Actually did try something like that and they didn’t work for us previously. Have also tried sprays that are supposedly anti-fog
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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I don’t know, sometimes it’s nice to be able to see people’s faces. I look forward to the day we don’t need them.
Bugger. We all have different shaped faces so finding the right solution can be hard. Get someone to smash your nose in and give the cage thing another go.
The missus tested positive on Saturday, still positive as of today. We haven't isolated her in the house, being somewhat cautious of hand hygiene, only change to anything is that we we aren't kissing essentially. I'm still negative.
Am I invincible?
Am I invincible?
I can one up you on that. My ex had it last year and we didn't even bother separating in any way whatsoever since we were in a small flat and I didn't get it.
Had it twice in the last 4 months though, oops.
Ah bollox. Not invincible so.
How the hell did we in Ireland switch from the mooted possibility of mandatory vaccines a week ago from NPHET to all restrictions gone today?!
Cause about 10% of our population were getting it every week and it still didn’t put a dent in our crappy health service. The surge in hospitalisations and ICUs that was predicted never happened, basically.
I also think they’re being quite clever in actively hoping an absolute shit load of people catch omicron in February/March. The usual winter pressure on hospitals tends to ease off a bit after January and we now know that omicron is sufficiently mild (in a population as vaccinated as ours) that we can let it rip fairly safely. Which will give our population a nice immunity boost before the next covid wave (if there is another covid wave) To be honest, I think they should ditch masks too.
Who even are you anymore?
i would probably agree but as someone who hasn’t had Covid I’m also feeling a bit selfish and thinking feck that, it’s not much hassle for people and I don’t want to get it in the supermarket! It’s just til the end of February anyway as far as I’m aware right?
I also feel like a lot of people will still wear masks after. Seemingly a lot did in the UK.
At this stage I’m desperate to catch the fecking thing so I can recover in time for my snowboarding holiday in February. May need to start licking faces.
@Big-Red Any chance you could pimp out your other half?
@Big-Red Any chance you could pimp out your other half?
So the pubs are open till 2am, time for a mad session
@Massive Spanner @GDaly95 @golden_blunder
Get yourself some of these, just give them a wipe every morning and you are all good for the day.
Hoya Clear-It Anti Fog Wipes : Amazon.co.uk: Health & Personal Care
Get yourself some of these, just give them a wipe every morning and you are all good for the day.
Hoya Clear-It Anti Fog Wipes : Amazon.co.uk: Health & Personal Care
I’m hoping I already did and my amazing immune system that has never had a flu said feck off to it.
I'm in the same boat. She tested positive Monday after spending the weekend coughing in my face. I'm still negative.
Either the booster works or I've got it and nothing showing up on an antigen test.
Sensible decision (and explanation) in Ireland re masks in pubs/clubs vs shops and public transport.
My boss got it recently after being triple vaxxed and her husband and kids didn't.
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My wife and 9 year old were in Dublin today at a kids book park exhibition. They then went looking for somewhere to eat around 4:30pm. She said that places were absolutely jam packed but very few people eating, it was full of drinkers spilling out into the streets at that time. I pity the police tonight.
We were out for food there and I swear there were loads more dodgy cnuts in the place than there usually would be. No doubt today is some sort of celebratory day for the anti vax wankers and they’re out eating and drinking in their droves.
Yeah I think I’ll wait, I’m not desperate for it.
might just pop to one of the local hotels for Sunday lunch
In BC today they announced that they’re doing away with contact tracing and isolating now, telling people to use their common sense and treat it like a cold or the flu.
This is the beginning of the ‘living with Covid’ period.
This is the beginning of the ‘living with Covid’ period.
What's that?
Not sure treating it like a cold or flu is common sense. Although I doubt many of us won't be treating all sniffles very differently than we would have done 2 years ago.
There is talk of doing away with QR code check ins as meaningful contact tracing is hone now there are so many cases. That said it is an easy way for businesses to only allow vaxxed people into their venue as our QR code checkin app also shows your vax status. Personally I only go to venues that don't allow the unvaxxed in.
https://www.juliusruechel.com/2022/01/the-false-god-of-central-planning.html
interesting read.
couple of key points in terms of natural immunity and probably why Omicron variant turns out to be such a mild version.
- a huge number of people were already infected way before the vaccines rollout giving them natural immunity and response to the virus.
- flu completely disappearing from the map for 2 years
- a lot of deaths attributed with COVID whilst number of deaths cause by other diseases went down.
interesting read.
couple of key points in terms of natural immunity and probably why Omicron variant turns out to be such a mild version.
- a huge number of people were already infected way before the vaccines rollout giving them natural immunity and response to the virus.
- flu completely disappearing from the map for 2 years
- a lot of deaths attributed with COVID whilst number of deaths cause by other diseases went down.
Omicron - lots to unpack in this report and my comments are after a first quick read through so I'll be interested to read it again when I have the time to look at the details more closely.
https://www.news-medical.net/news/2...mediated-immune-escape-and-tropism-shift.aspx
https://www.news-medical.net/news/2...mediated-immune-escape-and-tropism-shift.aspx
- Omicron receptor-binding domain (RBD) has a higher affinity for its receptor ACE2 - a 2-2.5 fold relative to the Wuhan-Hu-1 RBD which may be a factor in increased transmissibility
- Monoclonal antibodies casivirimab and imdevimab had a complete loss of neutralizing activity against Omicron - either alone or in combination. (Worked well with previous variants)
- Neutralisation of the virus by double vaccination much reduced with AZ reduced to zero (even if severity of disease was reduced).
- Third shot makes a huge difference
- Spike changes seem responsible for severity reduction
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Shows the huge benefit of vaccination even if you have had covid before
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2022-01-breakthrough-infections-spur-strong-antibody.html
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2022-01-breakthrough-infections-spur-strong-antibody.html
So NZ has now moved to our strictest settings in our covid restrictions. Which compared to before are not too bad for those vaccinated. A bunch of people have the Omicron variant in the Nelson Bays region where I am about to head for 2 weeks kayaking and hiking later this week. Im expecting when we emerge from the wilderness in the 2nd week of Feb for NZ to have 500-1000 cases per day. Rather a surreal feeling here as NZ finally enters what the rest of the world has been experiencing. We have been living in a cocoon for ages so this is going to be a rude awakening for a lot of us.
To me things should always be looked at in a more balanced way and in a more logical sense. For example compulsory vaccination for young people and even kids is a communist thing to do and I’m strictly opposed to it.
Vaccines should be required for all that fall in the risk groups and that could really save lives, but imposing green passes, lockdowns on young and healthy people is a huge no no.
Jabs can be very effective for elderly people and I’m all for that especially for those who hasn’t contacted with the virus and probably should also take flu jabs in years when they become really deadly and put direct danger on the health system.
Im not anti vax or anything, I’ve taken flu jabs in the past and in some years they worked well in some years they really didn’t, depending on which variant becomes more prominent.
But when it comes to the current vaccine if it was up to choice I certainly won’t take it personally. The only reason I would is if it violated my rights in terms of free moment and you absolutely have to take it.
Personally I’ve had it already twice and have decent amount of antibodies from couple of test I did after.
the other reason is recent events - me and my wife were at a birthday party 2 weeks ago - packed house for three days with 17 other individuals. 2 days later one of our friends had positive test for Omnicron. He was double jabbed 6 months ago with Pfizer. 5 others later have also tested positive (3 fully vaccinated). Me and my wife both came out negative in three consecutive tests . Everybody had mild symptoms and went down as a flu.
Now whether or not those who are vaccinated are protected by the vaccine in terms of hospitalisation I can’t really claim and I don’t really know. In terms of pulling out stats of vaccine effectiveness- I also would take those stats with a pinch of salt. Even before the first vaccine rolled out I’m pretty sure at least half of worlds population has already contacted the virus and already built an immune response. To claim for certain how effective vaccines are is only possible if you compare how certain individuals react to the virus when vaccinated and unvaccinated - but both never in contact with the virus before.
You can’t really say vaccines help and to what extend against Delta or Omnicron or any other variant without factoring in whether or not these people already had build an immune response and have already survived the virus in the first place.
I bought some FFP3 masks which fit tightly to the face and my glasses rarely steam up now.
The clinical trials screened serology and took medical history to check if people already had an immune response to covid before they were randomised into the trial.
Is this the CDC one?
Because a new report came in couple of days ago claiming exactly the opposite:
https://www.reuters.com/business/he...vaccination-during-delta-surge-us-2022-01-19/
No, the clinical trials for the vaccines aren’t performed by the CDC. You said that you can’t judge the efficacy of the vaccines if you don’t know whether people had previously had an infection. Well the people that ran the clinical trials also realised that and took it into account by screening for people that have had an infection.
Infection can give good protection, but the immune response from infection is more variable and from vaccination is more consistent. The best protection comes from infection + vaccination, which is what most people will eventually have.
How conclusive are the results of the screens? Last time I read reports they were something like 85% sensitive whether or not they are accurate if a person had a past infection. And which clinical trial do you mention above in terms of sample size? Would be interesting read as well.
Usually all the stats that pop up are vaccinated vs unvaccinated, yet we don't often see a sample whether or not those vaccinated have went through a previous infection.
Compulsory vaccination was Engels idea I believe and is a cornerstone of the concept of common ownership.
There's a lot of literature out there which absolutely examines this matter with vaccination plus infection being the best protection. Lots of it is linked to in this very thread, including many studies into the efficacy of different vaccinations and prior infection vs. vaccination.
You can have a look at the original publications on the clinical trials, they’re all free to access. Eg. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2034577
Obviously now the vaccines have been given to a lot more people than originally received them in the trials! People of course study the immune response from vaccination alone, vaccination after an infection, and infection alone. This is bread and butter immunology.
Cheers, will take a look!
That probably doesn't help as much as you think. At best it is highly variable.
The graphic at the top of this article shows how vaccination provides a huge benefit to everyone not matter if you have or haven't been infected. I'd also strongly suspect that unless you had Omicron before that infection alone gives very limited protection although 2 exposures is likely to be better than 1.
I'd also suspect that this also means we will need an Omicron tweaked vaccine (due soon apparently unless a new dominant variant arrives) and a 4th shot.
Vaccinating everyone is the best way to protect everyone as at risk groups are by far the most likely to have an adverse event even after they are vaccinated. If you don't get vaccinated you are making health choices for others and not just yourself.
How do you know that didn't work very well? Of course you can catch a flu variant that isn't targeted but there is a good chance that the year you think didn't work very well would have been far worse without the vaccination. The last time I didn't get a flu vaccination was in 2009 when I got H1N1 in the initial outbreak. I only didn't end up hospitalised because I refused due to working for myself (yes I'm an idiot).