SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

It is ironic that the kids who are maybe the main spreaders, and the elderly who are the most vulnerable, are the ones who are caring the least about this.

Kids aside, the ones in the middle are the ones who are seemingly least likely to die, yet are most likely to hoard all the supplies, and spread the most panic.
 
Sweet Square said:
Why do people who rent have to wait extra days and for it to be given by housing Secretary but people with mortgages, landlords and business owners get help today ? I know why but something something politics.


Speaking of tiresome, you know I have to read you're relpys, right ?
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Good relpy.
 
Revan said:
My ex-boss (Munich) is insisting that they are not counting deaths of people who have other diseases. Like if you have cancer, and you die, they don't count it as from coronavirus (like Italy does) in order to not spread the panic. I think it is the only viable theory, they are having more deaths than critical conditions, significantly less deaths than countries with similar number of infected people and so on.
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That'd can bite them big time (government) if it gets out publicly.
 
Pexbo said:
Insurance companies are expected to pay out? I know personal two restaurants who have looked into it and they wont get a penny while they remain open, nor will they if they close due to lack of trade. There’s been some celeb chefs on twitter insinuating the same thing.
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Plenty were last night, yep, but I imagine that should change now if the restaurants choose to close.
 
Fener1907 said:
I had no idea what a "wet market" even was before any of this. Having now seen them, it looks like too much of a gamble to get meat from them. The outdoor markets here that predominantly sell fruits and vegetables do also sell fish but can't trust that because who knows if they kept it frozen at all times.
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Indeed. Sorry for picking on your comment. All the members of our ecosystems, no matter how creepy or disgusting are important and should be held in high regard.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
It is ironic that the kids who are maybe the main spreaders, and the elderly who are the most vulnerable, are the ones who are caring the least about this.

Kids aside, the ones in the middle are the ones who are seemingly least likely to die, yet are most likely to hoard all the supplies, and spread the most panic.
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It's absolutely shocking to me how lots of older people are reacting to this. Of course you have to respect people's personal responsibility with their own lives, but it's just the complete lack of empathy that I find bewildering.
 
Just flicked through the first five pages of this thread from the end of January, how wrong we were.
 
I_live_cement said:
It's absolutely shocking to me how lots of older people are reacting to this. Of course you have to respect people's personal responsibility with their own lives, but it's just the complete lack of empathy that I find bewildering.
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Yes, but as you say you have to respect them, right or wrong ultimately it's their choice, and it is clearly a mentality that will not be changing anytime soon, certainly not in the Uk anyway.
 
arnie_ni said:
What?
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The speaker of the house of commons bollocked the chancellor for speaking to media about the UK's plans before sspeaking to the house of commons. It would have been very unlikely to be full, and the millions of people need to know before a bunch of out of touch Mps on all sides in my opinion.

It's in the Guardian's live blog, but copy and paste didn't work and share only shares the main link, so I didn't include it.
 
VP said:
This is just nonsense. When cultural norms cause so much damage to the world they obviously have to be stopped.

Not only did the Chinese government deliberately overlook these weird eating habits, they then actively covered up the initial outbreak. I don't see how we can blame anyone else and I'm actually surprised that there hasn't been a bigger global backlash to this.
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Who is going to stop them doing what they want in their own country? What right do those people have?

How about small poor nations insist big powerful ones give up arms and drones, given the damage they cause?

I can make up many more such scenario’s.

You see where this is going?
 
Amar__ said:
oh ffs

So it doesn't matter if they infect the entire world twice in about 20 years and be at fault for potentially millions of people dying, it's important to keep their culture intact?
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In my opinion it’s OK. See post above
 
Revan said:
My ex-boss (Munich) is insisting that they are not counting deaths of people who have other diseases. Like if you have cancer, and you die, they don't count it as from coronavirus (like Italy does) in order to not spread the panic. I think it is the only viable theory, they are having more deaths than critical conditions, significantly less deaths than countries with similar number of infected people and so on.
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The Firestarter said:
That'd can bite them big time (government) if it gets out publicly.
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The FAZ reported a few minutes ago, that a patient with cancer died and he was tested positive after his death.
 
So now people at our schools with conditions coming under the list are reccomended to Isolate what happens if you live with someone with one of those?

It's a little baffling, one school has closed due to lack of staff, another has reached 10+ off + another 5 including the head due to having listed conditions.
The former school is open tommorow for staff not isolating, homework packs/school meals will be handed out and will seemingly remain open for staff /school meals.
My issue is unless one of those isolating with symptoms gets hospitalised and tests positive , nothing will happen at the school. No deep clean. Corona could be having a field day.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
Kind of agree, but at the same time I can understand the sentiment of @Sweet Square here.

I think a lot of people have been surprised at the lack of planning by the World's Superpowers during this crisis (not just U.K's 'planning') - I mean, we've been due a proper Pandemic for literally decades... think of the power and resources of these Governments in the technological age ffs.

You'd think there'd be an immediate model and protocol to follow at the first inkling of a Pandemic.

Indeed as @Di Maria's angel myself and a number of others were so frustrated about in the early days of this very crisis was that you'd have thought there'd have been Global protocol of lockdown the country affected, aid goes in, no-one comes out, get it under control and slowly test the waters until the situation is sorted. This could have been done.

Instead you've got a Global fecking Pandemic, and you've got EVERY country in lockdown anyway.

Think how much gets spent by U.K, U.S, Russia every year on weapons and defence... there shouldn't be such a drastic shortage of ICU beds and resources. Again, the World has been due a Pandemic for decades.

I think it's completely fair for pretty much every Government to come under heavy criticism for lack of planning - they've been caught napping, and have clearly grown complacent in many key areas.
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I completely agree with you.
 
hobbers said:
No. When it comes to mutagenesis and species-hopping it's all a game of infinitesimal probabilities.

But to be absolutely clear, the only place these viruses can develop, outside of a lab, is in a huge wet market. The more live animals there are, the more different species, the more squalid the conditions and the more people passing through all ramps up the likelihood (but the overall likelihood is still
So yes, the world very much has a right to say to China, and any other country letting these giant wet markets go on: Nah, your traditions can get fecked, these end now.
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Who is paying for the upgrade in facilities, maintenance, inspection and regulation of the facilities that you demand?
 
T00lsh3d said:
On the political side, I suppose this is the beauty of being in opposition. Nobody knows if you’d have done a better job, but the incumbent can be held accountable
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They'd have done an identical job.

The plan is Sage's not the the Tory party's.
 
horsechoker said:
I hope they play the Irish national anthem
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redshaw said:
South Korea has 8320 cases but just 81 deaths. they have done 250k tests. Germany have done 135k in the last two weeks and maybe up to 160k in total. Spain had found about 8000+ cases with just 30k tested. You can see Spain like Italy have large outbreak

I've thought before Germany might've been leaving out some with more serious underlying issues and waiting on postmortems and perhaps there's some small difference and errors. The real figure may still be low, like 70-80 but I think the large scale testing in a short space of time means they add a large amount of mild cases simply out of scope of other countries up until recently.

After lockdown in Italy, they got to do a lot more testing and doubled it very quickly so I expect soon Spain and maybe France to get more done so these figures are just from recent days. Don't quote me saying Spain have done 50k now, in a few days time. I expect them to do more with a lockdown and everyone will be ramping up testing as more kits and quicker results are coming.

Germany will probably start seeing more deaths as the outbreak catches up and stretches the health service. Seems to be on severity right now with many factors playing a role, it's Italy/Spain, then France and UK/Germany.
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If true this makes sense. But from what I am hearing in Munich, it is extremely hard to do a test (even if you have some symptoms).

Can you share the link about the number of tests?
 
Sweet Square said:
Why do people who rent have to wait extra days and for it to be given by housing Secretary but people with mortgages, landlords and business owners get help today ? I know why but something something politics.
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Probably because it’s easier to do a deal with the banks to sort mortgages out. Rents are slightly more complicated (who are the landlords?) and so will require a little longer to resolve. Plus they literally can’t sort everything out all at once in 24 hours. Give them a break ffs
 
Jesus Christ I’ve just seen the clip of that raging thundercnut Geraldo telling viewers if they can hold their breath for 10 seconds they don’t have coronavirus :wenger:
 
What has become increasingly clear over the last couple of weeks is that most European governments are all following the same playbook. It's how they convey that to the public which is causing the most controversy
 
Stactix said:
So now people at our schools with conditions coming under the list are reccomended to Isolate what happens if you live with someone with one of those?

It's a little baffling, one school has closed due to lack of staff, another has reached 10+ off + another 5 including the head due to having listed conditions.
The former school is open tommorow for staff not isolating, homework packs/school meals will be handed out and will seemingly remain open for staff /school meals.
My issue is unless one of those isolating with symptoms gets hospitalised and tests positive , nothing will happen at the school. No deep clean. Corona could be having a field day.
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As far as I know children often don't show (strong) symptons in the first place, making it impossible to actually weed out the infected ones. Which is probably why the bigger European countries started by closing down schools.
 
golden_blunder said:
Don’t know about that, they’ve been preparing for a lockdown and we don’t do address to the nation very often
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It's also our national holiday though. Even without announcing a lockdown, the circumstances might warrant a speech.
 
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