Get well very soon man. You are doing all you can best wishes.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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Thanks lads.
Just had a chest x-ray and my Covid test came back negative. It seems I've just got a really nasty ear and throat virus caused from being run down and overworked I got a bit of a bollocking and told to rest which was amusing.
Guess that is good though - take it easy.Thanks lads.
Just had a chest x-ray and my Covid test came back negative. It seems I've just got a really nasty ear and throat virus caused from being run down and overworked I got a bit of a bollocking and told to rest which was amusing.
Thanks mate. It's very good considering the restaurant right next door to us closed today due to multiple confirmed cases.
The cost to owners is insane with all this closing, sanitizing and fumigating, deep cleaning etc. But hey, it's back to normal next Monday isn't it?
What does “if we go cautiously mean”?
Very odd.
Very odd.
It's like the government are making it up as they go along, off the cuff
He's fecked himself again - he made a big deal about it being unreversible etc. so now has to say it's happening but hoping the public decide to voluntarily keep restrictions
We’re run by morons.
This is by no means new information, but today’s news is a good reminder.
This is by no means new information, but today’s news is a good reminder.
@langster, oates and I send big hugs, hope you're soon back home with your feet up watching TV. xx
Won't that be when kids start to go back to school?
Oh hell just seen your post @langster, get some bloody rest you idiot and feel better soon mate.
Good and speedy recovery @langster
These days, I think it is a bit unfair to criticise BoJo given the success of the vaccine campaign.
What are your recommendations? Another lockdown now?
What are your recommendations? Another lockdown now?
The government advisory group's SPI-M model - the thing that's supposed to estimate hospitalisations etc as the case rates rise had been updated:
https://assets.publishing.service.g...I-M-O_Summary_Roadmap_second_Step_4.2__1_.pdf
They show a wide range of outcomes with somewhere between 1000/day and 10,000/day hospital admissions depending on the way the case rates across age groups move. To go with the wide margins there's a set of information about vaccine effectiveness, vaccine takeup by age and the big unknown social mixing behaviour. The optimistic projections come from the idea that the 40+ will basically behave like they're doing now and, of the unvaxxed groups, only the under 30s will actually start to really mix more.
Personally I'd interpret that as meaning if age group (indoor) mixing rates change, all bets are off really. They say, that given the uncertainties, case and hospitalisation rates need continuous monitoring. On that basis, the under 1000 admissions/day line is currently looking a little optimistic - but they're hoping that schools breaking up will make it better rather than worse and that the case rate flattening seen in the north west is typical.
https://assets.publishing.service.g...I-M-O_Summary_Roadmap_second_Step_4.2__1_.pdf
They show a wide range of outcomes with somewhere between 1000/day and 10,000/day hospital admissions depending on the way the case rates across age groups move. To go with the wide margins there's a set of information about vaccine effectiveness, vaccine takeup by age and the big unknown social mixing behaviour. The optimistic projections come from the idea that the 40+ will basically behave like they're doing now and, of the unvaxxed groups, only the under 30s will actually start to really mix more.
Personally I'd interpret that as meaning if age group (indoor) mixing rates change, all bets are off really. They say, that given the uncertainties, case and hospitalisation rates need continuous monitoring. On that basis, the under 1000 admissions/day line is currently looking a little optimistic - but they're hoping that schools breaking up will make it better rather than worse and that the case rate flattening seen in the north west is typical.
It is rediculous and clearly demonstrates his lack of leadership.
Is it important to wear a face covering inside a public place or not.
The answer can only be yes or no. That is unless you are the PM.
This is a public safety issue. Just the same as smoking and drink driving.
Governments tried to recommend not to. But it only became the the norm when legislation was imposed.
But with Covid, something that has killed at least 130,000 people in just over a year, they are removing legislation and 'urging' the public to wear a face covering inside crowded places.
Crazy.
A sensible approach like keeping masks for transport, in shops etc, and social distancing.
that doesn’t equal lockdown but it’s sensible
I thought he changed his mind in the last days and that masks remain mandatory in transports and shops.
Oh maybe he has, haven’t seen the news last few days. I thought he had said his decisions were irreversible the other day
Hum.. this has become a "recommendation", not an obligation. Got it
In other words do whatever the fook you all like so he can pin the blame on the public when it goes to shit
A 3 week circuit breaker lockdown in September.
We are in for an interesting few weeks...
We are in for an interesting few weeks...
I'm not @langster's biggest fan, far from it actually, but wish him a speedy recovery....
Sky News stats guy making a serious attempt at showing how this latest wave in the UK is going, and how it differs from previous waves. Click on the tweet to see the whole thread. It also shows some of the modelling being used to advise the government and the NHS.
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It’s going to hit the fan in about 3 weeks isn’t it. The ‘if not now, when?’ line does my head in. They obviously don’t think they’ll have everyone double jabbed and suitably protected before the onset of seasonal flu so they’re going for it. Is there a lag to peak protection after the second vaccine dose?
I think they’ve gone to soon because they’ve put themselves between a rock and a hard place and now we’ve all got to cringe and wince as all figures go to the moon until someone says enough is enough and enforces restrictions.
I think they’ve gone to soon because they’ve put themselves between a rock and a hard place and now we’ve all got to cringe and wince as all figures go to the moon until someone says enough is enough and enforces restrictions.
Boris Johnson statement to the country when it was decided to extend the Covid restrictions in June - We are going to follow the data and not the date.
Nice sound bite. But as usual, it meant nothing.
Latest statement to support the decision to support the July 19th date - if we can not drop the restrictions now, then when....
Spot the difference.
Nice sound bite. But as usual, it meant nothing.
Latest statement to support the decision to support the July 19th date - if we can not drop the restrictions now, then when....
Spot the difference.
If you're young and healthy, two weeks after the first dose you'll already be seeing a big jump in protection.
Two weeks after the second dose you'll be getting maximum protection from the mRNA vaccines. With AZ, it's very good after two weeks (and those are the figures you see quoted for efficacy) but it may be better still after four.
You're right to think that part of the concern is due to flu. The global surveillance system on flu is warning that it may be big (having not really been around much last year) and it may arrive early.
The various super-spreader events that took place all over England and Italy on Sunday night are bound to have an impact. It's funny, but when I see big crowds of people I now immediately think of the infection risk rather than anything else. We've become conditioned!
It's noticeable that while they still talk about monitoring the data they don't want to say what numbers they'd find unacceptable. Broadly the answer based on the modelling they're seeing is that they have already decided that 1000/2000 hospitalisations/day and deaths in the low hundreds are ok. If it stays in that range the only numbers they will care about are those from the opinion polls.
That said, Boris is right, if not now then when is a valid question. First dose vaccinations have slowed right down, and they're on the slow, tough sell bit of the rollout now. Talk of foreign travel and vaccine passports might help with a few waverers (but not for months due to dose timing - maybe now would be a good moment for the J&J one dose version). Changes in quarantine/isolation rules for the vaxxed only help if you think the unvaxxed will stick to them.
Wait until autumn and the schools are back and students are traveling across country. Wait until winter and the hospitals are full even in a good year.
I wish they hadn't gone with the mixed messaging on things like mask wearing and social distancing. Talk about Freedom Day, always should have come with a health warning. Basically the real message is if you're young and unvaxxed come out and catch covid but don't visit/live with your parents/grandparents - do your bit for herd immunity safely. If you're old, at risk or unvaxxed - don't be the collateral damage.
They didn't have to "remove all legal limits," that was just a headline for the Daily Mail and a bone to throw to some of the more rabid Tory MPs.
They could have done more by now on issues around ventilation, and air changes in enclosed spaces. They could have kept the mask law for supermarkets/pharmacies and on public transport etc - the places the vulnerable can't avoid.
What we've got is very much a close your eyes and hope for the best moment - with Boris as driver.
Pubs and bars have certainly not been running as normal here in Wales! People are restricted to sitting at their tables with table service only, severely reducing capacity as normally most people would be standing up.
Like you, I can understand that at some point in time, things could change.
But with infections rising exponentially and hospital admissions doing the same, the much more logical thing would be a structured relaxation. Relax something then analyse the effect.
Most importantly, not all of the 4 tests have been met. And that is why it should not all be done at once. In particular the wearing of masks in indoor public places.
And Chris Wittey does not seem at all comfortable with what has been decided.
So is it fair to say the virus will only hospitalise the unvaccinated and the few poor outliers that have been vaccinated but for some reason doesn't get the benefit of the vax?
Meanwhile, in France, Macron had announced that you'll need a covid passport to go into restaurants and cafes:
Yep, that's the French vaccine booking system experiencing a sudden dose of public enthusiasm last night.
Yep, that's the French vaccine booking system experiencing a sudden dose of public enthusiasm last night.
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@langster it easy mate, get well soon
Told you it was a good idea, can't believe you didn't listen to me.
Can already imagine you tipping your glass to the pathetic youngsters staring hungrily through the restaurant windows.7 days later and I'm being discharged today, and just happy to be going home.
Smell is also gradually coming back and it seems the worst is behind me.
Will continue to get oxygen at home as and when I need, but happy days.
Good to hear that! Speedy recovery now!
I really love the idea of allowing only the vaccinated to go into restaurants or cafes. Not only because it will slow down the spread but also because it will rile up the anti-vaxx brigade to unbelievable levels.