If a few premier league players have been tested positive, there must be so many more in the wider population and its just that only a small proportion of the population are being tested.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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We need to pull together by staying apart.....
Great words from an Irish politician.
Great words from an Irish politician.
New measures The Netherlands:
Dont travel abroad
Work from home if possible
Dont go to your office if you have a cold
All events with over 100 people are cancelled
Schools stay open for now
So that's all football postponed too.
Dont travel abroad
Work from home if possible
Dont go to your office if you have a cold
All events with over 100 people are cancelled
Schools stay open for now
So that's all football postponed too.
My event has been cancelled. Probably for the best. Trying to convince my family not to go to Portugal next month. With my Nan and a kid. In a months time it could be a bad idea. Only losing out on 200 quid, small price to pay.
Things have really kicked off here in Norway. We're pretty much implementing the same rules as Italy, with some exceptions. Restaurants are allowed to have guests if they can stay at least 1 meter away from each other
The next step is closing restaurants. Then airports(all arrivals must stay 2 weeks in quarantine now, though). And then Wuhan rules.
The next step is closing restaurants. Then airports(all arrivals must stay 2 weeks in quarantine now, though). And then Wuhan rules.
FIFA and UEFA have amassed massive cash reserves over the years. This is exactly the sort of situation when they should turn to that, the greedy fecks.
The slight variations in each country are interesting. That's pretty much exactly what Ireland have announced, except we've also closed schools but haven't (as far as I can see) said not to travel abroad.
And there we go. We have over 100 (+130) new cases in a day in the UK for the first time.
Hold tight, eat those vitamins and say those prayers.
Hold tight, eat those vitamins and say those prayers.
The UK response has been pathetically reactive. Have done nothing proactive & even this fecking cobra meeting is taking an age. Idiots.
As the whole WA debacle showed, the key to Tory strategy is to look like they're in control and know what they're doing. Rather than actually doing anything.
They've got no reason to change it to because the electorate have shown, that if you speak slowly with your posh accent they'll buy whatever shit you're feeding them.
The thing is there are plenty of other reputable experts who are endorsing the approach so far. The Guardian news feed does a good job of rounding this all up.
Tbf to the UK, Ireland's figures yesterday in terms of cases per million (8.95) is roughly the same as the UK's today (8.88), albeit with slightly more testing per million (480+ vs 448).
According to the Irish gov it was the number of subsequent cases since that point (yet to be announced) and an increase in community transmissions that prompted them to step up measures.
So using those figures as a very rough ballpark for what is a complicated issue, it's not like the UK is completely out of step in that sense. Though you would expect them to catch up presently anyway.
According to the Irish gov it was the number of subsequent cases since that point (yet to be announced) and an increase in community transmissions that prompted them to step up measures.
So using those figures as a very rough ballpark for what is a complicated issue, it's not like the UK is completely out of step in that sense. Though you would expect them to catch up presently anyway.
Spain jumps to 2968 cases and 84 deaths.
This is surreal. Just been sent home from work for at least two weeks, the gym is closed, the stores are empty because cnuts suddenly think they need to buy 1000 packs of toilet paper and I have no idea what to with myself the next 14 days. With how we’ve treated the planet for the past 100 years, I suppose we had it coming.
Wanking and PlayStation it is.
Wanking and PlayStation it is.
The UK government seem to have decided everyone is going to get it, so let's try and manage it.
Other governments seem to have decided that transmission can be stopped. I think UK government is probably right, better to smooth the curve than react too early.
Do we know the false positive and false negative rates of these tests? For example the army HIV test needs to be administered multiple times and if it shows positive on all occasions, they select those handful of cases for additional testing before giving someone a diagnosis. Otherwise you could dangerously be letting people who were flagged on one test due to random error into quarantine or worse letting someone who beat the test due to random error be out there in the general population.
So now they think it's mostly being spread by people with no symptoms. News keeps getting worse and worse.
Clearly medical concerns should be first priority in this emergency. But attacking politicians for not following advice from pandemic experts exactly is not right. Politicians aka the government have to take other considerations into account too, like economic ones and how the decisions influence society e,g. civil unrest etc.
Higher unemployment and a crashing economy will also lead to medical problems. A major crash could in the long term shorten live expectancy. In another way that is also costing "lives", higher unemployment leads to more domestic violence etc.
There is a lot to consider for the government in this situation. Are pandemic experts considering this too?
Probably not, because it is not their job. But the government has to.
I assumed we would also close schools really, but the PM said, children arent really at risk. Not sure why he says that though. As far as I know children are as susceptible as anyone. Maybe not at much risk of dying, but they can carry it and infect their parents.
I've been following David Abel on YouTube, he is one of the passengers from the cruise ship in Yokohama. He says that the Japanese doctors have said that their tests are about 70% accurate. Patients have to test negative in consecutive tests to be declared clear.
Now cancelled https://www.moveitdance.co.uk/ - it was due to start tomorrow so some of the performers/visitors will already be there/en-route.
More importantly they may live/be looked after by their grandparents, who are more likely to die. Better they're in school.
With the ISS now being their home, I think it might be the case.
-ISS this is Houston , you can now enter the spacecraft for the return!
- Houston, ISS here....we think we are good!
-ISS Houston , please repeat!
Whos saying this?
The UK city centre has been struggling and this is really going to kill it.
I don’t feel sorry for UEFA, Fifa or premier league clubs. They got a lot of cash in reserve.
It’s the small businesses that are going to suffer. Your local restaurant or pubs are going to suffer massively.
I don’t feel sorry for UEFA, Fifa or premier league clubs. They got a lot of cash in reserve.
It’s the small businesses that are going to suffer. Your local restaurant or pubs are going to suffer massively.
Yes he should have. But loads of people aren't taking this seriously. And I don't know who would compensate him for his loss of income because a PT can't work from home.
I think part of the effectiveness of closing schools as a measure is also that some parents will therefore have to stay at home, which also contributes to slowing the spread. Though the downside is that also drags workers from essential services. It might be that ye're not yet at the point where doing that would be at its most effective?
A sad, nerdy part of me would like to look at the modelling they use to decide what to implement and when to do it. It'd be kinda interesting to see what effects different factors have.
We've been told to start working from home effective Monday.
A lot of people will lose businesses, I think it will be worse than 2008 because businesses at least had a chance but if you're operating on fine margins then you can't afford a period of inactivity.
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or they're "battling for drinking yogurts". That headline won't get clicks though.
Thee worst logic of all time. It isn't better they are at school, as they will be spreading it wildly between each other and taking it home with them to then infect their parents who will then infect everyone else. You need to implement social distancing ASAP. Work will have to stop for all but essential trade and even then restrictions will have to be put in place.
The UK shouldn't be different from any other country. Singapore etc are the gold standard for this. We should follow not blindly go down the route of bravely carrying on.
Dutch government have just stated anyone with any symptoms should self-isolate, people should work from home as much as possible and any gatherings > 100 people should be cancelled. Also, the elderly (weak) should self-isolate as much as possible for their own safety. Schools aren't being closed (yet) because this would force parents to stay at home too and this would increase the stress on vital (health) services.
That is scary, so even if a person has the virus, there is a 9% chance they won't be caught.
Someone I know sharing a petition for self employed people to get sick pay while they can't work because she's a DJ. The fecker's been taking cash in hand for donkeys. Not to mention self employed folks should have an emergency fund set up for sickness. If she can't afford one then it wasn't the right time to quit her job to be a DJ that only works weekends.
Things have really kicked off here in Norway. We're pretty much implementing the same rules as Italy, with some exceptions. Restaurants are allowed to have guests if they can stay at least 1 meter away from each other
The next step is closing restaurants. Then airports(all arrivals must stay 2 weeks in quarantine now, though). And then Wuhan rules.
Wuhan rules doesn't make sense, because Norway is a (small) country and Wuhan was a province in a large country. Unless you mean Wuhan rules as in not allowing anyone into Norway, as opposed to shutting down regions of Norway.
If infection among school kids is low enough then I'd think that the benefits of keeping them away from each other and keeping some parents at home with them would outweigh the cost in terms of any infections the kids themselves bring home.
It's all about timing though. Too late and they'd already be infected, too early and it's not as effective. Plus you'd have to weigh up when the best time to lose those parents who work in essential services is.
How great would it be if the world leaders all decided to say feck it and all agree a 3 week lockdown on absolutely everything right now. I don't get what's the point of one country of going in quarantine and then once they finish, people from infected countries travel and it restarts.
Granted telling companies and co to shut everything down is one of the big problems but it would help significantly (if advice/evidence has shown)
Granted telling companies and co to shut everything down is one of the big problems but it would help significantly (if advice/evidence has shown)