Brilliant news! I hope you continue a speedy recovery at home.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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They should also announce that you'll need a covid passport to smoke cigarettes, drink wine and commit adultery. There'd be a 100% uptake by the end of the week.
Good to hear, not sure what it's like for you where you live but hopefully you are getting some help from community chest physio or something of the sort as well but here's a good resource with self-help on some common issues post-discharge
https://www.yourcovidrecovery.nhs.uk/
Cheers that's for that, I have been doing a lot of reading up as well.
I had a physio come in every day while I was at the hospital and that seemed to helped a lot, so want to see if I can arrange some more sessions.
Will keep doing all the recommended breathing exercises and walks they encouraged me to do.
Good news @SirAnderson, hope you'll start feeling much better now you're home.
Assuming you've been vaccinated, it's been surprisingly easy to get hold of the Green Pass here in Italy, the country that has more bureaucracy than any other. They send you a code after your second jab, you go on a website link and there it is, to download and/or print off. For the technologically-challenged, it says you can ask for it to be printed off for you at a pharmacy (as they can access the Ministry of Health database).
What's to stop you printing someone else's vaccine passport anyway and using it as your own?
The microchip in your arm will beep
Well, for someone giving it a cursory glance when you go into a pub, there's nothing to stop you, although I think a paper document would be scrutinised more closely than something on your phone. For it to work properly, you should have to show photo ID at the same time. For travel purposes, it's a different matter because of course you'd need to show your passport, too.
The European vaccine passports have all your details on them plus a QR code which gives the info about when and where you had the jabs.
Pretty much, the outliers issue could turn into serious numbers though as case rates rise. The double vaxxed are unlikely to infect each other, so infection chains should get blocked. However, with high case rates, the chances of meeting someone who has it are high, and with a third of the population unvaxxed, there are plenty of opportunities for the virus to spread, including to the vaxxed or unable to be vaxxed groups.
Unfortunately it's not really about, "just don't go to busy clubs/pubs then." People go home again after a night out and go to work the next day. Public transport can be an unavoidable risk. The multi-generation family holiday or birthday party becomes a high risk activity. The hope is that people will self regulate and there are signs of that in some of the local outbreaks, but it's going to be a stressful time and dangerous for some (including some who don't think they're in danger).
Im glad I live in a relatively small rural town so - sound like this virus will be relevant for another year at minimum
I've managed to get my NHS Covid Pass through NHS login. I assume the app works the same way. Nice and easy.
For those wondering, you get two 2-D barcodes which expire 30 days after you produce them (one to prove each of your vaccinations). There's also a message at the top telling any interested parties to 'Please check against the bearer's identity'.
For those wondering, you get two 2-D barcodes which expire 30 days after you produce them (one to prove each of your vaccinations). There's also a message at the top telling any interested parties to 'Please check against the bearer's identity'.
Yeh it's simple enough but entirely dreadful it isn't within the same NHS Covid App, sometimes you can't believe how short sighted some things are.
Big jump in the number of covid deaths in the UK, up to 50.
And another 36,660 new infections. Bet the actual number is higher but some are not being reported for obvious reasons.
And another 36,660 new infections. Bet the actual number is higher but some are not being reported for obvious reasons.
Sugar, now I'm a little afraid. Would still like to know how many of those 50 were 1) partly vaxxed, 2) fully vaxxed, 3) totally unvaccinated. Couldn't find anything on Google.
Not their fault really. The covid app has to be anonymous, it uses the Google/Apple interface and things like the covid test result need you to choose to enter the result code, or not. PHE don't know who actually does update the app and who doesn't and they don't know who it alerts.
The NHS app on the other hand gives access to some of your medical history, with no anonymity preserved. When you see your green tick and QR code you also see your real name and date of birth alongside it.
Not really given the track and trace app is anonymous.
Today's reported deaths won't appear in the summary reports for another week or so. They'll almost certainly tell you that more vaccinated people died than uncaccinated.
The reason for that is that almost all over 60s are double vaxxed and almost all deaths right through the pandemic have been in the 60+ group. UK policy has been to vaccinate those most likely to die. An unvaxxed 20 year old is still at lower risk than a fully vaxxed 80 year old - even with the incredibly high vaccine efficiency we're seeing.
If you look at the US stats where vaccine take-up hasn't been so unanimous in the older groups, you see a different picture. There, more than 99% of deaths in May were in the unvaxxed group, even though more than half of the population have been vaccinated.
Of the four, what hasn't been met?
Had my second jab today.
For the past couple of days I've felt really run down and tired...had the jab...and now it seems I'm developing a cold? Did a LFT that was negative
For the past couple of days I've felt really run down and tired...had the jab...and now it seems I'm developing a cold? Did a LFT that was negative
From a public health perspective it’s terrible design, it’s not controversial to admit that not everyone is tech savvy it’s poorly formulated simple as.
I’m not sure what your point is here. Your initial complaint was that the track and trace app and the general NHS app are not one in the same.
The track and trace app is (by design) anonymous and the general NHS app contains your entire medical records.
Surely it’s easy to understand why they are not both in one app?
Just talking from real life experience where I’ve had to explain this to people and set it up for them, that’s all
If you ever have the misfortune of eating in O’Connell street it already happens pre pandemicCan already imagine you tipping your glass to the pathetic youngsters staring hungrily through the restaurant windows.
When are they actually making the decision on when under 18s will be eligible for the jab if they so wish? Seems it's been debated and looked at for months now while US started their roll out from mid June.
O.k they're very low risk but ultimately it's still another 5m or so who can spread covid in a continous loop once they return to education in September so surely will happen then.
O.k they're very low risk but ultimately it's still another 5m or so who can spread covid in a continous loop once they return to education in September so surely will happen then.
Test 3. Surge in new Covid infections. They are rising steeply.
The JCVI will decide on timing. I wouldn't be surprised to see it opened to 16/17 year olds + over 12s with particular risk factors (maybe even including a family member at high risk.
I hope they do start doing 17 year olds in particular this month if only to make sure they can get the ones who will go away to college in the autumn double vaxxed.
It doesn't mention that, it specifically relates to infection rates and surge in hospitalisations, not case rates. Test three states the following:
We've had both Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance coming out and saying that the NHS can cope with the current levels and we're not seeing surges that we've seen in previous waves, so I disagree in your assessment.
I'm not confident the UK is making the right decision again with this "freedom day" policy. Is it likely likely be another Tory clusterfeck?
To your last point, you should read the Sage report on reopening. They say there is a great degree of uncertainty on this and that if people go back to pre pandemic behaviours, we could have 4000+ hospitalisations per day, which would lead to interventions again. Only by people acting responsibly and ethically do they see us having a gradual, longer wave of 1000-1500 hospitalisations.
I think the main debate in all of this is whether the public are going to do their bit or not. Personally, I don’t think they will BUT there are many that do and that’s fair enough too.
Up to you.
However, I made this statement having listened to a number of leading scientific and medical people saying that all the indications are that the surge in new Covid infections is highly likely to result in a significant increase in hospital admissions around the middle of August. This was based on 30% of UK population not having two full vaccinations plus the 10 days that the body needs to produce the required immunity.
Current hospital levels are increasing day on day and so are deaths.
Massive gamble, though the broad principles make a kind of sense. The use of terminology like "freedom day" is dangerous - it's a "go and hide" day for lots of people. The decision to drop mitigations (like masks on public transport) on purely political grounds is offensive.
What looks like a decision (or lack of one) to ignore other mitigations - like better financial support for self-isolation, action on ventilation in workplaces and schools etc is a mark of impatience and indifference, not science. Their response to the covid tracking app getting triggered, is to turn down the volume on the alarm. There's talk that free issue LFTs and instructions for routine testing in schools etc will be removed. They've reached the, "if we close our eyes and jump it might be ok," moment.
If we get through the summer with no more than 10k in hospital at any one time, it'll be a seen as a success. But it will still mean massive overload on hospital staff and resources and another pause on non-urgent care. We'll also be seeing at least 100 people/day die - which is never good news but it might be wishful thinking to believe that there's a way to avoid them.
The actual results will depend on what happens in terms of social/family mixing and for that all we can do is hope for the best, and advise even the double vaxxed to be cautious and everyone that it's not as simple as declaring yourself "willing to take the risk" because that risk affects other people as well.
In the meantime the South Pacific Island of Niue has reached 90% vaccinations. (We all need some good news with this virus)
All for everything opening up again, just don't understand why public transport or large enclosed areas a Mask isn't mandated.
I cant wait to go back to old trafford with full capacity, but anyone that's been and have to get the tram home from exchange quays knows the insanity of no masks in a carriage you cannot move in .
I cant wait to go back to old trafford with full capacity, but anyone that's been and have to get the tram home from exchange quays knows the insanity of no masks in a carriage you cannot move in .
Come on now. Current infection rates clearly risk a rise in hospitalisations. Risk aside, we’re already seeing an actual increase.
I see that the mayor of London has made a decision to keep mandatory masks on the tube. I wonder if other local leaders will end up doing the same?
You would hope some common sense is applied, Manchester transport could just put more frequent trams on at kick off times but that's a ridiculous suggestion
Next they will be wondering why no one buys a ticket for the tram service on match days.
The definition of surge would mean absolute numbers and not percentage increase, unless we measure bed capacity by another metric? They do risk a rise in hospitalisations, but case rates seem to be concentrated within the under 29's - most likely those without full vaccinations. Comparing wave to wave, as a broad brush it's looking like it's 2/3's less due to the vaccination impact.
However there are so many variables that sit behind hospitalisations that currently isn't reported, age profile of patient, time spent in hospital, whether they're vaccinated or not. So high numbers of admission is not a problem if they're turning around quicker than previous waves. I don't think they would talk with much confidence on the health service being able to cope if the profiles were similar to the previous waves.
However back to your point on risk, it's correct. It's risk but there's risk everywhere with this, but after the population is vaccinated then we're going to have to tackle the risk head on as there's no other solutions other than living in a constant lockdown.
Yep. And the Tory acolytes will carp on about the ‘Muslim Mayor’ and the culture war has another log to burn.
It’s clear as day that they’ve taken a position of ‘Freedom & Personal Responsibility’ to then point at Nannying overreaching Metropolitan Mayors to dilute their positions. It won’t take long.
Without legislation (as they have until 19 July) will transport companies actually have any powers to force people to wear a mask?