Each to their own. I've watched most of my family die of cancer (a far, far more likely way to die) but I'd never say I find it terrifying.
Most of us will be absolutely fine.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Each to their own. I've watched most of my family die of cancer (a far, far more likely way to die) but I'd never say I find it terrifying.
Most of us will be absolutely fine.
I fully expect to be in lockdown all through April, and whilst cases might fall the death stats will not for some time yet. They will lag behind the cases by at least a week and will probably get younger as time goes on.
I plead the fifth
Well it's terrifying for me, subjectively.
Great for you if you're not in a risk category / or are ignorant to the point of bliss, but for me, as an individual in a risk group and with a young family and people depending on me - it is terrifying and with good reason.
The 'drama' you are bothered by may not be the same for you, but don't fecking try and tell other people how they should / shouldn't be concerned when you know absolutely feck all about their individual situation.
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Statement at 8:30 this looks like it's going to be a lockdown hopefully.
Is there anything scarier than potential death? I mean, to most people that is the pinnacle isn't it?
Coronavirus (or the flu) is not terrifying if you can guarantee top class medical help IF you need it. It's not the disease itself that is terrifying (since there is a 95% chance you just have mild symptoms), it's the potential lack of medical assistance if you are one of the unlucky 5%.
That is the fear.
Shopping was a breeze this morning, plenty of stock, just got what I need, hopefully some saw sense but perhaps they can't fit any more in. I heard people talking about stores being sold out of fridge freezers, the cheeky bastard hoarders probably have a garage full.
Imagine being able to buy a freezer on a whim
Should a hospital bed really be wasted on someone like this? House arrest so he can't infect anyone else and if he dies, no great loss.
The two sentences I’ve highlighted tell me all I need to know about you.
Dude. I’m 45 with asthma. I’m terrified of it and don’t mind admitting. First thing in my whole life I’ve been scared of. Good for you and your confidence.
That's cold.
Are you the person that was saying the other day 'we need people to get it?'
That makes sense now.
I heard that, it's sad how selfish people are.
Well said.
Sounds like it. Maybe those idiots on the weekend have brought it forward whereas it would have been delayed some time otherwise.
There was a report here of a 95-year-old lady who's recovered and gone home, after being in hospital since 5 March. She must be tough as old boots, bless her.
The weekend may help long term rather than cause the damage that we were all fearing.
What I've been worried about today is the fact that of all the cases that have had an outcome 14 % have resulted in death.
I love these stories of really old people that are somehow made of teflon. I hope that she gets a few healthy decades.
you can almost picture her.How bad is your Asthma, Vol? Does it cause you day to day problems?
How is normally affected when you get a heavy cold etc?
It's good to hear a positive out of all this.
France with past 24h:
Cases 19,856 +3176
Deaths 860 +186
Cases 19,856 +3176
Deaths 860 +186
Really feel Boris tried to give the benefit of the doubt, let people make the choice to listen to the government, but a lockdown was inevitable. The images of the tube today, I can't believe all those passengers were critical workers.
Amazing. Hope she has many more years to come.
He did to be fair to him, I think he's been left with no alternative.
This isn't on people, this is on business continuing to operate.
I work in a warehouse which currently employs circa 3000 people, they are not closing... What do you expect those people to do?
Symptoms take a couple of weeks to clear dont they? 2 weeks ago we had just beaten City in front of a full crowd and there wasn't that much spread around the world (but it was getting there). So the big explosion of new cases over the last 2 weeks, pretty much the only ones that would have been "closed" would be deaths. Mild cases that were freshly diagnosed within the past week wouldn't yet clear.
My country (South Africa) going into 21 day national lockdown from Thursday.
The businesses are at fault here, I agree. TFL for reducing services too, it's had the opposite effect.
That's what I'm clinging to yeah.
Maybe I'm a cold bastard, fair enough.
I just think it'll be fine. You'll be fine. Most of us will be absolutely fine.. It's worth a look at the numbers of people dying from heart disease, from strokes, from cancers.. I think it helps keep perspective on all this.
Not totally clued up on this, but have the Democrats in USA really blocked givernement financial aid to businesses?
Not awful asthma, I had it bad as a kid but grew out of it in my late teens. Now it comes and goes, usually in hay fever season but over winter / cold weather it’s a bit worse and just lately it’s been the worst it’s been for years ... comedy timing!
Whenever I have a cold it always ends up on my chest. Never really bothered about it too much but with this thing ... well, can’t say I’m not concerned.
What about you? You say you’re on the risk list? How come?
Deep breaths.
- What about the 34yr old neutropaenic chemotherapy patient?
- What about the 17yr old with arthritis on immunosuppressing methotrexate long term?
- What about the 21yr old girl with cystic fibrosis?
- What about the 31yr old guy with chronically poorly controlled asthma who's already had 1 ITU stay in the past year?
- What about the 39yr old diabetic man?
- What about the 42 yr old liver transplant lady on anti-rejection medication?
- What about the 36yr old nurse in London who's currently ventilated previously being fit and well?
All these groups, except for the last one, are high risk. To assume this is simply a disease of the old is naïve. I'm happy you're not old. I'm not old either but this is quite frankly an unprecedented event we are about to deal with. It's all very well to just wave this away because you'll likely get mild symptoms, but it's time to stop being so selfish and start looking out for others more vulnerable than yourself. I don't know if you're British, but it's starting to piss me off here in the UK at people's apparent blasé approach to this - congregating at the beach at the weekend just past, going for large group cycles, that 'essential' travel to Snowdonia as seen on GMB. People need to be shit-scared of this, it's the only way they'll wise-the-feck-up and refrain from such things.
We had a significant update today that has come close to home. One of our nurses took unwell on Thursday and is now tubed and ventilated after contracting COVID.
I want people to realise just what is going on and what will happen:
- Hospitals are woefully unprepared for this, despite the best efforts of those working there, the tsunami of patients expected in the coming weeks will cripple the NHS. There's not enough PPE available. There's not enough tests - staff aren't being tested for it. There's not enough beds. One hospital here wont have enough oxygen ffs.
- People are being made DNACPR upon arrival to a hospital if they are over a certain age with even 1 co-morbidity. Fact of the matter is if they required ITU and there's one bed left, the person without the co-morbidity will be taken. The other person? Sent to the ward without nearly as much monitoring or oxygen availability. Wards in London have reported multiple patients being sent there to slowly fade.
- Staff in ITU have been briefed on dealing with colleague bereavement. Mental health is being prioritised for the staff.
- Operations requiring ITU care post surgically are being cancelled to save space. That has significant repurcussions for the general public.
- There are beds available at the moment in ITU, but in 2 - 3 weeks time? Place is going to be a shitshow.
Many people will die and they wont just be a 'tiny number of old people'. I'm not saying this to stoke fear, but quite frankly it's got to the point now I need to be realistic to others as to what is happening in the hospitals and what we're being told. I don't give a feck if you're not old, or if you're mate's aren't old. I give a feck about people adhering to the strict guidelines set out to them (and I hope we move to lockdown very quickly) in order to protect as many people as possible.
This is unprecedented.
Yes something to do with not enough financial support to the ordinary people but a lot of support to the corporations.
Yeah there’s a $500bn dollar corporate slush fund which specifically says that the recipients will have their identities protected for 6 months and Steve Mnunchin has free reign over how to allocate it.
The democrats are being very clear that they want to protect all businesses and all Americans, not just bail out the corporations who have already abused their tax cuts by using it for stock buybacks rather than trickle down like they promised.