SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

[Fingeredmouse]

Yes it is. Probably because it’s not made mainstream. I have friends there that say the same thing. Unless you’re not following independent journalists that bring light onto this, it’s hard to know really.

To add context:
They are camps where primarily Ozzies returning from abroad are held until quarantine is passed and some occasional examples of outbreak control.

It is also covered in the mainstream media, most notably recently (very late Nov) in relation to the recent Howard Springs camp escape.

Australia, of course, has actual detention camps such as Manus Island and Nauru where people have been treated like shit for years as part of Australia's increasing hostile immigration policy, a model my country's home secretary has disgustingly proposed imitating for years.

 

[CanadianUtd]

can you link some of the journalists?

this Brand video covers a good portion of it and it’s sourced which will give a clear picture of it all. Sorry I’m just at work so hard to get the specific links. However if you would still like me to, I will do it later on in the day. Just didn’t want to leave you hanging right now

To add context:
They are camps where primarily Ozzies returning from abroad are held until quarantine is passed and some occasional examples of outbreak control.

It is also covered in the mainstream media, most notably recently (very late Nov) in relation to the recent Howard Springs camp escape.

Australia, of course, has actual detention camps such as Manus Island and Nauru where people have been treated like shit for years as part of Australia's increasing hostile immigration policy, a model my country's home secretary has disgustingly proposed imitating for years.

Yep. In my honest opinion, these camps are inhumane. Leave it to a certain nations to think they’re better than the rest of the world. It’s all in the name of safety and people’s best interest but it’s just a piss take if you ask a lot of folks. Most Australian’s are against these camps but they can’t do much as they were implemented without their consent (*hint hint, ramifications sound oddly familiar with a lot of other things). It’s also not just for returning citizens, they can and have arbitrarily picked and chosen anyone that’s been residing there. Regardless of if they have covid or were a close contact or even for “quarantining” for people who’ve come from abroad even if their covid tests show up as negative.

When they made the camps, like everything that’s marketed they showed it out to be a beautiful place. Reality is, it’s gloomy and literal cage for humans which their basic rights are stripped for no good reason. Places like the US will never have this because the people would fight before bowing down to such measures. It’s all really insane. So much ridiculousness. Zero morals or ethics.

 

[roseguy64]

Looks likely that Spider-Man will become a super villain this Christmas!

Nearly every screening I've looked at of the new movie from tomorrow (Wednesday 15th December) onwards, is half full at least or three quarters to full up completely.

Hundreds of people all queuing, buying food etc then sitting together for two and a half hours, most wont be mask wearing because they'll all be filling their faces and drinking, talking etc. Hopefully I'm wrong and it's not as bad as it sounds..

Spider-Man: Omicron Rises. Opens in cinema's everywhere from Wednesday 15th.

My spider sense is definitely tingling!

Yeah this is why I'm going at the drive-in.

 

[Suv666]

LOLL. I used to think that too years ago. But he’s in fact turned out to be one of the best journalists out there. Sources everything clearly and his short videos are informative and to the point. So yea regardless of what your or anyone’s opinion is of him, doesn’t dispute the accurateness of his content/reporting :]

You know you're too far down the rabbit hole when Russel Brand is your most trusted source of information

 

[CanadianUtd]

You know you're too far down the rabbit hole when Russel Brand is your most trusted source of information

Could care less about labels or whomever it is and doesn’t discredit his accurately sourced content either.

if it makes you feel better though

 

[Traub]

Beta was another immune escape variant, wasn’t it?

Just occurred to me. What would have happened if we had omicron straight off the bat? If it turns out to be less virulent than previous variants that will be mainly be driven by the protection against serious illness from past exposure and/or vaccination.

Mind boggling to think what virus as transmissible and potentially lethal as this could do in a completely naïve population.

Ya, Beta was really rough here. It would’ve ripped through everywhere very quickly - mass scale of what we saw early on in Italy I think (those pictures and videos are still harrowing over 18 months later). Honestly these vaccines are probably humanity’s greatest work of all time - not sure what comes close?

 

[hp88]

There are loads of walk-in sites. You can find them on the NHS website.

Yeah, there's porta cabin in a pub carpark near my parents so passed by this evening and got jabbed up.

 

[Bosws87]

Ya, Beta was really rough here. It would’ve ripped through everywhere very quickly - mass scale of what we saw early on in Italy I think (those pictures and videos are still harrowing over 18 months later). Honestly these vaccines are probably humanity’s greatest work of all time - not sure what comes close?

Penicillin?

 

[11101]

LOLL. I used to think that too years ago. But he’s in fact turned out to be one of the best journalists out there. Sources everything clearly and his short videos are informative and to the point. So yea regardless of what your or anyone’s opinion is of him, doesn’t dispute the accurateness of his content/reporting :]

He's not a journalist. He's a comedian, who uses overly complex language to make himself sound like he knows what he's talking about. He doesn't.

 

[calodo2003]

Penicillin?

Imagine the furor over penicillin if it was introduced nowadays.

 

[choccy77]

I know so many people who haven't had any vaccinations and still refuse to have them.

 

[Bosws87]

I know so many people who haven't had any vaccinations and still refuse to have them.

Know of plenty more that have had 2 and no longer have any desire to keep going for top up's thats for sure.

 

[CanadianUtd]

He's not a journalist. He's a comedian, who uses overly complex language to make himself sound like he knows what he's talking about. He doesn't.

Okay? Does that make any of the stuff he’s saying wrong or factually incorrect? If so, feel free to refute it.

Again what does it matter — some people seem to be so stuck on labels even if it’s more accurate reporting than more “credentialed” people. I guess a credentialed-wrong is more accurate than an uncredentialed-right with your logic. Whatever it was supposed to demean or discredit, holds zero water as far as I’m concerned using such straw man arguments (if one could even call it that).

 

[CanadianUtd]

I know so many people who haven't had any vaccinations and still refuse to have them.

If you don’t mind me asking, what do think of them/that?

 

[McUnited]

Could care less about labels or whomever it is and doesn’t discredit his accurately sourced content either.

if it makes you feel better though

Ya, Beta was really rough here. It would’ve ripped through everywhere very quickly - mass scale of what we saw early on in Italy I think (those pictures and videos are still harrowing over 18 months later). Honestly these vaccines are probably humanity’s greatest work of all time - not sure what comes close?

Combustion engine. Printing Press. The invention of musical notation. I could go on?

 

[McUnited]

If you don’t mind me asking, what do think of them/that?

I know several and fully support them! Every individual has different circumstances and should tailor their decision accordingly.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Combustion engine. Printing Press. The invention of musical notation. I could go on?

Maybe you could. Please don’t. This thread has gone off on enough dumb tangents already.

 

[Fingeredmouse]

Combustion engine. Printing Press. The invention of musical notation. I could go on?

Oh feck. Please don't.

 

[CanadianUtd]

Know of plenty more that have had 2 and no longer have any desire to keep going for top up's thats for sure.

Likewise.

The blinded, willful, pro-vax pushing advocates do not see that their stance means infinite “involuntary”-mandatory boosters for rest of life. Because that’s quite exactly where this leads to and is leading to.

…..yes smallpox and chicken pox and such were eradicated with the use of vaccines. But do not compare them to these “vaccines”. These very ones don’t eradicate said disease/virus by any measure of the traditional definition. In fact, they actually changed the definition of vaccination as a result of said current vaccines. It’s almost misinformation to have labelled them as such. They’re much more in line of a flu-shot. And the (idiotic) people shouting down “get vaccinated so it’ll eradicate the virus as it was done to smallpox etc” — I guess what they really mean is like how they’ve eradicated the flu in the past.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Had a really bad reaction to 2nd Pfizer- big fever, 10 days of sore swollen lymphnodes - booster has been way better. Just 3 days of soreness and no big fever spike.

No idea what that means with regards to protection mind.

I would venture to say that means your body is very clued in on what the virus is and this means you are at a much lower risk of negative outcomes if you happen to become infected.

 

[CanadianUtd]

I know several and fully support them! Every individual has different circumstances and should tailor their decision accordingly.

I fully agree with your opinion! Glad to know there’s folks that still have a bit of humanity in them when it comes to morals/ethics of this all

 

[McUnited]

I fully agree with your opinion! Glad to know there’s folks that still have a bit of humanity in them when it comes to morals/ethics of this all

I haven't gone back through this thread but I suspect there are many on this forum who don't share our position. But that's okay. I tend to differ in opinions on many topics with posters here...

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Likewise.

The blinded, willful, pro-vax pushing advocates do not see that their stance means infinite “involuntary”-mandatory boosters for rest of life. Because that’s quite exactly where this leads to and is leading to.

…..yes smallpox and chicken pox and such were eradicated with the use of vaccines. But do not compare them to these “vaccines”. These very ones don’t eradicate said disease/virus by any measure of the traditional definition. In fact, they actually changed the definition of vaccination as a result of said current vaccines. It’s almost misinformation to have labelled them as such. They’re much more in line of a flu-shot. And the (idiotic) people shouting down “get vaccinated so it’ll eradicate the virus as it was done to smallpox etc” — I guess what they really mean is like how they’ve eradicated the flu in the past.

Attack the post not the poster. Your post is an idiot. You actually think chicken pox has been eradicated. Feck me. Do you live under a rock?

Now google measles, mumps, rubella, hepatitis and HPV. None of these diseases have been eradicated. Yet vaccines still protect millions from the morbidity/mortality they would otherwise cause.

 

[Bosws87]

I would venture to say that means your body is very clued in on what the virus is and this means you are at a much lower risk of negative outcomes if you happen to become infected.

Or the opposite as i've been told the overreactive immune response is usually the thing that kills people so he may of had a terrible reaction if he genuinely caught covid.

 

[Fingeredmouse]

I fully agree with your opinion! Glad to know there’s folks that still have a bit of humanity in them when it comes to morals/ethics of this all

Inhuman. Immoral. Unethical. Strong accusations.

 

[CanadianUtd]

Honestly these vaccines are probably humanity’s greatest work of all time - not sure what comes close?

Then I guess that means so are flu shots since they both work in the same ways.

I mean they’re great but no cures by any stretch of the imagination. Greatest work definitely by the pharmaceutical’s such as pfizer who pocketed a cool, record breaking $33B profit this year and are already projected to add an extra $3B to that next year. With virtually $0 going towards marketing with said products being used in emergency use/not FDA approved so they don’t even have or need the green light to advertise an approved product (which usually would mean nearly half of their profits were used towards that but nbd it’s being done by governments for them at no cost! )

 

[Deleted 20801]

I haven't posted in this thread before but just wanted to say that you're an inspiration @CanadianUtd and thank you for posting despite the fear of a backlash being so high. It takes a lot of courage to do what you're doing. In a way you remind me of those fighters who in the face of an overwhelming enemy will still hold on to their core beliefs and principles even if the chance of winning is basically zero. Yes, it would be fair to say you are the Bin Laden of the covid world.

 

[CanadianUtd]

I haven't gone back through this thread but I suspect there are many on this forum who don't share our position. But that's okay. I tend to differ in opinions on many topics with posters here...

Yep and honestly could care less about them (although it is alarming and shocking…)

Attack the post not the poster. Your post is an idiot.

Do you live under a rock?

yes I mean, people who got those vaccines are immune from getting said virus/disease. Unlike these “vaccines”(shots)

btw you seem to be a hateful person. I won’t be responding to you if this is how you interact with folks and expect to converse. Rather pathetic.

 

[Bosws87]

Likewise.

The blinded, willful, pro-vax pushing advocates do not see that their stance means infinite “involuntary”-mandatory boosters for rest of life. Because that’s quite exactly where this leads to and is leading to.

…..yes smallpox and chicken pox and such were eradicated with the use of vaccines. But do not compare them to these “vaccines”. These very ones don’t eradicate said disease/virus by any measure of the traditional definition. In fact, they actually changed the definition of vaccination as a result of said current vaccines. It’s almost misinformation to have labelled them as such. They’re much more in line of a flu-shot. And the (idiotic) people shouting down “get vaccinated so it’ll eradicate the virus as it was done to smallpox etc” — I guess what they really mean is like how they’ve eradicated the flu in the past.

Yeh i don't follow that timeline, i do however think Boris is making a huge overreaction to the data that's available and there is no real need for panic stations of the booster in all ages, totally get it for the clinically vulnerable/ elderly.

 

[Fingeredmouse]

Then I guess that means so are flu shots since they both work in the same ways.

I mean they’re great but no cures by any stretch of the imagination. Greatest work definitely by the pharmaceutical’s such as pfizer who pocketed a cool, record breaking $33B profit this year and are already projected to add an extra $3B to that next year. With virtually $0 going towards marketing with said products being used in emergency use/not FDA approved so they don’t even have or need the green light to advertise an approved product (which usually would mean nearly half of their profits were used towards that but nbd it’s being done by governments for them at no cost! )

Now, I strongly suspect we would not see eye to eye on economic politics but that's an issue of unfettered capitalism. Who else would produce the vaccines in the current global set up?

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Or the opposite as i've been told the overreactive immune response is usually the thing that kills people so he may of had a terrible reaction if he genuinely caught covid.

I'm talking about now after @Beachryan has had his booster. Three days of feeling unwell is pretty standard for an immune response.

 

[CanadianUtd]

I haven't posted in this thread before but just wanted to say that you're an inspiration @CanadianUtd and thank you for posting despite the fear of a backlash being so high. It takes a lot of courage to do what you're doing. In a way you remind me of those fighters who in the face of an overwhelming enemy will still hold on to their core beliefs and principles even if the chance of winning is basically zero. Yes, it would be fair to say you are the Bin Laden of the covid world.

thank you, you’re honestly too kind haha


likewise I think today is my first time in this thread. It’s crazy how extreme and team-oriented certain folks are. I’m just open minded and wanting to put my opinions and information out there with the openness to respectful dialogue. People that can’t do that don’t interest me at all.

…in spite of what’s going on in the world right now and what’s progressed/progressing (the ramifications), I may skim through some random pages of the thread and quote/bump things that have come to fruition. But it’ll probably be a waste of time because there’s bound to be some sort of justification for it all so maybe better off not bothering.

 

[Tarrou]

Yep and honestly could care less about them (although it is alarming and shocking…)






yes I mean, people who got those vaccines are immune from getting said virus/disease. Unlike these “vaccines”(shots)

btw you seem to be a hateful person. I won’t be responding to you if this is how you interact with folks and expect to converse. Rather pathetic.

I don't think this is true, no vaccine is 100% effective

 

[Lj82]

Begrudging that Pfizer is raking in profits from the vaccines is weird, when they are saving million of lives worldwide and allowing people to actually have some semblance of normalcy back.

 

[Fingeredmouse]

thank you, you’re honestly too kind haha


likewise I think today is my first time in this thread. It’s crazy how extreme and team-oriented certain folks are. I’m just open minded and wanting to put my opinions and information out there with the openness to respectful dialogue. People that can’t do that don’t interest me at all.

…in spite of what’s going on in the world right now and what’s progressed/progressing (the ramifications), I may skim through some random pages of the thread and quote/bump things that have come to fruition. But it’ll probably be a waste of time because there’s bound to be some sort of justification for it all so maybe better off not bothering.

You just called a poster a hateful person and pathetic and inferred that a proportion of the posters in the thread were inhuman, immoral and unethical. Not sure you're quite hitting the mark here.

 

[CanadianUtd]

I don't think this is true, no vaccine is 100% effective

In comparison to these vaccines and their drop-off rates (hence the need to endless boosters to makeup for said drops), it’s almost night and day in comparison to those certain traditional vaccines.

Point being, these ones are far more similar to flu shots. And remember how far the goal posts have moved down the line since they first talked about the vaccines. They talked of them in the traditional sense. That you wouldn’t contract covid and wouldn’t be able to transmit it. Remember “breakthrough” cases? …so yea, more like the covid equivalent flu shots. Mandatory for the rest of life as it’ll keep mutating as does the flu? That’ll be a no from me…..

 

[CanadianUtd]

You just called a poster a hateful person and pathetic and inferred that a proportion of the posters in the thread were inhuman, immoral and unethical. Not sure you're quite hitting the mark here.

I said so in response, not initiation, which I feel is true with how the poster came across.

And yes, the ramifications of these covid lockdowns/regulations are inhumane, immoral, and unethical. History proves that and so does common sense. It’s not an opinion, it’s a fact actually. Now if you’d like to discuss that we can by all means :]

 

[Deleted 20801]

thank you, you’re honestly too kind haha


likewise I think today is my first time in this thread. It’s crazy how extreme and team-oriented certain folks are. I’m just open minded and wanting to put my opinions and information out there with the openness to respectful dialogue. People that can’t do that don’t interest me at all.

…in spite of what’s going on in the world right now and what’s progressed/progressing (the ramifications), I may skim through some random pages of the thread and quote/bump things that have come to fruition. But it’ll probably be a waste of time because there’s bound to be some sort of justification for it all so maybe better off not bothering.

Yes and that's also what led me to form the comparison I used given the narrative is so one sided. Obviously the Taliban and Bin Laden are not looked upon favourably here so it seemed natural to put you on that "side" so to speak. The analogy also works as a prediction model as well as I expect all your arguments to be ignored as "extremist thinking" or "intellectual terrorism" and I can see the same thing happening where the mods will eventually go along with the public sentiment that you are a dangerous poster and ban you (shoot you in the head and throw you in the sea).

 

[Fingeredmouse]

I said so in response, not initiation, which I feel is true with how the poster came across.

And yes, the ramifications of these covid lockdowns/regulations are inhumane, immoral, and unethical. History proves that and so does common sense. It’s not an opinion, it’s a fact actually. Now if you’d like to discuss that we can by all means :]

So, I've had a long day and debating this matter with a poster who states that their opinion is fact and has form for insulting people and cites history on a literally unprecedented set of factors sounds like a recipe for disaster but fair enough then. Let's debate it.

Which ramifications do you project for the future as a consequence of tactics deployed to deal with Covid (or perhaps deployed under the excuse of dealing with Covid if you see it that way)? I assume you are referring to increased powers for Governments such the capacity to track individuals and increased societal compliance to control measures? These are valid concerns but what else would you suggest should have been done to control this pandemic's onslought?

 

[McUnited]

Then I guess that means so are flu shots since they both work in the same ways.

I mean they’re great but no cures by any stretch of the imagination. Greatest work definitely by the pharmaceutical’s such as pfizer who pocketed a cool, record breaking $33B profit this year and are already projected to add an extra $3B to that next year. With virtually $0 going towards marketing with said products being used in emergency use/not FDA approved so they don’t even have or need the green light to advertise an approved product (which usually would mean nearly half of their profits were used towards that but nbd it’s being done by governments for them at no cost! )

And, as far as I understand, in the UK at least they have indemnity from the government against litigation. The government will pay around £120,000 compensation for people suffering severe side-effects - perhaps an adequate sum at the time the provision was brought in several decades ago, but no longer fit for purpose.