SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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No, a flat
This is what I'm talking about. An absolute joke that they have been allowed a loophole to stay open. Obviously people will go if they are open like pubs last week. This needs sorting quick otherwise can it trips to the Trafford centre will be on all next week. Time for all but essential retail to be closed.
I genuinely don’t understand it. Sadly I think it takes for a close relative or friend to catch it for it to hit home with people.
Moron. Sadly a portion will agree with him
Regardless, people like you and me need to give up. I'm still in the mindset that I'll be alright but we know this virus discriminates like hell.Is there any new evidence or new reports about smokers beeing more affected by Covid-19?
https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMc2004973?articleTools=true
3hrs in aerosol
72hrs on plastic and stainless steel (although importantly, the half life is 5 - 6 hours) on these surfaces.
24hrs on cardboard
4hrs on copper
Edit: @0le has noted that it doesn't stipulate what kind of stainless steel and that there are many different types of surfaces within these categories listed above, so take this with a handful of salt. Also, I should have mentioned to be fair, I mentioned 3hrs in aerosol/droplets, however this was the length of the experiment so may actually last longer.
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He has a history of questioning climate change, scientific consensus etc. I don't have an issue with him questioning climate change, he is not a denier more of a questioner. In that regard I think he is fine.
But at the same time wouldn't be surprised to see him question the lockdown stuff stupidly.
What an incredibly silly post. What on earth does any of this have to do with political correctness?
People are criticising Trump and Johnson because they had a HUGE amount of warning and have not taken it even slightly seriously. People have also rightly criticised China but let's be frank here. The first case in the UK was on the 31st January. Almost 2 months ago now. China showed how seriously they were taking it when they shut down an entire province, including a city bigger than London, on 23rd January.
Yet in the West, people do not take it seriously. They're still not taking it seriously. And because of the generally more individual nature of Western societies vs Eastern, clearly many people do not like being told what to do.
Also, just so you know. We caricature the Chinese government and their repression and talk about the relative transparency of the British governments. Where China shut down on their whistleblower for this virus, the NHS and British governments have been systematically shutting down British doctors who have whistleblown over the last decade or so. Pretty much all of whom have ended up losing their jobs due to some bs pretence and never finding a job in the NHS again. Very little reporting on this in the 'impartial' British media though.
In the end, we're just pawns used by the governments, who have no issues silencing us wherever we are when its politically expedient for them.
Incidentally, some people in the USA do eat snakes as well as alligators.
I wouldn't put that in the same category as questioning climate change. Here in Germany virologists have spoken out against lockdowns using rather strong language such as "disastrous" and "catastrophic". There is definitely a politcal element to this, i.e. nobody wants to be accused of doing nothing. I guess time will tell what the best course of action is/was.
Why do celebrities feel the need to speak up about matters way outside their fields of expertise? On here & elsewhere, as a non-famous person, I can afford to recklessly give my opinion on things; but if I was famous, there's no way I'd inflict my ignorant and naive views about serious matters onto the public.
Don’t have a clue what half of what you said has to do with the Coronavirus but anyhow.
My point is this. Regardless of British government this USA government that, the fact is if the Chinese government had acted in November the world would be relatively normal.
Its pretty clear now that that the government is lying when they keep saying there is no food shortages. I have some friends who work in the supermarket industry and i am hearing that the depots have ran out a lot of stock and that they are struggling badly to source more of that stock.
I suppose it was inevitable that these issues would occur when the supermarkets have done months worth of sales in a 2 week period.
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They're trying to stay relevant throughout all of this.
I've lived in Japan for what would be called a long time now and I can tell you that recently many Japanese have decided to believe the govt here that wants the Olympics at all costs - even potentially the lives of citizens and residents. Japanese people are now getting into the mode of there's nothing to see, Japan is the outlier, look at how bad everywhere else is, etc. Over a 1,000 cases and 35 deaths - looks much better than elsewhere doesn't it?
I'll tell you why the stats are so low for a country with 125 million people - around 121 people per 1 million are being tested. If that. That's right, no testing no problem! Doctors who have been exposed to patients with COVID-19 have been refused tests to give you some idea of this disgraceful 'strategy.' Most people who have symptoms similar to the virus have been denied tests and told to stay at home. As somebody who lives here I can tell you I don't feel very safe with this official policy.
More food for thought - Japan regularly doesn't do autopsies. I bet you some deaths have only been listed as heart trouble etc as the virus is most hard on those with underlying conditions. This game of chance being played out has already had a disturbing trend - cases have jumped in the Kansai area which is not where Tokyo is. Osaka and Kobe are the cities in Kansai and cases are growing quickly there.
The Japanese for the most are incredibly nationalistic, even the young ones, and they are prematurely congratulating themselves on Japan being cleaner and more superior to everywhere else. Crowds are flocking together again, hand sanitizers have disappeared from some places and people are planning overseas travel. Thank God my country banned all non citizens or residents or we'd have many Japanese tourists coming and spreading the virus.
Expect to hear about a big movement upwards in numbers over the next month or so. Or expect as I do that the Japanese Government will do everything it can to conceal them by maintaining low levels of testing. Scumbags.
I’m finding celebrities so annoying during this. Please be quiet in your mansions with indoor gyms etc. It’s probably jealously from my part but I don’t care.
“Keep Calm & Carry On” Johnson Tells Room Full Of Corpses
https://waterfordwhispersnews.com/20...ng-a-pandemic/
https://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2020/03/20/keep-calm-carry-on-johnson-tells-room-full-of-corpses/
EVOKING the daring-do of the great generation that survived World War II, but won’t survive him, Britain’s PM Boris Johnson delivered an impassioned speech to a room of corpses which contracted and subsequently died from Covid-19.
“Keep calm and carry on, ” Johnson bellowed, delighted with how the markets have ‘rallied’ and the pound has ‘jumped up’ in response to his government’s prioritising of profit over people these past two weeks.
Despite the cold and stark surroundings of a near capacity morgue, Johnson, encouraged by the lack of dissenting voices among his captive audience, continued his speech full of vim and vigour.
“We shall socialise on the beaches, we shall congregate en masse on the landing grounds, we shall get pissed in the fields and in the streets, we shall lie to the hilt; we shall never surrender to logic and the haunting pleas from kindhearted nations begging us to save our own people and not make the same mistakes they did.”
“Oh, no wait, scratch that; close everything,” Johnson said in disagreement with himself for the 50th time this week.
Interrupted just as he was hitting his stride by a doctor at the end of their tether, Johnson labelled the doctor’s talk of the corpses having no pulse as typical of the ‘project fear’ presided over by ‘experts’ everyone had long had enough of.
Johnson reminded the corpses of how they could be confident ‘increased levels of testing were on their way’ after he wrote it on the side of a bus rammed full of people somehow still going to and from work in their droves.
“Follow my lead when it comes those children of mine that I refuse to admit to exist; simply remain socially distant,” Johnson concluded, before asking to be left alone with the corpses for as long as it takes him to remove any valuables, such as wedding rings, wallets and watches.
https://waterfordwhispersnews.com/20...ng-a-pandemic/
https://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2020/03/20/keep-calm-carry-on-johnson-tells-room-full-of-corpses/
EVOKING the daring-do of the great generation that survived World War II, but won’t survive him, Britain’s PM Boris Johnson delivered an impassioned speech to a room of corpses which contracted and subsequently died from Covid-19.
“Keep calm and carry on, ” Johnson bellowed, delighted with how the markets have ‘rallied’ and the pound has ‘jumped up’ in response to his government’s prioritising of profit over people these past two weeks.
Despite the cold and stark surroundings of a near capacity morgue, Johnson, encouraged by the lack of dissenting voices among his captive audience, continued his speech full of vim and vigour.
“We shall socialise on the beaches, we shall congregate en masse on the landing grounds, we shall get pissed in the fields and in the streets, we shall lie to the hilt; we shall never surrender to logic and the haunting pleas from kindhearted nations begging us to save our own people and not make the same mistakes they did.”
“Oh, no wait, scratch that; close everything,” Johnson said in disagreement with himself for the 50th time this week.
Interrupted just as he was hitting his stride by a doctor at the end of their tether, Johnson labelled the doctor’s talk of the corpses having no pulse as typical of the ‘project fear’ presided over by ‘experts’ everyone had long had enough of.
Johnson reminded the corpses of how they could be confident ‘increased levels of testing were on their way’ after he wrote it on the side of a bus rammed full of people somehow still going to and from work in their droves.
“Follow my lead when it comes those children of mine that I refuse to admit to exist; simply remain socially distant,” Johnson concluded, before asking to be left alone with the corpses for as long as it takes him to remove any valuables, such as wedding rings, wallets and watches.
Interesting, it ties in with the IOC‘s intransigence so far.
Thank you, this was a much needed laugh. Made the in laws laugh as well!
Things are getting pretty bad in some London trusts now. Probably not helped by ten years of Tory cuts and 'streamlining' of the NHS, which means its pretty much always running near full capacity and on a war like footing:
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Healthcare_resource_statistics_-_beds
https://www.euronews.com/2020/03/19/covid-19-how-many-intensive-care-beds-do-member-states-have
Near the bottom in Europe for both beds in general and ICU beds. Not good.
What is confusing you with regards to the relevance of Coronavirus?
We've had almost 2 months to prepare in the UK for instance since the first case. What have we done?
Nearly everything here is wrong, the most objective mistake being the idea of them "knowing about it since November" (it's actually mid-January) which makes your rant a rather uninformed piece.
And it's a growing angle that will certainly be used by the likes of Trump to deflect blame. Think of the propaganda campaign you're unwillingly participating in and readress your position with reading, investigation and questions (many here are willing to answer, including me).
So true. There was a stream of famous people showing how to wash your hands last week!
The Lancet medical journal also warned the UK about this in January and the government ignored it's findings and the information shared by the Chinese scientists. It doesn't have to be an either/or when it comes to blame. Clearly parts of the West did not respond to this threat well regardless of China's situation.
Fair enough. Didn’t go back two weeks! Hopefully he has cottoned on since then.
I am indifferent - there are unfortunately a % of people who wouldn’t have survived if there was any form of natural selection.
If it takes one of the Kardashian brothers to make them wash their hands, then so be it. The end result is a net gain for society.
With their ageing population.. recipe for disaster
Tobacconists.
I do. I started in order to give up cigarettes about 5 years ago, and I like it. I don't mind being addicted to nicotine and it doesn't make me cough.
I agree it's irritating. Unfortunately it's the kind of world we live in - moronic people require Kim Kardashian twerking with a face mask on to think 'Oh, maybe it is quite bad'.
I'm not in any way a supporter of China or Chinese people bashing but the fact is around 5 million Chinese tourists left China this year in February for the Chinese New Year period and effectively took what was the Wuhan Virus then to the world. The Chinese Government knew in November of a new virus that had appeared in the Hubei region and then took off.
I was in Hong Kong in December for vacation and believe me if I had known about the virus, I wouldn't have gone near HK which is just over the border from Shenzen and that province is not near Hubei. Even if people want to make excuses for China, their surveillance of their population is incredibly heavy and structured. Yes they knew about the new virus in November, December at the latest if you want to make excuses for the government there, and it was very clear in January what a problem it was.
Of course if other countries had focused on building new economies to adjust to changing times and not relied so heavily on China then we wouldn't have had so many economic repercussions such as idle shipping and cutting of supply lines plus many businesses with strong Chinese connections going under at the moment. We also wouldn't have had the virus spreading through business contact such as in Singapore which has handled the emergency magnificently but is still getting too many cases. Italy also has had many business as well as tourist contacts with China.
My own country has a dangerous over-reliance on Chinese students at all levels - the international student 'industry' in western countries is a risky industry to rely on at the best of times.
Decided to venture outside for about the first time in a week for a quick walk around a country park and it is rammed!
The amount of old people I have seen pull in. Haven’t gotten out my car, straight back in and probably back home now, heaving here.
The amount of old people I have seen pull in. Haven’t gotten out my car, straight back in and probably back home now, heaving here.
The virus began in China. China had two months to acknowledge it and respond to it. Instead they covered it up and threw essential workers in jail. Had China had reacted quicker the world wouldn’t be in the situation that its in today.
What could the U.K. do? If as soon as news of a virus in China came out, one that China initially denied , we had banned flights from that country and barred their nationals from entering our country we would have appeared “xenophobic” or overreacting, if as soon as as it went pandemic in Italy we closed our borders again people would have said “overreaction”. Every other country can do it preemptively but when the U.K. does it it’s somehow racist.
China should have closed its borders from November onwards.
Don’t get it twisted...fecking up the world lies solely at the hands of the government of China. And I hope when this calms down that country is held to account for its irresponsible actions from November to January and made to pay.
Matt le Tissier coming across like a right knob. Stick to football you thick cnut.
Yes I think so. It's just come on the BBC again as a main headline there's plenty of stock, just that they can't keep the shelves stocked up fast enough but the huge Morrisons near me has been cleared last weekend, nothing all week and there's nothing to put on the shelves this Saturday morning as I asked them and don't know when next. The few staff there are just spreading around items that won't sell around the barren shelves.
At least in Aldi they're somewhat stacking shelves rapidly and clearly have some stuff on backup. Good job we have a German company in Aldi, some fruit and veg shops and corner shop still.
So...what's gonna happen to all the high-ranking officials who benefited from insider trading regarding the coronacrisis? These cnuts probably would like the crisis to get even worse so they can buy stocks even cheaper.
That's why I decided to venture to our small local park in the morning instead. It's going to be mayhem trying to get people to stay apart from the warm weather kicks in.
How the feck would they have acted in November to a problem that was only comprehended by mid-january? Think, think, think.
What the actual feck is the BBC doing putting out ‘it might not be so bad’ stuff like this?!
Coronavirus deaths: What we don't know https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51979654
Seems wildly irresponsible.
Coronavirus deaths: What we don't know https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51979654
Seems wildly irresponsible.
I think they have grossly underestimated how much the population would need. Good job this hasn’t happened immediately after brexit is done otherwise people would be trying to get knickers off a bare arse
I heard about a virus in China in December and Dr’s being thrown in prison. If that’s when the western media heard about it, imagine how long it was probably going on for. The Chinese government acknowledged it January, does not mean they did not know about it sooner.