First of all - you can still own a shotgun or handgun in CA. Secondly - how many shots do you think you can get off with a shotgun before someone gets to you if people really want to get something and you start having not one but several folks coming into your stores who might be armed themselves? If we have to en masse rely on store owners to use guns everywhere to ward that kind of stuff off we are well and truly fecked as a nation. Look at some of the mass riots we've had in this country and the robberies and looting that came with it. Didn't end up so well for the business owners.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Right, but that's not what I meant. It's the law that makes stealing a slight misdemeanor, which is probably nothing for those junkies.
The scenario you're talking about is way beyond the scope of that instance. Here you can see junkies/petty thieves that are aware of the leniency of the law and know they can do whatever they want because no one will stop them. My point is that if the laws over there were stricter and allowed to use force, they simply wouldn't have been stealing like that with immunity.
Speaking of German stuff...
BMW is suspending operations in Europe and South Africa for Covid-19.
They announced today that they are continuing to operate the production facility in Greer, South Carolina.
Wtf
https://www.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENC...luLotkNUZbIR3wo30BVxUXA0Tw-jsPY3pXBMw1EH2I_fk
An optimistic outlook. Some interesting observations, especially the one about most people being naturally immune?
An optimistic outlook. Some interesting observations, especially the one about most people being naturally immune?
it's understandable, one thing to quietly closed a blind eye to minor offences, but to formally announce it is stupity.
Yeah. I think this is related to the fear that newly arrested people will bring the virus into prisons, which will cause a total catastrophe. So they are trying to decrease arrests. Declaring "we won't punish you" was stupid. Not increasing patrolling (at least to kick them out or cite them if not arrest) was reckless.
I'd think the army will be deployed in London to protect hospitals, supermarkets and other key locations. The rest of the place will be left to fend for itself.
It's not just that - it's also to minimize exposure to the officers themselves, and to account for the fact the courts are either shutdown or operating at minimal staffing levels. That last part is troubling because even if we assume the threat of an arrest warrant is still enough to scare off some people - the court case loads will be so heavy once we return to "normal" that many will probably be dismissed or receive lighter penalties than normal to keep the prisons from overflowing.
Some good news there alright.
He is also predicting a total of 10 or fewer deaths in Israel, perhaps as few as 5. Sounds dubious to say the least.
How many of you clean your mobile phones? We have them out quite a bit and particles tend to land on the screen as well as our touching them and putting then to our faces.
So far they have zero deaths and about 500 confirmed cases. I guess we'll find out soon.
Surely that is something scientists would have already considered and tested? Every model out there is based on everyone being susceptible to the virus.
He is? That does sound dubious alright. Perhaps I’m just hoping he’s right. We have my wife’s 85 yr old Da living with us now and it’s scary to think about us getting it.
8 cases in Nigeria with feck all testing done. Here we go.
Unless there is some degree of immunity from other coronaviruses that we have had (30% of common colds) I really doubt that there is any natural immunity out there.
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I read something about that on kids. There is a theory that they are more inmune because they are more exposed to corona viruses at schools
I think just like the common flu, nobody is completely immune to it, but some are more naturally immune and appear to show little to no symptoms. Maybe that's what the guy meant, but if they can still become hosts and pass it on, then it's kind of moot. I want to be optimistic, but can't help but feel he is being deliberately misleading.
I guess there are multiple theories and he might be right. Even if Italy and Spanish numbers looks grim they are not exponential anymore and so no country besides at the start of the infected areas. That might be cause because of his theory that you have repetitive social circles and you can't infect more than the people that are in your circle but mostly that being aware and take germ precautions might be enough
For what a read, in south is asia, they didn't stop their day by day, they just used deterrents like masks and gloves and desinfecting places and their hands. At the same time personal contact like handshakes (not like they hug and kiss like in latin countries)
At least is good to have an optimistic vision and frankly, I thought 2 months ago that we were doomed but even if still thousands of people will die, it doesn't seem like covid19 is spreading exponentially after hitting big numbers. And summer is coming also
I did wonder if it was the fastest growing thread ever (maybe in the general) over the past week.This is going to be the biggest thread on the Caf isn’t it unfortunately
ive been looking at the dashboard for the virus spreading and one concern I have is the amount of people recovering from this, its very low for each country compared to the confirmed cases. Is it a timing issue that we have to wait a few weeks for the isolation period to elapse to update it as a recovered number?
Maybe but that there have been zero deaths in the U9's and few infections/limited symptoms so I suspect something else is going on with this age group.
Most people have some immunity to flu and it is when the virus mutates rapidly that we have mini-epidemics. Colds are a huge range of viruses, the vast majority of which are mild and/or have been around for ages so almost irrelevant when discussing this novel corona-virus.
Is it true that there are no new cases in Wuhan today?
A Couple of UK companies have bee given the go-ahead to commence trials on some novel theraputic remedies (as opposed to vaccines):
https://pharmaphorum.com/news/duo-of-uk-firms-announce-coronavirus-therapy-trials/
SNG001 has been undergoing clinical trials since 2018 and reportedly shows some promise in significantly improving outcomes in COPD patients suffering from viral respiratory infections :
https://copdnewstoday.com/2019/07/2...1-aiding-copd-patients-with-viral-infections/
Siltuximab (AKA Sylvant or CNTO 328) is already available but has a long list of side effects. The justification for its efficacy is that it might help ameliorate the immune system over-reaction to covid-19 that's seen in severe cases. Apparently the body produces an overabundance of an inflammatory interleukin (IL-6) that interferes with respiratory function. One of the properties of Siltuximab is that it binds to this specific protein, thus reducing inflammation.
https://pharmaphorum.com/news/duo-of-uk-firms-announce-coronavirus-therapy-trials/
SNG001 has been undergoing clinical trials since 2018 and reportedly shows some promise in significantly improving outcomes in COPD patients suffering from viral respiratory infections :
https://copdnewstoday.com/2019/07/2...1-aiding-copd-patients-with-viral-infections/
Siltuximab (AKA Sylvant or CNTO 328) is already available but has a long list of side effects. The justification for its efficacy is that it might help ameliorate the immune system over-reaction to covid-19 that's seen in severe cases. Apparently the body produces an overabundance of an inflammatory interleukin (IL-6) that interferes with respiratory function. One of the properties of Siltuximab is that it binds to this specific protein, thus reducing inflammation.
Look at China; it just takes time.
According to CNN yes, but it wouldnt be the first time they got something wrong...
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-19-20-intl-hnk/index.html
"No new domestic cases in China: For the first time, the country where the coronavirus pandemic began has announced no new locally transmitted infections -- a pivotal moment in the battle to contain Covid-19."
I'm not belittling or generalising your profession. I'm telling you what my honest experience has been with the vast majority of teachers I've met and spoken to in my life. I'm sure most are great and do an amazing job and I don't doubt it's a tough job at times.
Anyway let's get back on topic which is scary enough without us having an internet row.
Things will escalate rapidly from now on. It's doubling every 4/5 days exponentially
I won't trust a single thing coming out of China, all they've done is obfuscate, deny, spread disinformation and suppress health professionals.
They could be piling people into mass graves as they release these reports.
What does China have to gain by hiding numbers at this point?
South Korea added another 152 cases and deaths up to 91.
Few days ago they had 70 get infected in an old peoples hospital.
Few days ago they had 70 get infected in an old peoples hospital.
A couple of places have attempted to put a number on what proportion of folk that contract covid-19 remain truly asymptotic throughout the illness. They're not in any way definitive, but at least they're something.
The first study attempts to derive this proportion from a bayesian analysis of publicly available data on the Diamond Princess. They arrive at a mean of 17.7%. (15.5% - 20.2%). They reckon that since the folk on the Diamond Princess trend significantly older than wider society that this percentage likely represents an underestimate (assuming older folk more likely to show symptoms). Really would be a good idea to have followed every one of these people from test to discharge to arrive at a complete understanding. Surely that must be something that's happening.
The second estimate is yet to be published but reportedly gives a mean of 30.8% but with a wide margin of error (7.7% - 53.8%). It was taken from a cohort of 565 Japanese nationals that were evacuated from Wuhan.
The first study attempts to derive this proportion from a bayesian analysis of publicly available data on the Diamond Princess. They arrive at a mean of 17.7%. (15.5% - 20.2%). They reckon that since the folk on the Diamond Princess trend significantly older than wider society that this percentage likely represents an underestimate (assuming older folk more likely to show symptoms). Really would be a good idea to have followed every one of these people from test to discharge to arrive at a complete understanding. Surely that must be something that's happening.
The second estimate is yet to be published but reportedly gives a mean of 30.8% but with a wide margin of error (7.7% - 53.8%). It was taken from a cohort of 565 Japanese nationals that were evacuated from Wuhan.
A lot of the world are blaming them for the virus and how it spread. I think they have every interest in downplaying it's effects and proving that it can be contained.
Regarding Germany being suspected of cooking their post mortems to keep the death rate low: how come only they are suspected of this and not the likes of South Korea?
And would they be technically incorrect to only count people that died from Covid-19 alone as true mortalities?
I don't think so. At this point we're all in it together to find a vaccine and manage global deaths.
I think that's a very naive view personally.
I mean they can develop and sell us the vaccine. There is a race to the cure. I don't doubt that they see this as an opportunity to increase influence, especially since the US are fumbling this badly.
I think you're right. In our small shop, there is still a queue at the deli counter, as there always is - I won't buy from there now because the food is uncovered. The fruit and veg is all Italian produce, and the delivery lorries turn up every day (we've been eating strawberries from Basilicata for weeks now). No shortages of anything.
There are no chilled or frozen ready meals to panic-buy because they don't ever have that type of thing, except in the really big shops and even then, the range is very small. Tinned food - only fish and veg really, and those are the things that have been moving the quickest off the shelves.
Italians eat pasta every day, so there are massive amounts for sale in every shop all the time, plus it's all made in Italy. I can say with confidence that it will never run out! Loo paper panic-buying doesn't happen because people use bidets.
And yes, the shop staff know you (by name, usually). So there's a sense of community spirit that you don't really get in a huge superstore in the UK.