SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Paxi said:
Don't younger people have natural antibodies though? If we build a herd immunity naturally, which is what UK gov were suggesting in the first place, then why do younger people need it now? Does inoculation mean lower viral load, transmission?
Click to expand...
Younger people can still transmit the virus. There is no natural herd immunity. The UK govt in the beginning got it all horribly wrong which is why they changed direction. Its really very simple. The more people vaccinated the harder it is for the virus to spread. If young people catch the virus but dont have any health problems it still doesnt mean they cant infect those who are vulnerable.
Less people catching the virus means less people being in danger. The best way to have less people being infected is to have more people vaccinated. The key point about herd immunity is that individual actions benefit others. People who dont want to get the vaccine because they dont think they are at risk of serious problems are forgetting that they can help save others by being vaccinated.
 
Paxi said:
Mate, the argument is; everyone in my immediate family (30 people) mostly, middle aged, battled through Covid -- all but one had mild symptoms. The one died, though.
When in Russia, there is absolutely no social distancing, nothing.. In Bashkiria where a mayor of Ufa dies of Covid and then, then there is just nothing. Where Covid waves just seemed to "pass them by" then how does one explain as to why people should vaccinate?
Click to expand...

Surely you’ve answered your own question? Based purely on your own experience there’s a one in 30 chance of dying from covid. Why on earth wouldn’t you take a vaccine where the chance of it doing you harm is one in tens of thousands?
 
Stack said:
Younger people can still transmit the virus. There is no natural herd immunity. The UK govt in the beginning got it all horribly wrong which is why they changed direction. Its really very simple. The more people vaccinated the harder it is for the virus to spread. If young people catch the virus but dont have any health problems it still doesnt mean they cant infect those who are vulnerable.
Less people catching the virus means less people being in danger. The best way to have less people being infected is to have more people vaccinated. The key point about herd immunity is that individual actions benefit others. People who dont want to get the vaccine because they dont think they are at risk of serious problems are forgetting that they can help save others by being vaccinated.
Click to expand...

Is that true?
 
Paxi said:
Is that true?
Click to expand...
Yes thats exactly how herd immunity is achieved. Herd immunity is a result of vaccinations along with those who have natural immunity via having been infected, best practice hygiene habits, early intervention public health processes and effective care once infected.

 
Pogue Mahone said:
Surely you’ve answered your own question? Based purely on your own experience there’s a one in 30 chance of dying from covid. Why on earth wouldn’t you take a vaccine where the chance of it doing you harm is one in tens of thousands?
Click to expand...
That was a hypothetical argument. A lot of people had Covid and one died. A fit, 50 year old. It seems indiscriminate because a lot of our family should die. A lot high blood pressure, diabetes, just general hear problems etc.. but nope.. just Slava whom was a strapping 6' 2 Russian than never had a medical card.
 
Stack said:
Yes thats exactly how herd immunity is achieved. Herd immunity is a result of vaccinations along with those who have natural immunity via having been infected, best practice hygiene habits, early intervention public health processes and effective care once infected.

Click to expand...

Right that explains it clearly, We've 8/10 antibodies. 80 percent... Thankfully, I live Ireland, and we don't botch numbers... Where is this number coming from?
 
Pexbo said:
What about an immune compromised 16 year old who cannot get the vaccine and relies on the rest of society to off them protection?

I had a vaccine a couple of weeks ago, I’m 34 and understand the minuscule risk the vaccine has to me, the moderate risk covid has to me and the responsibility I have to do my bit to help protect those who can’t protect themselves.

If you have a shred of common sense and a shred of empathy for others you get a jab in your arm and a day or so later forget it even happened.

I’m my opinion anyone who won’t do that is either incredibly ignorant, incredibly selfish or an absolute fecking wet blanket.
Click to expand...

This. Unfortunately too many of my friends don’t want to take the vaccine & their families have not taken it either. I can’t understand why anyone wouldn’t take it, unless there’s a medical reason they shouldn’t.
 
Paxi said:
So this Covid is here to stay? I suspected as such but I never heard an official confirmation.

Mate if my granny, and she's the last one left, had two jabs: she fully inoculated -- so how can infect her?
Click to expand...

Covid is here to stay if we don't all get vaccinated so we achieve HIT. Vaccination 101.

Your granny can get covid after having both vaccine shots because none of the covid vaccines are sterilising, like most vaccines. However, your granny will likely have a much reduced chance of getting covid and if she does getvit she has a much reduced chance of serious symptoms or death. If we reach HIT the virus could be eliminated.
 
Paxi said:
I never had an argument against vaccination. By all means... tell me.. It's just we all had Covid and now people are struggling.
Click to expand...

Honestly, I really don't understand your position or what you're asking. The reasons to get a vaccine are a) it reduces your risk of harm from coronavirus and b) it reduces your risk of spreading infection. Even if your risk of harm is very low - and as a young, healthy person, it is very low - this just lowers it further. The question I'm asking is what's the reason(s) against? You said yourself that there are convincing arguments against getting them on VK and I'm just asking what they are. I don't think you're a conspiracy theorist at all. I'm just saying your question can't be answered specifically if you don't provide specifics for your own view. What were the convincing arguments against vaccination, and what convinced you about them?
 
Wibble said:
Covid is here to stay if we don't all get vaccinated so we achieve HIT. Vaccination 101.

Your granny can get covid after having both vaccine shots because none of the covid vaccines are sterilising, like most vaccines. However, your granny will likely have a much reduced chance of getting covid and if she does getvit she has a much reduced chance of serious symptoms or death. If we reach HIT the virus could be eliminated.
Click to expand...
So I just tell my granny to get vaccinated?
Or I just tell my mum to get vaccinated?
 
Paxi said:
So I just tell my granny to get vaccinated?
Or I just tell my mum to get vaccinated?
Click to expand...
Jesus are you for real? Unless they both want to spin a dice every time they interact with someone yes they should both get vaccinated. It won’t stop them possibly catching it, but it will stop them dying or getting hospitalised from it
 
golden_blunder said:
Jesus are you for real? Unless they both want to spin a dice every time they interact with someone yes they should both get vaccinated. It won’t stop them possibly catching it, but it will stop them dying or getting hospitalised from it
Click to expand...
Yeah but what about my dad?
Or my dad's brother?
Or my dad's brother's wife?
Or my dad's brother's wife's dog?

I mean, where does all this vaccination stuff end?!?
 
Didn't they say they could tweak vaccines in about six weeks to deal with any new variant or is that an optimistic timescale?

We've known about the Indian variant for well over a month now so shouldn't be too far away to nip it in the bud when booster jabs are needed for some.
 
Widow said:
Just had my second AZ jab. I've read the side effects are less common the second time around.

Can anyone who's had it confirm this?
Click to expand...

I can confirm that is the case. Arm ache and general lethargy for the second jab.
 
Widow said:
Just had my second AZ jab. I've read the side effects are less common the second time around.

Can anyone who's had it confirm this?
Click to expand...

I had my second AZ jab 30 hours ago. No serious symptoms this time. Slight tiredness and heavy eyes but nothing like the first jab where I needed to take many paracetamols.
 
My wife is now in isolation following one of her colleagues testing positive , exactly a day after losing her fight with her bosses to continue to work from home! They were masked up and largely social distancing for the one day they were together and she (and I ) have had negative lateral flow tests so hopefully we’ll be ok. We’ve both also had one jab so there’s some protection there too at least. My work as opposed to hers are overly cautious and they’ve sent me home too and I’m not to return until we both have a negative PCR.

I know two other people that also got told to isolate today so that shows how prevalent it is again in the UK. Stay safe people.
 
Paxi said:
Don't younger people have natural antibodies though? If we build a herd immunity naturally, which is what UK gov were suggesting in the first place, then why do younger people need it now? Does inoculation mean lower viral load, transmission?
Click to expand...

Younger people don't have natural antibodies but it's far less likely to do serious damage to them. For me it's got little to do with protecting the elderly etc although that's the main rationale behind vaccinating en masse. If a 30 year old gets it, you have a very roughly 3% chance of ending up in hospital struggling to breathe and a 0.2% chance of dying. Do you want to take the chance that you will be one of them? I don't.

Honestly though, I would also be more wary if all i was offered was the Russian vaccine.
 
Wolverine said:
Click to expand...


Sensible considering the spread of Delta variant.

But, at some point Boris & his band of buffoons need to be held to account as to why India was not put on the red list sooner & their general conduct through the entire pandemic.
 
ha_rooney said:
Sensible considering the spread of Delta variant.

But, at some point Boris & his band of buffoons need to be held to account as to why India was not put on the red list sooner & their general conduct through the entire pandemic.
Click to expand...

Anyone could see it coming, even now, we all knew June 21st was likely to be too soon. Yet they over promised and went back at the last minute again. All the wasted money that businesses have spent getting ready for the reopening.

It’s very frustrating having to read the “I told you so” comments from the unvaccinated”.
 
I'm getting dose one of the moderna jab next week.
Haven't heard of anyone getting that one
 
golden_blunder said:
Why do people expect anything less from him? He wings everything. Every time he opens his mouth he lies
Click to expand...

It's really astounding that a man like him is in number 10.
Whatever about his apparent lack of any sense and credibility he's not even likeable.
 
McGrathsipan said:
I'm getting dose one of the moderna jab next week.
Haven't heard of anyone getting that one
Click to expand...
My sister in laws partner got the Moderna jab and had mild cold like symptoms afterwards but nothing more. It is a highly effective mRNA vaccine so a great option.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.