SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Will we be able to drive? I live in Manchester and want to pick my daughter up who lives in Leeds. My dad just had a mild stroke and she coming back to help. I was going to go at weekend.
 
Alabaster Codify7 said:
He wasn't slagging them off though, was he? One might think he was almost excusing them for enjoying themselves in the sun, and thus, encouraging them to do it again today.

Balls out of the bathtub - I think Boris and co have deliberately not forcibly closed these places so that people can congregate meaning that when he does implement full lockdown, the majority of the country will agree with him. He's taken a deliberately phased approach - I think this has been the plan all along but he didn't want to risk public furore by doing it straight off the bat.
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It's 100% this and people have fell for it.
 
Alabaster Codify7 said:
My friend is in Spain and she says yes, no problem - you're allowed to a) go food shopping, b) go to pharmacies, c) go to work if you have no other choice and d) walk the dog. All in measures, of course.
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Been getting food delivered lately, just to see how efficient it was, never tried it before, now I have no choice but to go and get groceries unless I want to starve waiting for a delivery slot.
 
RedDevilRoshi said:
Lockdown is inevitable. They gave people a weekend to prove they could be trusted and a minority acted like total roasters.
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Why didn't they round up all these at the weekend and force them into full on lockdown, threat of massive fines/jail if they don't, and then the rest of us who can be trusted are allowed to carry on.

It's always the moronic minority that ruin everything for everyone else, in whatever context it never changes.
 
Camy89 said:
Boris announcement at 8:30pm, I presume BBC 1?

I suspect lockdown.
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Not sure what "lockdown" really means but I'd imagine it won't be a full on endgame shutdown just yet. More likely there's a middle stage (or two) to work through before that, where measures are being legally enforced but are not yet as all-encompassing as they will eventually be.
 
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Where the Irish science guy thinks we are on the chart. A hoorish long way to go.
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if Italy's 'evening off' figures are correct and sustained (and we're roughly 4 weeks behind), then that doesn't really match with that chart surely.
 
stepic said:
think everyone is being way too harsh on @Camilo. all he said was that feel 'terrified' is an extreme reaction.

some babies die of cancer. does that mean potential parents should be terrified of their kid dying from it too?
air planes sometimes crash. does that mean we would accept being terrified of flying as acceptable behaviour?

you can find anomalies like those you listed in pretty much everything in life. at the end of the day, for the VAST majority of people, we all have nothing to be terrified about.

however not being terrified doesn't mean you don't still isolate, wash hands, and help ensure the NHS isn't stretched even more than is necessary though. theres a lot of people who are already genuinely afraid and rightfully so, but i agree with Camilo it doesn't serve any benefit in adding more fear mongering to an already extreme scenario we're all living.
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No one is fear mongering, stay at home or more people will die than needs to be. It’s simple, do as you are told.
 
BIGbadBOO4 said:
Will we be able to drive? I live in Manchester and want to pick my daughter up who lives in Leeds. My dad just had a mild stroke and she coming back to help. I was going to go at weekend.
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I would recommend getting the journey done before the weekend
 
Got the text off of the NHS to say to stay in for 12 weeks. I expected it to come, but actually getting it is still a kick in the teeth.
 
lewwoo said:
People using this to score political points. Shouldn't be surprised though to be honest. Corbyn would have it all sorted by now no doubt.
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You bemoaned people using the situation to score political points in your first sentence, and then did just that in your last.
 
stepic said:
if Italy's 'evening off' figures are correct and sustained (and we're roughly 4 weeks behind), then that doesn't really match with that chart surely.
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Every country's curve will be different so it's hard to compare directly like that. Plus even if Italy are now reaching a plateau, that plateau could still last for an extended period. They still have a long way to go on their own curve, unfortunately.
 
RedDevilRoshi said:
Lockdown is inevitable. They gave people a weekend to prove they could be trusted and a minority acted like total roasters.
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Sad really isn't it, they clearly only care for themselves. There's a lot of people in this country mentally ill and were relying on the short time outside with a friend or two as a reprieve, the likelihood they get that now is slim.
 
SalfordRed18 said:
It's 100% this and people have fell for it.
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It definitely is, I'm not for one minute saying it's not the right thing to do, nor that it's the right thing. It's just an observation, it's plain as day to me that the government would have shut the country down weeks ago if they knew they could without causing ructions. Now, they've basically dragged it out and shown that "we can't be trusted" to sort this ourslves, which excuses their heavier approach.
 
F-Red said:
It's ingredients react with oxygen, and most of the containers aren't airtight so you'll see an expiry date as to when it falls below a certain % of effectiveness (usually 90%). It'll have some impact due to the alcohol in it, but it won't be perfect. Wash your hands instead!
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It's for keeping in the car mostly. Got a few others but just occurred to me - surely alcohol based rubs would have one of the longest shelf lives
 
Alabaster Codify7 said:
He wasn't slagging them off though, was he? One might think he was almost excusing them for enjoying themselves in the sun, and thus, encouraging them to do it again today.

Balls out of the bathtub - I think Boris and co have deliberately not forcibly closed these places so that people can congregate meaning that when he does implement full lockdown, the majority of the country will agree with him. He's taken a deliberately phased approach - I think this has been the plan all along but he didn't want to risk public furore by doing it straight off the bat.
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I agree with this. I don't believe the guy who just won an election by repeating "get Brexit done" has completely forgotten the value of simple message discipline in 3 months.
 
Lennon7 said:
It's for keeping in the car mostly. Got a few others but just occurred to me - surely alcohol based rubs would have one of the longest shelf lives
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They do, but alcohol evaporates over time when it reacts with oxygen.
 
I was just talking to my dad and a guy who he works with was saying a week or two ago that his daughter was saying that she wasn't very well and he didn't take her seriously thinking she wanted a day off school etc.

Now apparently the guy, his wife and his daughter all have symptoms and the guy didn't show for work today and another two guys on the site didn't show either. This one ignorant guy has probably infected the whole site and probably many more. My dad's partner is also a carer for the elderly so he's now not happy that he might have inadvertently put people at risk because of this stupid guy.
 
stepic said:
think everyone is being way too harsh on @Camilo. all he said was that feel 'terrified' is an extreme reaction.

some babies die of cancer. does that mean potential parents should be terrified of their kid dying from it too?
air planes sometimes crash. does that mean we would accept being terrified of flying as acceptable behaviour?

you can find anomalies like those you listed in pretty much everything in life. at the end of the day, for the VAST majority of people, we all have nothing to be terrified about.

however not being terrified doesn't mean you don't still isolate, wash hands, and help ensure the NHS isn't stretched even more than is necessary though. theres a lot of people who are already genuinely afraid and rightfully so, but i agree with Camilo it doesn't serve any benefit in adding more fear mongering to an already extreme scenario we're all living.
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I'm not fear mongering. I'm stating the truth. Too many people are underestimating this. The list that I've comprised there accounts for hundred's of thousands of people. I'm not denying that a majority of people have nothing to be terrified about, but it's important people put their 'Well, I'll be ok, so what's the big deal?' attitude to one side and grasp the potential consequences of this. People have behaved like twats this weekend all around the country.

The comparisons you've described aren't fair to a growing pandemic with infections that increase the more people don't comply with the rules. You can't catch cancer from some arsehole who's decided to think they're beyond the rules.
 
stepic said:
think everyone is being way too harsh on @Camilo. all he said was that feel 'terrified' is an extreme reaction.

some babies die of cancer. does that mean potential parents should be terrified of their kid dying from it too?
air planes sometimes crash. does that mean we would accept being terrified of flying as acceptable behaviour?

you can find anomalies like those you listed in pretty much everything in life. at the end of the day, for the VAST majority of people, we all have nothing to be terrified about.

however not being terrified doesn't mean you don't still isolate, wash hands, and help ensure the NHS isn't stretched even more than is necessary though. theres a lot of people who are already genuinely afraid and rightfully so, but i agree with Camilo it doesn't serve any benefit in adding more fear mongering to an already extreme scenario we're all living.
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Babies don't die of cancer because Terry had to be a stubborn twat and ignore the public health warnings not to swan off down the pub to add an extra beer belly to the five he already has.

Airplanes don't crash because Dave, who has "Love Island" in his Interests on Facebook and still has photos of Jordan in his shed despite being married for 8 years to Maggie the School Bike, decided that he wasn't going to be told what to do by some guys in suits because "it's only the flu" so he took the family to the Peak District for the weekend, stopping off at Tesco on the way home to buy more 20% fat mine to add to the collection of twenty packs he's already got in his freezer.

People are being idiots. They're ignoring not just basic decency but common fecking sense. Sometimes extreme indifference requires a response of extreme warning.
 
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One Night Only said:
BA have specifically said they don't want a bailout as they have 9bn anyway so don't need it. Said the other airlines shouldn't get a bailout as its their own fault if they don't have the funds like they do. One way to get rid of the competition.

Btw, these same airlines are the ones who up prices when school holidays are about, up their prices during world cups. Taking what they can, and then asking for more. Absolute wankers.

Feel sorry for their staff, but the country shouldn't be bailing them this time.
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Well in the US, looks like they're going to get some sort of taxpayer funded bailout.
 
Dancfc said:
Probably because numerous people haven't had their other mental releases taken away from them, football, traveling, socialising etc.

Also windows don't cut it and a garden no, I'm on a first floor flat.


Until they get let out and numerous of them are a shadow of their former selves.

I know three people in Italy and two are going of their head and the other is seriously concerned his brother is going the same way.
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Theres a big difference between being a bit bored and turning suicidal.

People are bored and a bit stir crazy but they realise what we are facing here and just get on with it, and communities are being created in the midst of everything. You're overreacting hugely here. Maybe if we are locked inside for 6 months you might have a point, but not after 6 weeks.
 
"I'm enacting Boris Law. You all have a small explosive charge embedded at the base of your spine. I'll explain more tomorrow, because right now I'm off to the pub whey hey!"
 
Prerecorded. Serious business. Your country needs you.
 
Camy89 said:
I'm not fear mongering. I'm stating the truth. Too many people are underestimating this. The list that I've comprised there accounts for hundred's of thousands of people. I'm not denying that a majority of people have nothing to be terrified about, but it's important people put their 'Well, I'll be ok, so what's the big deal?' attitude to one side and grasp the potential consequences of this. People have behaved like twats this weekend all around the country.

The comparisons you've described aren't fair to a growing pandemic with infections that increase the more people don't comply with the rules. You can't catch cancer from some arsehole who's decided to think they're beyond the rules.
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it wasn't your post, it was the original post using the word 'terrifying'. i completely agree that no one should have a 'we'll be ok, so what's the big deal' attitude. and i completely agree people have been behaving like twats this weekend. as i said, everyone should be isolating. but we don't have to be terrified doing it.
 
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