Depending when he got infected vs when he was vaccinated it might lessen his symptoms though.
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Depending when he got infected vs when he was vaccinated it might lessen his symptoms though.
On top of that back in April I had to cue for an hour to get into supermarkets. Now they just let you straight in.
Don't see how it will. Its no coincidence things have got gradually worse since September
I fear this is going to be a tough 2 weeks
Gradually worse when schools reopened in September. Dramatically worse when they closed in December. The connection isn’t that obvious. Although I agree it makes sense to defer opening while things are as crazy as they are now. Definitely colleges and secondary schools anyway.
Don't have the time to read all that but is Sweden as fecked as we are atm?
But schools have only been closed two weeks. Surely that would only begin to be seen in data now?
Which has very unusual circumstances, Xmas day, ny etc. Massive gatherings that are out of the normal.
A Xmas rise was inevitable wasn't it? I don't think it argues against the quite obvious rise since schools went back.
But I would defer to your knowledge of the subject
You’d think so, right? Hence it makes sense to push out their start until tomorrow week (which is the plan in Ireland) There’s such an insane upwards curve right now it would be great if they take the edge off things in the next few days. I’m not too hopeful though.
I’m just speculating like you. To me, the surge looks to be more related to non-school stuff like crowded shops, bars, restaurants and people drinking and hanging out together. That’s what the timing fits best of all. In Ireland we got cases under control before half term by closing hospitality etc. As soon as that decision was reversed cases went bonkers again.
I also wonder if the news about vaccines was a big factor. The virus suddenly felt less of a worry when we heard about vaccines. And that surely influenced behaviour.
Having said all that, if schools are open when the virus is as rampant as it is now, there’s a good chance they’ll throw fuel on the fire. Especially with older kids.
At a minimum. I would say any benefit to schools being closed the last two weeks will be outweighed by mixing at Christmas in all likelihood when we start to see those cases being reflected.
I’d attribute that to panic buying and knowing very little about the transmission of the virus.
For those that are interested, UK’s surveillance reports for the final week of 2020 have been updated:
https://assets.publishing.service.g...948638/Weekly_Flu_and_COVID-19_report_w53.pdf
https://assets.publishing.service.g...-19_and_Influenza_Surveillance_Graphs_w53.pdf
https://assets.publishing.service.g...948638/Weekly_Flu_and_COVID-19_report_w53.pdf
https://assets.publishing.service.g...-19_and_Influenza_Surveillance_Graphs_w53.pdf
Depends on the criteria for national lockdown. Tier 4 is pretty much shut down except essential shops and schools. Maybe national lockdown would close schools too.
It is starting to look that way.
Rrgarding schools, I was saying in this very thread back in May/June that they should invest to ensure every child has access to remote leaning. As it stands if they go to remote learning now, there will be an unacceptably high number of kids without laptops or other hardware capable of accessing online leaning.
Yes, I think we agree that the reason is desperation and the UK government not "following the science" yet again.
"Immunised" is not 100% is it. The vaccine is ~95% effective when delivered in 2-3wk interval (depending on manufacturer).
There is zero data on how much immunisation will be provided if we spread this out to 12 week gaps. It is a desperate and risky change, onky happening in the UK, moving away from the vaccine manufacturer recommendations.
Hope you recover well. Liposomal vitamin C and Zinc supplements may help.
Isn't he more likely to test positive because he had the vaccine?
No I have a niece that works in a supermarket and they are letting in almost twice as many customers in now as they were back then.
And teachers, teaching assistants and school office staff.
I assume you’re referring to just the Pfizer vaccine, and not the AstraZeneca one?
You won't test positive due to being given the vaccine. It will trigger the production of antibodies and memory cells but not infect you with the virus.
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That might be because the government changed the 2m rule to 1m
Day 2 of compulsory mask wearing in NSW in an attempt to get rid of the latest outbreak without massively increasing more economically damaging measures and feckwits are protesting about their freedom already.
Cheers. Is that assuming it is a PCR test rather than an antibody test?
I've looked into Pfizer as that is what my in laws have received. Is there data on 12wk gaps with the AZ vaccine?
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32661-1/fulltext
60.3% efficacy with a 12 week gap, considering the large percentage of the population will receive the AstraZeneca vaccine, and with supply hitting critical mass in 12 weeks, the decision by the JCVI to prioritise the first shot roll out to assist in the hospital pressures the right one. Which will have a greater impact than any lockdown that people want to talk about.
The Pfizer one is an unknown, however the JCVI wouldn’t have started conversations on single dose administration back in July, if they didn’t have a degree in confidence of its efficacy.
Yes
On a related note I came across a loon on FB claiming that covid doesn't exist because the PCR doesn't provide a measure of viral load or some such nonsense.
Pfizer is what my wife got.
Get well soon fella
Boris consulted Anders Tegnell on current policy after the lockdowns. He masterminded the Sweden response.
Comparing Sweden with their neighbours, well they fecked up. Their own king admitted as much.
Here's a chart on excess mortality comparing between Sweden and Norway although they are only until July.
https://www.efta.int/Publications/news/COVID-19-Excess-Mortality-Selected-European-Countries-521261#:~:text=Sweden, as a country that,the average of 2016 – 2019.
Alternatively, you can custom the chart in the link below to compare Sweden with England & Wales which has data up to Dec 20.
https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/...ntry=DEU~NOR~SWE~England & Wales®ion=World
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Oh shit. Sorry to hear that. Please take care.
Thanks fellas.
Personally I think the home learning provisions provided by my local primary school have been shocking.
My son's class was shut down in match April may, obviously, but also in November due to someone in the class testing positive.
November was somewhat improved, but still a long way away from the type of learning the local private primary school is/was getting.
There will no doubt be a generation of kids who are left behind compared to privately educated students
Don't worry too much if you can help it. Private education is more about better facilities and networking than good education. And primary school is mostly about social interaction which they can easily catch up later.
Try supplementing what your school give you with https://www.khanacademy.org/ which has some brilliant resources.
Hard to do when I'm working.
And yes of course private is going to be better in some ways, but usually it's "very good" vs "good". Not "very good" vs "nothing"
Also... Social interaction?
That's simply not true, kids have windows where stuff can be absorbed like sponges (both educationally and socially), once the times past they can't get it back.
Social competence is one of the key skills of life as an adult, school is where you learn that.