It has been relatively recently, as industry maybe in the last 30-40 years. And wet markets gave us also the SARS (with H5N1 and H7N2 also originating in China, both can have a catastrophic end of civilization consequences). China needs to ban forver wet markets (they have suspended them) and to heavily regulate their food industry.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Well y'know if he has to go to the pub....
Can people here please stop defending China over this?
The worst thing that happened to the entire population since probably second World War came from one of their sea markets and their terrible food culture that should be nowhere near legal, and there's this too:
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-china-51409801
The worst thing that happened to the entire population since probably second World War came from one of their sea markets and their terrible food culture that should be nowhere near legal, and there's this too:
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-china-51409801
Yes, and this isn't the first time this has happened. SARS started in China, as a precaution they then shut down the wet markets. Then as soon as SARS cleared, the reopened them. Two superviruses in 20 years is an appalling record.
I've said this before - we must avoid xenophobia whilst discussing China, I've been there and admired parts of their culture greatly - but there is no food hygeine where these markets are concerned, the animals are kept inhumanely and slaughtered in filthy conditions. This has to change, and wild wet markets have to stop.
Not really, if I'm not mistaken the last update saw Germany register more new death than the amount of serious/critical cases they had. There is something weird with their figures.
as I wrote in my original post, its just floating around social media. I don't have the sources.
Stay safe friend.
I don't disagree at all, but then I think 2 in 20 years is very very low. Surely it should happen very regularly?
PS: these types of markets exist all over Asia and Africa.
My ex-boss (Munich) is insisting that they are not counting deaths of people who have other diseases. Like if you have cancer, and you die, they don't count it as from coronavirus (like Italy does) in order to not spread the panic. I think it is the only viable theory, they are having more deaths than critical conditions, significantly less deaths than countries with similar number of infected people and so on.
Where are you getting that someone eating a bat caused this outbreak? A whatsapp group?
Probably best not to post unconfirmed information.
Montenegro confirms the first two cases. Every country in Europe has officially diagnosed cases now.
I also think that they are not actually counting critical people the same way. In France my understanding is that anyone given a reanimation or ICU bed is considered serious/critical.
I'm sure it's alright. He probably lives in an affluent area with like minded individuals who enjoy roast dinners on Sundays.
Why do you say that?
I thought that was quite well accepted as a very plausible reason
That's an interesting take. It makes sense, too.
Death coding is supposed to be standardised internationally though. Does he work in healthcare?
We’re still dealing with small numbers, so it could just be variance.
because the over crowded wet markets where different animals are stacked onto of each other and pass on their excrement, viruses and other crap to each other (shown in VDO above) have been around for ages. These unhygienic and virtually unregulated markets exist all across SE Asia, China and Africa too.
Surely super powerful viruses would develop regularly under such conditions. Why only SARs 20 years ago and now convid19?
You don't maintain a healthy supply of beer at home? I panic when I'm done to two 6 packs.Pints to go
No, she doesn't. It was mostly her deduction and chatting with other people.
There could be still some variance, but it is too much for it to be variance. They have over 9k cases with 24 deaths, France has 7k with 175 deaths, while Spain has 11k with 510 deaths. Statistically, this looks weird.
the fecking state of parliament.
Chancellor bollocked by speaker for speaking to the nation before the 4 or 5 mps that would be there at this time of night. cnut.
Chancellor bollocked by speaker for speaking to the nation before the 4 or 5 mps that would be there at this time of night. cnut.
I order - and have always ordered hoard police - a month's worth at a time.
No, I don't drink very often myself. I have a healthy supply of ganja, though.
Not a complete lockdown in Belgium. Still allowed to go for a walk or running, but not in group. All stores closed, except pharmacies and grocery stores.
I hope that this is the new fancy breakfast.Not really. The PM and Chancellor were explicit today multiple times that insurance companies are expected to pay out.
Closing all dining businesses would harm some communities. I think it would be the wrong approach.
On a lighter note; does anyone think that this essential travel only" thing is going to go on for long?
Yeah but we have to hate the Tory wankers. Or something. I thought today's briefing was pretty good, though I've been less impressed with their media rounds this morning. It only really effects my family in UK, so I do pay attention.
I’m wondering what will the point of closed borders be when it’s present everywhere in similar capacity. Once Spain, France and Italy sort themselves out with their high infection rate, considering all countries bar UK are taking similar measures, it should stabilize soon. What important would someone traveling to any other country have then?
It's exactly what other countries have done. A lot of people are unable to cook and will rely on delivery services, plus it keeps some staff in employment.
I think you'll always be allowed 'home'. What are they going to do, tag all of you so they can tell where you've come from?
This is just nonsense. When cultural norms cause so much damage to the world they obviously have to be stopped.
Not only did the Chinese government deliberately overlook these weird eating habits, they then actively covered up the initial outbreak. I don't see how we can blame anyone else and I'm actually surprised that there hasn't been a bigger global backlash to this.