SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Pharmacy criticised for selling '60p paracetamol' for £6 during UK coronavirus outbreak



That's capitalism.
 
 
First death in Bosnia, older woman(72-3 year old), she was admitted to hospital yesterday but only tested now after the death from my understanding, she was positive for Covid-19. Also had a history of multiple complications before. Around 100 cases here so far, but more than 6000 in strict home quarantine.
 
Arruda said:
Magnificent list of completely unbiased sources.
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Why do you keep denying the sources? What's your source of denying it?

Also how do you explain illegal wet markets in China for years? Are they even illegal? How can a public market be illegal actually? It' pretty obvious the chinese authorities wouldn't care too much about them.
 
Amar__ said:
Why do you keep denying the sources? What's your source of denying it?

Also how do you explain illegal wet markets in China for years? Are they even illegal? How can a public market be illegal actually? It' pretty obvious the chinese authorities wouldn't care too much about them.
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It's not the sources themselves, it's how they are chosen. That's what you find when you google something like "chinese cover-up of coronavirus". Do you think this is a reasonable way of informing yourself? You're entering yourself into an echo-chamber if you approach any subject that way.

And then people approach them without context. Yes, it may very well be true that local health officials destroyed samples of the virus, but does that really goes against anything I've said? Dozens of labs would have been studying that virus, I expect (it's genome was still known almost immediately after that), and it falls under the umbrella of the many "mistakes" I pointed above. Scared and stupid officials afraid of the consequences of an outbreak and in denial. In the end, how can you calculate the difference it made in the end? A few days?


As for wet markets, what I've read is that they were made illegal a few years ago, but these restrictions were slowly eased-up due to lobbying. I am not sure of this, but t's what I remember.

Yes, it's a feck up, they clearly miscalculated the risk of these markets. But we're all blaming them in hindsight, it's like becoming anti-nuclear only after Chernobyl.
 
Amar__ said:
Why do you keep denying the sources? What's your source of denying it?

Also how do you explain illegal wet markets in China for years? Are they even illegal? How can a public market be illegal actually? It' pretty obvious the chinese authorities wouldn't care too much about them.
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As far as I know wet markets aren't illegal. Some markets sell illegal things but that's true in all countries.
 
Arruda said:
It's not the sources themselves, it's how they are chosen. That's what you find when you google something like "chinese cover-up of coronavirus". Do you think this is a reasonable way of informing yourself? You're entering yourself into an echo-chamber if you approach any subject that way.

As for wet markets, what I've read is that they were made illegal a few years ago, but these restrictions were slowly eased-up due to lobbying. I am not sure of this, but t's what I remember.

Yes, it's a feck up, they clearly miscalculated the risk of these markets. But we're all blaming them in hindsight, it's like becoming anti-nuclear only after Chernobyl.
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Indeed. Blaming China isn't going to keep anyone alive.
 
We have got no chance in the UK , there are 2 holiday homes in our village and both have got families in . Social distancing my feckin arse .
 
Apparently nearly 600 died today in Lombardy alone. Italy will reach 800 today and will exceed 1,000 deaths per day within a week. This is shocking.
 
I think people in the UK have a deeply ingrained 'It won't happen to me' attitude.

That is a dangerous and selfish approach towards this.
 
Drawfull said:
The government need to grow a pair, rapidly, and move away from advisory bollocks to a proper lockdown.
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Dead right , Bangor hospital serves all of Anglesey and most of North Wales , ICU is already at its limit , we are fecked.
 
Sarni said:
Apparently nearly 600 died today in Lombardy alone. Italy will reach 800 today and will exceed 1,000 deaths per day within a week. This is shocking.
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With this progresion they will reach it tomorrow or after tomorrow.

Spain progresion is worse. Even being 2 weeks behind, they will reach 1000 deaths in 5-6.

tens of thousands, probably hundreds of thousands will die among the 2 countries. Probably millions in plural just in europe. Like flue my ass
 
Surely the Italian numbers will drop in the next week or so, they are all locked in aren't they? This must be the delayed reaction.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
Surely the Italian numbers will drop in the next week or so, they are all locked in aren't they? This must be the delayed reaction.
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They should drop as long as they are not asholes like in Spain that this weekend tried to go to their second residence. Will see how good the lock down had been. I chinese doctor based there said that they are not doing enough
 
Lots of people saying retail shots are very busy. I think this is just people trying to be normal, it’s not about “feck the virus” or “won’t happen to me” people are not used to being in chains.

Best thing the government can do is close all retail shops. But allow people to still go out their homes.. enforce no lingering outside laws, so people outside are only walking either for exercise or to get from a-b and most people are lazy feckers once that’s done they’ll rather stay at home.
 
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C'est Moi Cantona said:
Surely the Italian numbers will drop in the next week or so, they are all locked in aren't they? This must be the delayed reaction.
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great point. Unless if there’s something we don’t yet understand about the virus it doesn’t make sense.

Only thing I can think off, is that Mediterranean family households tend to be bigger you might have adult brothers and sisters living with parents and grand parent etc so it’s possibly the virus stays in one house and spreads from person to person over the the month.

So the whole two week thing doesn’t apply.
 
4bars said:
They should drop as long as they are not asholes like in Spain that this weekend tried to go to their second residence. Will see how good the lock down had been. I chinese doctor based there said that they are not doing enough
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Well I hope they drop, and quickly, we need some light at the end of the tunnel in Italy, as everyone else is in Europe is potentially in the same boat, just the timings are different, but may be Italy has got more deadly strain, and other countries won't suffer this, I live in hope anyway.
 
Arruda said:
Magnificent list of completely unbiased sources.
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Sure, the Chinese authorities have never ever lied. They are the beacon of freedom of press, freedom of speech and human rights.

It's clear you haven't read a word in this blog, or the 'about' section on the author's background.

Even the Chinese authorities themselves admitted that they were wrong to threaten the whistle-blower, after a huge public uproar:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-coronavirus-whistleblower-doctor-li-wenliang

I wonder why their administration have a Central Propaganda Department

Just as a small exercise, what sources do you find unbiased?
 
Penna said:
That's what we're all praying for. I believe we have another few days before things were forecast to start improving.
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I pray, I really do, then the next problem of working out how to release people back to their lives with be upon you, but the relief of seeing the numbers drop will be massive.
 
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momo83 said:
Political Correctness at its worse. It’s ok to criticise Trump, Borris Johnson etc but i see very few people criticising the government that brought the world to its knees and fecked everything up.

Let’s not forget this virus has been going around since at least NOVEMBER and the Chinese government spent a month or two covering it up and putting people that were talking about it into jail.

If they had acted like any normal government, things would not be as bad as this.

imagine the outrage and memes if the world got fecked because some redneck in the USA ate something like a rattlesnake and a virus started in Kentucky.
And Instead of acting to stop it and warn the world Trump silenced and put the Dr’s that realised there was a new virus in prison and denied there was such a virus. And basically allowed the the thing to spread for 2 month across the world, can you imagine the hate he’d be getting?

I really don’t understand why we are more focused on criticising our own relatively transparent governments. When it’s the communist China’s lies and suppression on the truth that is responsible for this.

And when this settles down. Do we wait another 10, 20 years until the next virus that comes from China? SARS was only 20 years ago. More deadly then coronavirus but mutated to become less infectious so it killed itself.. that’s the only reason it didn’t wipe out half the world.
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The international diplomatic repercussions and ramifications of this can wait. When the time comes, and true evidence is found on what really happened, Im sure massive actions will be taken.

But for now wasting any energy blaming any nation is not a great use of time or emotion.
 
So sad to see the numbers coming out of Italy. Been to those areas of Northern Italy many times and just love the place. I dearly hope it starts to get better soon.

The depressing thing is it's not looking good for other countries around Europe either.
 
I found some data regarding the age structure of the deceased in Italy. As of 19 March:

0-29 - none
30-39 - 5
40-49 - 12
50-59 - 56
60-69 - 173
70-79 - 707
80-89 - 852
90+ - 198

70% of the deceased were men. Only three people are confirmed to have died exclusively from Covid-19 (no previous illnesses). All five from the 30-39 bracket had pre-existing conditions.

(Source: Istituto Superiore Di Sanità)
 
I'm somewhat surprised that Pence and Trump are in the same room all the time. If the worst happens it means that both could be incapacitated at the same time.
 
Why is it so concentrated in the north of Italy? I'm not hearing much reporting on the south of the country.
 
The government needs to step in regarding people shopping. I just wandered over to my local Tesco (not a Metro or Express but a 5 mins walk from my flat) for a bottle of wine and there was no meat, fruit or veg at all. People just can't be trusted not to be selfish cnuts.

Thankfully there was plenty of wine.
 
sammsky1 said:
The international diplomatic repercussions and ramifications of this can wait. When the time comes, and true evidence is found on what really happened, Im sure massive actions will be taken.

But for now wasting any energy blaming any nation is not a great use of time or emotion.
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I fully agree. However I know the world’s reliance on China for investment and supply chain. Also I see Italians praising China and condemning their European neighbors because China is “helping” them. And I fear when it’s all done for the world’s government business will take priority, for those effected token gestures by the Chinese government will shut them up.
 
Irwin99 said:
Why is it so concentrated in the north of Italy? I'm not hearing much reporting on the south of the country.
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I think the north had lots of tourism from China, and other business.

Also the North is where the power is and they kind of look down on south.
 
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