Just had my Pfizer vaccination a few seconds ago now waiting 15 before I drive home
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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just to buck the trend I felt bad the first dose and appalling the second hope that helps
Yuck Fou
Regarding UK: is it the calm before the storm?
I felt nothing until later in the evening, like someone punched my arm a few times. Gone the next morning.
Can't feel anything so far I am drinking though but only a few, so far.
Hard to tell at similar case numbers we were seeing around 400 a day hospitilized its currently below half of that.
just to buck the trend I felt bad the first dose and appalling the second hope that helps
21 hours in and thankfully everything is nice and gentle so far. A little upset tummy in the middle of the night but no headaches, etc. At this stage after the first dose I was way worse. Hopefully this continues for the rest of the day.
21 hours in and thankfully everything is nice and gentle so far. A little upset tummy in the middle of the night but no headaches, etc. At this stage after the first dose I was way worse. Hopefully this continues for the rest of the day.
Ah nice, I think after that long you’re clear, result!
Alcohol?
Capri sun
Is there a reason as to why everyone needs a vaccine? If everyone in certain age groups and vulnerable groups have both of the jabs, then why do people at low risk need to be jabbed? I'm not comparing it to a flu but isn't kind of the same in a sense that older people die and young people recover whilst having the flu? Hence only over 60's offered a flu jab. Whats the difference here?
I've got my 2nd shot in a couple of weeks, for AZ.
The first jab took me out for 24 hours, and had some lasting effects for 2-3 days. First night I woke up with a throbbing headache, and the morning felt like one of the worst hangovers I've ever had, although almost no arm pain at all. Then I had sporadic headaches for 2-3 days.
Hoping it's a case of only reacting badly to one of the shots i.e. you didn't react much to the 1st, therefore it kicked in the 2nd, so hopefully as I had it bad the 1st, I don't get it too awfully the 2nd.
Definitely going to pop a few paracetamol after my jab and before sleeping the 1st night, even if I don't feel much, just to avoid the possibility of feeling like I did last time.
I'm only guessing but because its a brand new disease there is zero immunity built through generations like influenza so everyone is completely open to infection without catching it or vaccination and even a very small amount of of serious cases of "the young" when every single person has zero immunity still equals a problem.
I might be totally wrong, but in 10/20 years when its a standard human infection immunity would of been built up naturally or through vaccination so then it will be just like the flu only the extremely vulnerable will have to get it once a year.
thats an educated guess at best though
Yeah like that makes sense, but flu or other coronavirus' have other strains that attack immune system every winter etc? Again, I'm lost.I'm only guessing but because its a brand new disease there is zero immunity built through generations like influenza so everyone is completely open to infection without catching it or vaccination and even a very small amount of of serious cases of "the young" when every single person has zero immunity still equals a problem.
I might be totally wrong, but in 10/20 years when its a standard human infection immunity would of been built up naturally or through vaccination so then it will be just like the flu only the extremely vulnerable will have to get it once a year.
thats an educated guess at best though
Jesus. Poor guy
Covid can kill and does kill young people. There’s also long covid. And even something which seems relatively trivial like the risk of having your sense of taste/smell permanently altered is a good enough reason to get a vaccine IMO.
Selfish reasons aside, the vaccines aren’t 100% effective so old/vulnerable people can be killed by covid despite being vaccinated. Plus not everyone is able to take the vaccine. If they’re severely immune compromised, or are allergic.
The higher the rate of vaccination in the population overall the lower the level of covid being passed around. So every individual who gets vaccinated is doing their bit to save lives.
That 'long covid'... I think I have it. I think a around a quarter of people have reported some symptoms that aren't even primarily symptoms anymore?
Again, Pogue, forgive me for being an idiot, but explain to me if old and vulnerable are vaccinated, why do 10-30 need to get jabbed.
Also, I've been sucked in by some Facebook rabbit hole.. etc. but I'm not shying away. I'm asking you guys.
See above re explanation. If covid is spreading like crazy amongst young people then it can still kill some old/vulnerable people who are vaccinated. As well as people who can’t get vaccinated for medical reasons. Vaccinating the young keeps levels down for everyone.
It does get tricky working out exactly how young we should vaccinate. In Israel they only vaccinated 16+ and that got levels so low that cases basically died out in U16s too.
Vaccination for all is to keep the viral load down for older people and the venerable? Is that it? Honestly, if I'm not getting it then I'm sorry.
It’s not really clear what you’re asking here. Why not flip it the other way and ask: why shouldn’t everyone get the vaccine?
Okay, Ive family in Russia whom have lost a close family friend to Covid and yet they don't want the Russian vaccine. What should I tell them? I can't tell them anything mate but a lot of post on VK and other social media are making convincing arguments as to why someone should not vaccinate themselves.
The more people vaccinated the lower the rate of transmission. The less people able to transmit the virus the less chance there is of those at risk coming into contact with people with the virus. In the opposite direction the fewer people vaccinated the higher the number of people able to transmit the virus and so the higher the risk of the vulnerable to catch the virus.
There will always be arguments for and against something, the challenge is weighing up the importance and veracity of those arguments. It’s hard to put forward an argument for the vaccine, beyond what is baked into the basic premise of vaccination, without knowing what the opposing arguments are, and what it is about them you find convincing.
Ultimately what makes them convincing is a set of beliefs and values underpinning your interpretation of them, and there’s no way to know what they are without you explaining them.
So what are the arguments against that you find convincing?
Don't younger people have natural antibodies though? If we build a herd immunity naturally, which is what UK gov were suggesting in the first place, then why do younger people need it now? Does inoculation mean lower viral load, transmission?
Mate, the argument is; everyone in my immediate family (30 people) mostly, middle aged, battled through Covid -- all but one had mild symptoms. The one died, though.
When in Russia, there is absolutely no social distancing, nothing.. In Bashkiria where a mayor of Ufa dies of Covid and then, then there is just nothing. Where Covid waves just seemed to "pass them by" then how does one explain as to why people should vaccinate?
You’re still not articulating the arguments against vaccination, though. You’re basically putting forth the argument that you don’t need to - which there’s room for discussion on, and I’m happy to pick up on - but why wouldn’t you want to? What are the reasons against?
It's a fools errand when I've already been bombarded with scare stories -- that is the truth. My mum is in her 50's and I told her not to get vaccinated because I'm worried for her. Good Lord, I don't care about crazy vaxxers shit or whatever. I just heard about blood clots and since we all had covid , I told her to refuse. She's my mother, man.
I never had an argument against vaccination. By all means... tell me.. It's just we all had Covid and now people are struggling.
@Rado_N @Brwned guys. just look my post count and the contents of those posts. I've stopped posting because it was affecting my mental health and it turned from being 'a bit mad in the current events forum' to completely serious and then I stopped. During those posts, not once did I try to peddle conspiracies or anything. Now, I'm just asking why do we all need a jab?
Watch the video, seriously, it’s not targeted at “crazy antivaxers” it’s talking about people with reservations for various reasons including the blood clot point.
The risk of that is enormously low, you’ve more chance of drowning in the bath.
If you’re worried about your family tell them to get vaccinated, and get it yourself.
Sorry.. Absolutely hanging.. Struggling to accept a vaccine. A Russian one for what its worth.
Yeah but how does one get people to get vaccinated when they've all had covid?
I live in NI. My mum lives in Cambridge and the rest live in Bashkiria. It's hard to do. Also, when one country has completely relaxed all rules -- there seems to be absolutely no trace of this virus, in this absolutely fecking horrific bog hole. You don't know where I come from lad, thankfully, and if you did, you'd realise that the health service is so bad, I just want to puke. Showing that video to me or to the rest of my family will not make us anti vaxxers etc.
If you have a vaccine that is 90% effective, and give it to all over 60s for example, then thats still 10% of over 60s not vaccinated. If you give it to noone else then they will spread Covid like wildfire, some of them will die, but they will also mixing with the over 60s exposing that 10% not effective to more and more of the virus.
In terms of your family you will have some form of immunity, but that won't last forever. It's not truly known how long yet, but we know people are now getting it for a second time so it's definitely not over a year. The risk is very low for vaccines and in your mothers age group is extremely low (a lot lower than the risks of getting covid).
Missing out younger people would mean that the more vulnerable are at greater risk from being infected due to passing it on and younger people do get seriously ill sometimes. A lot of the issue is due to overstretched hospitals rather than mortality rates - we are way behind normal healthcare due to all resources being used to treat people with covid and the more poople vaccinated, the less people in hospital.
BBC reporting "unvaccinated most at risk of Delta variant"
So this Covid is here to stay? I suspected as such but I never heard an official confirmation.
Mate if my granny, and she's the last one left, had two jabs: she fully inoculated -- so how can infect her?
Probably, unless there's an intensive worldwide vaccination program and will take a few years. It's possible, but we will see.
If she is fully vaccinated she is as safe as she can be, but she will have a booster at some stage to top-up her resistance to the virus and they will continue for as long as needed. It's the same with influenza and the annual flu vaccines.
What about an immune compromised 16 year old who cannot get the vaccine and relies on the rest of society to off them protection?
I had a vaccine a couple of weeks ago, I’m 34 and understand the minuscule risk the vaccine has to me, the moderate risk covid has to me and the responsibility I have to do my bit to help protect those who can’t protect themselves.
If you have a shred of common sense and a shred of empathy for others you get a jab in your arm and a day or so later forget it even happened.
I’m my opinion anyone who won’t do that is either incredibly ignorant, incredibly selfish or an absolute fecking wet blanket.
Same. And I know a few of them.