There's been a lot of undercounting all over the world.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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There's been a lot of undercounting all over the world.
I did say at the start of all this that a lockdown should have only included the vulnerable & old, let the young population go on pretty much as normal and all catch it early doors. However, not sure how great that would work due to healthcare workers and the like, would have been difficult to stop transmission to those who were shielding still.
That’s quite encouraging news.
Definitely. The one thing the poorest companies have in their favour, in common with India, is a very young population. While rich, elderly nations bicker about vaccines they could all reach herd immunity via the back door.
India coronavirus: How a group of volunteers 'exposed' hidden Covid-19 deaths
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-54985981
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-54985981
Very interesting read, thank you.
My cousin in Mumbai has been receiving covid patients (she passes them on to specialist hospitals, doesn't treat them) and says that the number of patients has been going down rapidly, pretty much in line with the data.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/
It's possible that the data has been underestimated throughout the pandemic, but the trend at least is consistent with what she has seen.
Good to hear.
Shock, horror, no shit no Sherlock.
(not aimed at you Tom, appreciate you brought this forward).India and Pakistan are useless for death recording, and even if they can record they will lie. It's in their DNA.
I'll give a simple example, my mum's sister passed away two weeks ago outside Islamabad (capital city). Apparently, she was rushed to the hospital but died at the gates, it was very likely a heart attack. Doctors rushed out of the hospital but declared she was gone and let the family take her straight home for burial. No checking for covid.
If this ignorance can occur in a large town, what about smaller ones and villages? India are getting herd immunity in exactly the same way as the UK are. With lots of deaths.
Even when the EU is clearly trying to stop vaccinations going elsewhere because they have been caught out with their own politics, you still have people trying to defend them. Just admit the EU can get things wrong, and like any other organisation, will do things to suit themselves? Is that too hard?
The UK government did many things wrong, but I standby no matter who was in power similar mistakes would have been made, or others would have been highlighted by mainstream media. It’s how politics always works.
Can someone explain why they vaccine is being blocked to ni?
It isn’t. That’s the press (and the DUP) jumping all over the worst case scenario. The EU are threatening to tighten up controls about exporting vaccines out of the EU. This can theoretically reduce supplies into the UK as a whole. It could also (even more theoretically) involve tightening up of the Irish border. The latter scenario is particularly unlikely because no vaccines are shipped across that border.
Bit of a dick move to invoke article 16 all the same. Thankfully they’re doing a Tory style u-turn. They’re all the rage these days.
It was actually BBC quoting Boris that I seen. Thanks for the explanation
I'm sure the trend is correct. I was just wondering how India had 150k deaths vs 100k in the UK if infections have been so widespread.
Reporting or age profile of the population or season/weather or a combination maybe?
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Interesting article about the varying immune responses and some research being done in AU.
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...owing-coronavirus-and-its-startling-discovery
Interesting article about the varying immune responses and some research being done in AU.
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...owing-coronavirus-and-its-startling-discovery
Is the light at the end of the tunnel getting a bit brighter?
I bloody well hope so.
We might get back a semblance of normality soon
Large parts of Western Australia have gone into a 5 day hard lockdown after the first case of community transmission in 10 months. A quarantine worker has tested positive (probably with the UK variant).
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.9news.com.au/article/c1393ff5-bc29-492b-b4de-61eb4e4065bb
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.9news.com.au/article/c1393ff5-bc29-492b-b4de-61eb4e4065bb
I wonder if its in any way linked to our recent 3 case community outbreak. I dont know if Perth is accepting flights from NZ or if there has been a connecting flight from Brisbane to Perth. Will be interesting to see where the origin is from.
Perth and basically all of Western Australia has been put into a 5 day COVID full lockdown because a hotel quarantine worker caught the UK strain from a returning traveler.
People cannot travel between the WA regions and police checkpoints will be set up everywhere.
If people are to leave their house for ANY reason at all, mandatory masks in effect.
https://www.watoday.com.au/national...sts-positive-to-covid-19-20210131-p56y8a.html
looks like i will be WFH tomorrow.
People cannot travel between the WA regions and police checkpoints will be set up everywhere.
If people are to leave their house for ANY reason at all, mandatory masks in effect.
https://www.watoday.com.au/national...sts-positive-to-covid-19-20210131-p56y8a.html
looks like i will be WFH tomorrow.
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I suspect it was a direct import from the UK. Last time I looked it hadn't been confirmed as the UK variant but the variant was in the hotel in question. The worry is that he was a guard so had no direct contact with infected guests. He also lives in a share house with others in their 20's,
so as a network could potentially have spread it far and wide. He is also an UBER driver although it isn't clear how many shifts he has done, if any, when infectious.
Fingers crossed the 5 day hard lockdown from 6pm today is enough. If not I hope WA's contact tracing is up to the task as they haven't had the experience, and thus developed the expertise, of NSW and now Victoria.
Hopefully 5 days will be enough and WA can return to normal.
early report was that his housemates had not tested positive at this stage, so he may be a poor transmitter of the virus like the QLD case. But if it is the UK strain and he was in high-pop areas. Best solution was a harsh and rapid lockdown.
Fingers crossed. It also may be his housemates will test positive soon.
The good thing is that he is young and reported as soon as he had symptoms. The suspicion is that most people with no or low level symptoms tend not to be super-spreaders.
How accurate is that nhs covid app?
Its just pinged this morning saying I've been in contact with somebody that has covid and need to isolate for 8 days.
I've only been to work, the same people I've worked with for the whole pandemic with no issue.
Its just pinged this morning saying I've been in contact with somebody that has covid and need to isolate for 8 days.
I've only been to work, the same people I've worked with for the whole pandemic with no issue.
It should be accurate in the sense that it means you've been near someone who has tested positive. It might be worth asking the people you work with and if nobody has it there it's likely to be from being next to someone in a supermarket or similar.
I can't figure out where it came from at all, I've not been to the shop since last Monday and it was near empty as I went late on. I only saw the alert this morning too. Plus at the shop I wasn't stood next to anyone for an extended period, even queing up was quick.
If it was at work then 20+ others would have got the message too as we all work in close proximity but nobody else it seems to have had the alert.
Honestly I've no clue where its got me.
A friend of mine had the same happen to her. Pinged out of the blue saying isolate - the date it gave was on a day when she couldn’t think even being close to someone. She only went to Costa on that day and her daughter who she was with didn’t get notified to isolate and hasn’t tested positive. Then 4 days after she was told to isolate she had COVID symptoms and was confirmed to have it the following day.
That does seem odd. The way the app works is to pickup the bluetooth signal from other phones around it and if you are in "close contact" for a few minutes to somebody who later tests positive. The time period used to be 15 minutes but may have changed.
Bluetooth is bad at measuring distances though due to the differences in hardware / phones so maybe somebody in the shop has tested positive and your phone was picking up the signal from their phone for the whole visit.
You should isolate if you can though as it may be a false reading in the app but you never know.
I’ve just rung a mate up and he has the same message on his phone app so we’re isolating, the bullshit thing is the rest of the office will be in our situation if they had the app yet they’ll still have to go in and continue to mix
It just makes a mockery of the whole situation. but hey a nice free week off for me so can’t complain.
It just makes a mockery of the whole situation. but hey a nice free week off for me so can’t complain.
If they dont have the app , test and trace will contact them via phone etc , as whoever it is will have given details to them of who they work with etc .
Out of interest , when we tested positive at our house , both our neighbours were pinged saying they had to self isolate , even though we had been nowhere near them . I called test and trace , and so did they . test and trace have been aware bluetooth can work through walls , but still had to self isolate in any case
Captain Moore is in hospital with coronavirus.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-55881508
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-55881508
feck Covid.
Come on Sir Tom. All the best
Awful news. Thoughts are with him.
No more positives today although of course there may be people infected who won't produce a positive test for a few days yet. By this afternoon all 66 of his close contacts will be in quarantine hotels (slightly ironically).