirus

If you think about it, a non-airtight bit of breathable cloth is not going to stop particles as small as a virus. They're designed to stop surgeons dribbling onto patients!
 
The worst is that the front line health workers did not or do not have protective gear. The first positive identification in the US was in January. Now the death toll has hit the 670 mark. This is going to go up for sure. Drastic measures need to be taken to stop this. They economy can be tackled later. Lives cannot be recovered.
 
The worst is that the front line health workers did not or do not have protective gear. The first positive identification in the US was in January. Now the death toll has hit the 670 mark. This is going to go up for sure. Drastic measures need to be taken to stop this. They economy can be tackled later. Lives cannot be recovered.
Tell that to the GOP.

You've got Trump wanting America up and running again by Easter and the Texas Lt. Gov. backing him up on it.
 
Thanks for the info, and no I havnt got any n95 masks here unfortunately or I would Most certainly pass them on.

@Penna noticed you mentioning wearing a mask further up the page, maybe worth reconsidering
I've been recycling a builder's mask I had from when I bought a few last year - also, have ordered a few N95s from a site in America. No idea when I'll get them, the masks I ordered in February in Italy never turned up!
 
Do we get a heads up if theres going to be a lockdown in Ireland? Like some time to buy food and such

Of course you can still buy food. To prevent hoarding, people are only allowed in a grocery store for 30 minutes in Belgium which seems to work well.
 
As per yesterday's figures, NI had carried out approx. 1,430 tests per million people.

As of today's figures, the ROI has carried out approx 3,725 tests per million people.

It is beyond stupid that one quarter of the island is operating at an entirely different pace to the other three quarters. With all the cross border co-operation that is built into the peace process, you'd think having a one island approach in a crisis like this would be a given.
Just stop testing so much.
 
I've been recycling a builder's mask I had from when I bought a few last year - also, have ordered a few N95s from a site in America. No idea when I'll get them, the masks I ordered in February in Italy never turned up!
Sounds better than a surgeons mask. Also seen you’re in Italy. Stay safe
 
Just finished a 12 hour shift. It finally happened.

A patient on the ward started developing symptoms. High fever, dry cough. He's been under my care since last Thursday. Getting swabbed tonight - so hopefully it's negative otherwise I'll be off work for 14 days.

We had a confirmed case on the weekend, and I saw the chest xrays of this poor gentleman when he presented to A&E and then 12 hours after when he deterioriated.

fecking hell - can see why people die from it. That shit obliterates.

Yep, his swab test is positive for Covid19. I've been dealing with him since his admission (what he came in with was a bad hip). Which now explains my sore-throat and headache since Sunday (he went unwell Saturday).

I've been told I should keep working until I have a temp and/or a dry cough.
Surreal shit.
 
Yep, his swab test is positive for Covid19. I've been dealing with him since his admission (what he came in with was a bad hip). Which now explains my sore-throat and headache since Sunday (he went unwell Saturday).

I've been told I should keep working until I have a temp and/or a dry cough.
Surreal shit.
No way? You're still working?!