Jeez. Anyone on methotrexate I'd say should stay the feck away from the general public at a time like this. Rheumatologists secretary and ask to leave a message?
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Not sure if this has been posted her yet but it seems a good balance to me:
I agree to an extent, but being 'well and able' now doesn't at all take into account actually being at risk.
It's about how Asthmatics are gonna be affected by a virus that immediately targets the lungs and puts non-Asthmatics on ventilators...
The Government website clearly states that 'long term respiratory illnesses like Asthma' puts people in the 'vulnerable' group.
You would imagine so, or it's not really a lockdown is it?
Lockdown will exist till the peak slows and services can support it. Look to China as an example. The next phase we really have to get into is the testing and tracing cases, Singapore have been fantastic at doing the latter.
We have a sort of lockdown in Belgium (bars and restaurants closed, most shops closed, work from home if possible, gyms closed etc...) but we are allowed to go out for a walk, run, bike ride etc. Only in a limited group of people (2) and in your own neighbourhood but going out is promoted.
Could be a lot more manageable. Things are improving in S. Korea for example. As far as I’m aware it’s not a total lockdown. But then again they are actually bothering to test people, the people there probably respect the rules set out and are probably far more hygienic than us.
Surely you recognise people have had to put up with much worse than this in the past and didn't become suicidal...
The comforts you're used to aren't required to stay sane. Many people live through much worse every day.
And he is one of those people that genuinely looks stupid. It's not nice to say but we can all see it.
Yeah I did this morning. I predict he's inundated with queries from people in the same position as me, or patients wondering if they should stop their methotrexate or whatever else they're taking.
Stroll to the grocery store then.
This is very strange.
Also if the kids are classed as vulnerable or have Statements (or whatever they're called now). In my teacher friend's class that is most of the pupils.
I disagree, a lockdown can have many forms. I think a lot of people think immediately to some of the more extreme forms where in reality, it just means all but essential business will close and people will be instructed to stay at home unless they need to go out for something essential (hospital, dentist, supplies etc). I think they will allow outdoor excercise for now. If it becomes a problem they may stop that too.
This is very strange.
China changed the diagnosis criteria on Feb 12 to include all patients previously diagnosed by clinicians using CT scans and other means, rather than only counting those confirmed by DNA testing.
So here in good old South Africa, we start our 21 day lockdown on Thursday with the army called up to patrol the streets.
Yeah them changing the diagnostic criteria midway has made it really difficult to gauge when they really 'peaked' in terms of total active cases/new cases and when the measures had an effect.
Wont that just lead to pics like we saw over weekend though, people congregating in local parks? Just dont think people can be trusted.
"Lockdown" is a rather vague and imprecise term really. You will see collections of measures that both allow and disallow recreational walks being described as lockdowns.
And that type of thinking is why there's a lot of suicides as it is.
Almost as if people don't have a right to be depressed or struggle because some people have it worse.
Is this thread growing linearly or exponentially?
With probably everything closed (including parks), people may get the message, but yes, there is a strong possibility they won't and stricter enforcement of the curfew using police/army would probably then be enforced. I am just guessing here though obviously, I have no idea what is going to happen.
Here the big public park is open, but they are shutting all the children play parks, skateparks and games areas.
I do and it's a pretty common symptom for sinus infections or general non allergic rhinitis. My wife says i look like a neanderthal when i get them as my brows and everything swell, don't know if that's common mind you
Boris announcement at 8:30pm, I presume BBC 1?
I suspect lockdown.
I suspect lockdown.
it's amazing how many people can watch others go through the "haha, just a flu" "oooh people here getting it" "feck feck feck feck" stages of this and still think its just a flu
Wouldn’t be surprised at the level of stupidity I’m seeing, absolute idiots in the UK so far.
I went for my evening walk earlier and the large recreation park here was locked down. First time.
Lockdown is inevitable. They gave people a weekend to prove they could be trusted and a minority acted like total roasters.
Great, need to see a lot ore of it.
Here it's called stay in home order. Basically like others have said that means all non essential businesses and activities (sit-in restaurants, bars, hair salons, gyms, shopping malls) are closed. Whoever can work from home is working from home. Others work but maintain distance meaning no meeting or gatherings. You can still go for a hike or walk your dog. Social distancing is key.
He wasn't slagging them off though, was he? One might think he was almost excusing them for enjoying themselves in the sun, and thus, encouraging them to do it again today.
Balls out of the bathtub - I think Boris and co have deliberately not forcibly closed these places so that people can congregate meaning that when he does implement full lockdown, the majority of the country will agree with him. He's taken a deliberately phased approach - I think this has been the plan all along but he didn't want to risk public furore by doing it straight off the bat.
Can you still go and get supplies? I know people say get it delivered, but here there is a three week wait for deliveries.
No what I'm saying is there's a big jump between struggling and suicide. There are millions of people alive today who have had their freedom taken away and their time outside severely limited. Most of them struggled with it too. We know it harms mental health in the short term. The reality is people are more resilient than you're portraying and they bounce back from that.
Where the Irish science guy thinks we are on the chart. A hoorish long way to go.
My friend is in Spain and she says yes, no problem - you're allowed to a) go food shopping, b) go to pharmacies, c) go to work if you have no other choice and d) walk the dog. All in measures, of course.
There's too many idiots in this country who hate being told what to do. Just wait for them to still try it on and get arrested.
We’re gonna see a lot more people die, and sadly it’s going to be at the call of the doctors and nurses.
think everyone is being way too harsh on @Camilo. all he said was that feel 'terrified' is an extreme reaction.
some babies die of cancer. does that mean potential parents should be terrified of their kid dying from it too?
air planes sometimes crash. does that mean we would accept being terrified of flying as acceptable behaviour?
you can find anomalies like those you listed in pretty much everything in life. at the end of the day, for the VAST majority of people, we all have nothing to be terrified about.
however not being terrified doesn't mean you don't still isolate, wash hands, and help ensure the NHS isn't stretched even more than is necessary though. theres a lot of people who are already genuinely afraid and rightfully so, but i agree with Camilo it doesn't serve any benefit in adding more fear mongering to an already extreme scenario we're all living.