He's growing on me.
But then they should outline what the economic strategy is, instead of using the health strategy as an excuse for kicking wider considerations down the road.
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He's growing on me.
But then they should outline what the economic strategy is, instead of using the health strategy as an excuse for kicking wider considerations down the road.
horsechoker
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It's not meaningless, it's third day in a row. It's too early to say that Italy's going in the right direction but it's a sign that it is.It is an utterly meaningless decrease.
Dante
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Quit your jobIt's not. I'm still working and we are in no way essential to the public. It's actually beyond ridiculous that I'm risking my safety for this...
Exactly feck the fecking economy. Whats the point in my money if I might not be alive to utilise it?
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It is an utterly meaningless decrease.
For a public health body it is the single most important number.
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That Italy figure is very sad. Thought they were slowly turning a corner.
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According to the Italian media there were 3612 new cases compared to 3780 yesterday. Its a small decrease but its the third decrease in a row
I think that's active cases rather than new cases. Apologies if that was what you meant, I misunderstood
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Your quotes article (the first) is not saying what you think it is.
Vigorous exercise is a key pivot point there.
People training (properly) for a Marathon, won’t be doing 60 minutes of vigorous running. Let alone the 4 hours a week that the article suggests is the upper ceiling.
My evidence base is over a decade of being an active running coach (at different levels of volume in that time. I haven’t coached anyone in forever) An age group competitive runner for 2 decades. Someone that’s ran, and ran with people who, ran for years in the spin at the 60-150mpw level. I was a UK Athletics Coach (low level but still ran sessions at Lea).
I can’t adjudicate for anyone running at their max heart rate on every run. They shouldn’t be doing that.
Anyone running every single day of their life, in their aerobic zone, could effectively run a marathon a day and be just fine. So anyone short of that will also be just fine.
Your Aerobic system has no theoretical upper limit (Age obviously impacts in the long term). It will only ever improve when put under manageable stress. Literally all of the scientific evidence is on that side of the argument. It’s not the odd article here and there.
Okay. I'll leave it at that then because I think you know more about the subject than I do. You're also right in that I've misread the article. Hopefully people don't train as much as the article suggests is necessary for causing the problems it does.
Thanks for taking the time to respond.
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Tomorrow night I have to go to a building which employs around 3000 other people with 2000 on site at any one time, they sell clothes online.
RedTiger
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That's true, but his message was still on point though.He's a sociopathic cnut who should be ignored.
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Yeah not being a dick but you don’t know more about this subject than me.
About running in general? Probably not.
But i do know that extremely long distance running at any kind of meaningful intensity has proven to be bad for you in multiple ways. There is no possible way to deny that.
DOTA
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So Boris said absolutely nothing yesterday? Other than if you congregate outdoors the police might tell you not to. There's been no further measures? He just went on telly to say 'I really mean it this time, guys!' and then disappeared the next day with no one clarifying anything.
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ASOS?Tomorrow night I have to go to a building which employs around 3000 other people with 2000 on site at any one time, they sell clothes online.
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No there will be new cases, but they hope that they will be at a manageable level, where they can contact trace to put said contacts into lockdown to minimise the spread.
Thanks, I just wish there's no "second wave" over there. That would be brutal.
This table from the world meters website is pretty interesting. I'm not sure how accurate these numbers are but what we see here is that the number of deaths in the US are far far lower than what we're seeing in Italy. Does this really mean that a whole lot of people are recovering from the said infection? Or is there something that the US is doing differently than Italy?
EDIT:
Just noticed that "Total Recovered" in Italy is 8,326 vs mere 361 in the US. I'm guessing a lot of people are still in hospital over there - neither fully recovered, nor deceased. Hope a lot of people recover.
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Has the virus been completely contained in China? I read somewhere that the lockdown is getting (or has been) removed. Does it mean that if people hunker down for two months, the virus just “goes away”?
It will more than likely come back when they open up things.
Unless we literally have a globalized response to this, which is next to impossible.
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You're both getting the message confused here. Training for a marathon is good for you. Actually running one is most definitely not.
Which isn’t what the poster said, which started the debate, and he’s since admitted his mistake.
So no @11101, we’re not mistaken, you are.
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Makes a lot more sense than the Texas gov. Firstly. it is a stupid idea to say the old men of the country can be sacrificed. And did someone tell the virus to save the businesses and target only the old folks who are no longer needed by this country.
Virus doesn't work that way or doesn't follow any specific orders
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Thanks, I just wish there's no "second wave" over there. That would be brutal.
This table from the world meters website is pretty interesting. I'm not sure how accurate these numbers are but what we see here is that the number of deaths in the US are far far lower than what we're seeing in Italy. Does this really mean that a whole lot of people are recovering from the said infection? Or is there something that the US is doing differently than Italy?
I think it's possible that it's spreading so quickly in the USA that the no. of deaths hasn't had time to "catch up" so to say. The number of cases with an outcome (positive or negative) in America is so far much, much lower than in Italy even though the total number of cases is rapidly matching up
bond19821982
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Makes sense, thanks mateNo, someone else did the table but I just updated it. UK and Italy death tolls were matching for a bit when adjusted and looked ominous and this is just comparing major European nations of similar size.
India is still very early and US is very lopsided with New York and still early with testing considering the population. Perhaps later on India, China, US and Europe might be worth comparing.
bosnian_red
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Italy's healthcare system has been overrun for like 2 weeks now to the point of not being able to properly treat people, elderly population, etc. USA is early in the curve and have just started testing properly basically, they havent reached the point of being overrun yet or the virus being wide spread enough. They are also turning a lot of probable cases away (in certain areas) from testing just telling them to stay home because they don't want to waste the kits, so the numbers. But then you also have some areas that test everyone.Thanks, I just wish there's no "second wave" over there. That would be brutal.
This table from the world meters website is pretty interesting. I'm not sure how accurate these numbers are but what we see here is that the number of deaths in the US are far far lower than what we're seeing in Italy. Does this really mean that a whole lot of people are recovering from the said infection? Or is there something that the US is doing differently than Italy?
Dante
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I've received Government warning texts from three different carriers on my phones/tablets today.
3 Mobile in the morning, EE in the afternoon and Plusnet a few minutes agi.
They're really putting the message out there.
3 Mobile in the morning, EE in the afternoon and Plusnet a few minutes agi.
They're really putting the message out there.
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This table from the world meters website is pretty interesting. I'm not sure how accurate these numbers are but what we see here is that the number of deaths in the US are far far lower than what we're seeing in Italy. Does this really mean that a whole lot of people are recovering from the said infection? Or is there something that the US is doing differently than Italy?
They're just behind that's all.
The people who died today caught the virus 2 weeks ago. 2 weeks ago in the US there were less than 1,000 known cases, in Italy there were over 10,000.
2 weeks on from Italy passing 1,000 cases they had 189 new deaths.
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USA reporting more new cases than anybody... And trump saying he wants to get people back to work...
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
It's gonna be a horrer show if he gets his way isn't it
As a scientist and being thoroughly objective, I am actually really intrigued to see what happens if a country just doesn't give a feck about this virus and opens up everything.
I just don't want the UK to be the one that tests this theory.
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Has the virus been completely contained in China? I read somewhere that the lockdown is getting (or has been) removed. Does it mean that if people hunker down for two months, the virus just “goes away”?
Apparently getting removed on Apr 8. According to this article it's been two months since they've been cut off from the outside world, surely that's enough for people's immune systems to kill off the virus? Either they won, or they died fighting.It will more than likely come back when they open up things.
Unless we literally have a globalized response to this, which is next to impossible.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/24/asia/coronavirus-wuhan-lockdown-lifted-intl-hnk/index.html
DOTA
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It'd be great if they had a message to put out.I've received Government warning texts from three different carriers on my phones/tablets today.
3 Mobile in the morning, EE in the afternoon and Plusnet a few minutes agi.
They're really putting the message out there.
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Is there any truth in this - 'Scientific modelling which estimates 1,000 cases for every death means the UK currently has about 300,000 people with coronavirus.' And 'Rate of infection meant one million people in the UK will have coronavirus by the end of next week.'
Taken it from Yahoo news
Taken it from Yahoo news
limerickcitykid
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They’re saying that all new cases are coming from people entering the country and they have it contained within. All people entering are screened and tested and have mandatory quarantine for 14 days. Those who pass are given a green code linked to their id. Green codes will be required to enter any buildings. Thus the idea is the cities will open back up with only people who have been cleared. We’ll see over the coming weeks how it plays out.Has the virus been completely contained in China? I read somewhere that the lockdown is getting (or has been) removed. Does it mean that if people hunker down for two months, the virus just “goes away”?
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Err yeah, that's why I said everyone.
And what do you mean by pay it back? Are you talking higher taxes, as that's a small price to pay.
I don’t see why a self employed person earning over £45k a year should need to take £2900 a month. It should be capped far lower. What are they going to do, pay their mortgage, bills, food and put the rest in their bank account for a summer holiday? Not to mention the self employed who earn more than that.
I’m not talking about the self employed who are living month to month. There’s also a lot of very well off self employed people, who simply don’t need that big of a hand out, especially when lots of people aren’t going to be getting anywhere near that (from the sectors I mentioned previously).
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How are the old people in America finding the "let them die and get on with it" rhetoric from Trump? That's his base.
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Trump wants country to open by Easter.
It will be too un-Christian to dampen the Easter spirit.
It will be too un-Christian to dampen the Easter spirit.
Suedesi
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Running marathons is one of the last things somebody should do if they want to be considered healthy. Fit, sure. Healthy, no.
It's silly how that's used to imply somebody is inherently healthy, not to mention how it neglects every other variable in their life that an observer can't possibly account for.
He's got asthma
senorgregster
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They seem to be lapping it upHow are the old people in America finding the "let them die and get on with it" rhetoric from Trump? That's his base.
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My mate, who is a domestic sparky, was asked to come in because the government hadn’t said otherwise. Thankfully his boss understood when he explained his girlfriend has breathing difficulties sometimes and he can’t risk it.
As if domestic sparky work is important right now. It’s like some people can’t figure anything out without being told directly. I realise in some cases it’s greed (big construction) or a need to earn still, but that’s the second case today that someone I know can’t make the correct decision that doesn’t fall in to those categories. In recent years it’s become so apparent how dumb this country is.
Domestic electricians and plumbers are absolutely key workers 110%. Households can’t be left with unsafe electrics or unsanitary conditions. At a lower level, electric and functioning plumbing are needed for a family to be reasonably expected to survive in the modern age.
The problem around construction policy currently is that there are tens of thousands of workers using the tube in London everyday. They’re allowing suppliers to stay open so you’ll have jobbing builders working in people‘s houses as an inevitable by-product because they need to work and plenty of householders don’t give a feck.
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He's growing on me.
But then they should outline what the economic strategy is, instead of using the health strategy as an excuse for kicking wider considerations down the road.
this was from a state senator
not sure what's going on
Cheers for updating this, I needed a break from doing it because it's not exactly enjoyable. That's a bad rise for the UK and Italy. I've added America into the table given someone asked for it, I didn't add India though given they only have had 10 deaths so far. Feel free to keep updating it, probably best if more than 1 person does it to keep data updated at least.
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Just a caveat for everyone using Worldometer figures:
While they are generally accurate, some figures (like the number of critical patients) are wildly off. This is because not every country reports critical patient numbers consistently in the official report, so they just total numbers from various news sources and that might be quite a bit off.
While they are generally accurate, some figures (like the number of critical patients) are wildly off. This is because not every country reports critical patient numbers consistently in the official report, so they just total numbers from various news sources and that might be quite a bit off.
Drawfull
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Brother, sister-in-law and kids went to visit gran on Sunday apparently. I despair, I really do.
They are fecking idiots. He\s a United fan, maybe on here. I hope he reads this. You're fecking idiots.
They are fecking idiots. He\s a United fan, maybe on here. I hope he reads this. You're fecking idiots.
Very likely a mass panic when the number of dead people reaches thousands per day. Then people will actually stay home even without government directives, businesses would go bankrupt and so on. That is why Trump's (and Boris' former) plan is insane. Even if you accept culling 1-2% of the population to deal with it, it will just have no chance of happening in reality. In fact, I think that is the worst scenario for both the economy and the number of deaths.As a scientist and being thoroughly objective, I am actually really intrigued to see what happens if a country just doesn't give a feck about this virus and opens up everything.
I just don't want the UK to be the one that tests this theory.
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