SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Volumiza said:
Not awful asthma, I had it bad as a kid but grew out of it in my late teens. Now it comes and goes, usually in hay fever season but over winter / cold weather it’s a bit worse and just lately it’s been the worst it’s been for years ... comedy timing!

Whenever I have a cold it always ends up on my chest. Never really bothered about it too much but with this thing ... well, can’t say I’m not concerned.

What about you? You say you’re on the risk list? How come?
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Yeah, Asthma very similar to yourself.

Are you based in U.K?
 
Camilo said:
Maybe I'm a cold bastard, fair enough.

I just think it'll be fine. You'll be fine. Most of us will be absolutely fine.. It's worth a look at the numbers of people dying from heart disease, from strokes, from cancers.. I think it helps keep perspective on all this.
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Numbers are numbers. I get my perspective from people. I have close work colleagues in both Italy and France and the way their lives have been affected is astonishing.

Two of my UK friends have been laid off for a minimum of 3 months unpaid. Elderly neighbours are living in isolation and fear.

Ultimately most people will be fine if we just look at numbers, but sorry to burst your bubble, there’s nothing guaranteeing you will be fine or those close to you, regardless of age.
 
Volumiza said:
Not awful asthma, I had it bad as a kid but grew out of it in my late teens. Now it comes and goes, usually in hay fever season but over winter / cold weather it’s a bit worse and just lately it’s been the worst it’s been for years ... comedy timing!

Whenever I have a cold it always ends up on my chest. Never really bothered about it too much but with this thing ... well, can’t say I’m not concerned.

What about you? You say you’re on the risk list? How come?
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With regards the guidelines (not sure if you've seen them but I'll post them on @Grinner 's info only thread) they're fairly comprehensive. I also have asthma and it also just flares up when I get virally.

Currently if you take a ventolin/blue inhaler more than 3 times per week, you just have to increase social distancing. Things get more serious if you require 3rd line things like montelukast and high dosed steroidal inhalers.

As I say, I'll post those guidelines up and you can have a wee look yourself to see where you fall into.
 
Camy89 said:
- People are being made DNACPR upon arrival to a hospital if they are over a certain age with even 1 co-morbidity. Fact of the matter is if they required ITU and there's one bed left, the person without the co-morbidity will be taken. The other person? Sent to the ward without nearly as much monitoring or oxygen availability. Wards in London have reported multiple patients being sent there to slowly fade.
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So this has already started happening? I don't even know what to say. We don't even hit the the peak of the virus until about mid May.
 
Ainu said:
I haven't read anything about that, but it doesn't strike me as too worrying per se. My sense of taste and smell is always fecked when I'm sick. By the way, first time the number of new infections in a day have decreased over here. Too early to draw any conclusions but let's keep our fingers crossed it's the measures taking effect. It seems early for that but I'll take any sort of good news right now.
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Yep, almost completely lost my sense of smell. Bleaching the toilet, can't smell it, nose in a coffee pot, can't smell it. Bought some mothers day flowers from interflora and can't smell a thing. Randomly, I can smell broccoli, must have something to do with which nasal receptors are affected? That's just a guess though.

Was having a set to with the Mrs all weekend about a smell in the kitchen. I was adamant I couldn't smell anything and she thought I was taking the piss.

Been about three days now, last in London on the 12th March, since then only a brief check in to a Sainsbury's local and picking up my kid from nursery, which is where I suspect it came from.

Couple of aches and pains and some sniffles which I dismissed as I was already at home and daughter had a cold. If these are the only symptoms I get ill count myself very lucky if I do indeed have it.
 
My country's government is doing really well at the moment in my opinion. We are adding extra emergency hospital beds in record pace. Communication has been excellent too. Glad.
 
Camilo said:
We're all going to get it.... Terrifying is a very strong word. It's killing very small numbers of old people, and I'm not old. There are far scarier things out there, and we don't worry about them on a daily basis... If you were older then sure, it's a scary time. Of course maybe the guy I initially quoted is over 70, or perhaps is worried about family...

But terrifying? Nah, I don't think it's right to let such drama go unchallenged.
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I think you're right. It's awful that a lot of people are going to die from this, but most aren't. It'll be the panic and people freaking out that causes most problems with this. Now that's not to say that we can't do a lot better to reduce the casualty numbers. I think there have been definite failures with that from our leaders.
 
Traub said:
My country (South Africa) going into 21 day national lockdown from Thursday.
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Yeah my family just told me about this.

In general SA have been way more on it and proactive then we have... And when the SA government is making you look bad, then you know you've really shit the bed.
 
Camy89 said:
With regards the guidelines (not sure if you've seen them but I'll post them on @Grinner 's info only thread) they're fairly comprehensive. I also have asthma and it also just flares up when I get virally.

Currently if you take a ventolin/blue inhaler more than 3 times per week, you just have to increase social distancing. Things get more serious if you require 3rd line things like montelukast and high dosed steroidal inhalers.

As I say, I'll post those guidelines up and you can have a wee look yourself to see where you fall into.
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Thanks, yes I’m being a very good boy and social distancing ... I don’t find that so hard, I like my own company for the most part :lol:
 
predator said:
Strong rumours of a UK lockdown being announced later. What do we think?
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Highly likely, a cobra meeting has a wide involvement of various bodies and to make such changes ie. a lockdown, then i'm sure military would be consulted as part of that process.
 
Camy89 said:
Deep breaths.

- What about the 34yr old neutropaenic chemotherapy patient?
- What about the 17yr old with arthritis on immunosuppressing methotrexate long term?
- What about the 21yr old girl with cystic fibrosis?
- What about the 31yr old guy with chronically poorly controlled asthma who's already had 1 ITU stay in the past year?
- What about the 39yr old diabetic man?
- What about the 42 yr old liver transplant lady on anti-rejection medication?
- What about the 36yr old nurse in London who's currently ventilated previously being fit and well?

All these groups, except for the last one, are high risk. To assume this is simply a disease of the old is naïve. I'm happy you're not old. I'm not old either but this is quite frankly an unprecedented event we are about to deal with. It's all very well to just wave this away because you'll likely get mild symptoms, but it's time to stop being so selfish and start looking out for others more vulnerable than yourself. I don't know if you're British, but it's starting to piss me off here in the UK at people's apparent blasé approach to this - congregating at the beach at the weekend just past, going for large group cycles, that 'essential' travel to Snowdonia as seen on GMB. People need to be shit-scared of this, it's the only way they'll wise-the-feck-up and refrain from such things.

We had a significant update today that has come close to home. One of our nurses took unwell on Thursday and is now tubed and ventilated after contracting COVID.

I want people to realise just what is going on and what will happen:

- Hospitals are woefully unprepared for this, despite the best efforts of those working there, the tsunami of patients expected in the coming weeks will cripple the NHS. There's not enough PPE available. There's not enough tests - staff aren't being tested for it. There's not enough beds. One hospital here wont have enough oxygen ffs.

- People are being made DNACPR upon arrival to a hospital if they are over a certain age with even 1 co-morbidity. Fact of the matter is if they required ITU and there's one bed left, the person without the co-morbidity will be taken. The other person? Sent to the ward without nearly as much monitoring or oxygen availability. Wards in London have reported multiple patients being sent there to slowly fade.

- Staff in ITU have been briefed on dealing with colleague bereavement. Mental health is being prioritised for the staff.

- Operations requiring ITU care post surgically are being cancelled to save space. That has significant repurcussions for the general public.

- There are beds available at the moment in ITU, but in 2 - 3 weeks time? Place is going to be a shitshow.

Many people will die and they wont just be a 'tiny number of old people'. I'm not saying this to stoke fear, but quite frankly it's got to the point now I need to be realistic to others as to what is happening in the hospitals and what we're being told. I don't give a feck if you're not old, or if you're mate's aren't old. I give a feck about people adhering to the strict guidelines set out to them (and I hope we move to lockdown very quickly) in order to protect as many people as possible.

This is unprecedented.
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It is unprecedented and it is going to kill loads of people. But that wasn't what I was responding to.

Look it doesn't matter, we all get it, I just didn't agree on the being terrified thing. It's fine. Each to their own.
 
Prometheus said:
So this has already started happening? I don't even know what to say. We don't even hit the the peak of the virus until about mid May.
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In parts, yes. I don't want to waft the fire of fear, but it's important for people to know that if they come in with a loved one that difficult conversations may be initiated from the get go.
 
Camy89 said:
With regards the guidelines (not sure if you've seen them but I'll post them on @Grinner 's info only thread) they're fairly comprehensive. I also have asthma and it also just flares up when I get virally.

Currently if you take a ventolin/blue inhaler more than 3 times per week, you just have to increase social distancing. Things get more serious if you require 3rd line things like montelukast and high dosed steroidal inhalers.

As I say, I'll post those guidelines up and you can have a wee look yourself to see where you fall into.
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I also have asthma, started late (30 years old). At first I had to use albuterol all the time but now I have it under control (use one puff of breo every 7-10 days). I think my asthma is due to allergies (cats/dust) since I never suffer from it on vacations. Also it never bothered me when I had a regular cold so I'm optimistic.
 
I've started implementing hour long nature/woods walks daily to refresh me mentally and it's the best I've felt since football was taken away.

If I'm now going to lose even that....
 
Maagge said:
That's what I'm clinging to yeah.
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The thousands and thousands of people that are just in self quarantine won’t have been tested again either. It’s probably a case of 14% of all hospital cases SO FAR have resulted in death. Hopefully many more are back on the streets healthy by next week.
 
F-Red said:
Some things are more important sadly.
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If you deny people the chance to excercise and get some natural light than we will go straight from a coronovirus pandemic to a mental breakdown pandemic and lose a significantly amount more people to suicide than even the worst case scenario of the virus, not to mention the health problems lack of natural light/abscene from the sun will cause.
 
Damien said:
I'd say pretty likely with there being a COBRA meeting at this time. Overdue.
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The PM is going to speak to that nation at 20:30 about new measures so hopefully something big. I hope we don't get more wishy-washy but this is BO JO we are talking about.
 
WR said:
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FFS salmonellae woman.

As an aside, that is to me the single greatest skit in WWE.

I loved the part where austin couldn't reach a box and only got it at the third try, dumped the contents over booker and says 'I hope you like these, they were hard to come by'

Genius.
 
Dancfc said:
If you deny people the chance to excercise and get some natural light than we will go straight from a coronovirus pandemic to a mental breakdown pandemic and lose a significantly amount more people to suicide than even the worst case scenario of the virus, not to mention the health problems lack of natural light/abscene from the sun will cause.
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That is a severe extreme, and a ridiculous worst case scenario to try to compare. No one is saying that people are stopping natural light, it's simply not interacting with people & it's clear that many people cannot manage this.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
Indeed! Do you know if having lifelong Asthma gives you 'vulnerable' status for stuff like shopping delivery etc?

I've heard people state that letters would be sent out but I'm not sure of the validity of this...
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Depends on what you take, what dose you take and how often. I've put a link in the info only COVID thread for any fellow asthmatics.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
Indeed! Do you know if having lifelong Asthma gives you 'vulnerable' status for stuff like shopping delivery etc?

I've heard people state that letters would be sent out but I'm not sure of the validity of this...
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I think letters are for asthma sufferers on heavier medication than the ventolins.

I know lots have far worse asthma than me but it doesn’t stop me feeling vulnerable for the first time in my whole life and it’s a sobering thought ... I’m not a kid anymore :lol:
 
Suedesi said:
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Honestly, I would take any new research on this with a pinch of salt. Just like the chloroquine, they are just very basic study and in this case, I cannot even find the original source. All this seems to be stemming from one doctor who is just randomly quoting that 30% of patients in china/ S korea reported this, and not referencing any source for it.
 
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