SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

golden_blunder said:
Look I agree with you, despite a brilliant set of structures put in place at my sons school but despite that, we still had 3 outbreaks just before Christmas. I would rather there is a definitive solution rather than bitty solutions, that can’t help anyone with uncertainty.
However I get the argument about a percentage of kids relying on the school meals and safety (though that also speaks to government failings in other ways).
So I’d propose the compromise
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The schools must have a good idea who are vulnerable, so can they just bring them in? The kids of people who can work at home stay at home. Is the voucher system still there for kids to get meals if out of school.
 
Tibs said:
Are things going to get better without further action? No.

Shall we take that action now, or when they get even worse? Let's wait for them to get worse.
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BJ actually contradicts himself in that video snippet, which is impressive as he's only answering two questions!
He mentions that they are waiting til the tier 4 numbers and the assessment of tier 4 comes in before making any announcement before going on to say that they will be definitely making further announcements in due course.
So are they waiting or not? It's the indecisiveness that's causing the biggest issue here.
 
Schools should have run a risk assessment of families and then evaluated which students should be in school.
 
RonaldoVII said:
Is there any difference between Tier 4 and "Lockdown" other than schools remaining open?

I've been fairly tight with the restrictions since March so makes no odds to me. I doubt a March style lockdown would have the same effect as too many people don't seem to care anymore.
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Mainly more people working in Tier 4 than March.

Government don't want another huge furlough scheme to pay most of the work force to stay home. If South East cases are replicated across the UK we might not have a choice. The case map is spreading wider and wider each few days.

If they did close more work places and schools it would feel very similar to Mar/Apr still.
 
Relevated said:
Heres the thing, when both opinions seem valid but both sides are kicking a fuss because they want to be right. Thats where the problem lies, many people just want to be proven right.
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In this case I think people are motivated by a desire to protect themselves, their families and their neighbours (medically, economically and socially) more than any desire to be proven right. Most people participating in the discussion are genuinely worried about the negative outcomes of people doing something other than that they think is best. Mostly that and a little bitterness along the lines of "why are they taking away my freedom to do the things I value to protect their freedom to do the things they value". Winning the argument in this instance matters less, from what I can see.
 
We should have a hard, prolonged, nationwide shutdown. Like Jeremy cnut has just said (can't believe I'm ever agreeing with that dickhead!) but we need to close borders, close schools and look as re-prioritising of the vaccinations in regards to the medically vulnerable due to the obvious, NHS workers due to their consistent potential exposure and then school staff with a view to re-opening schools once a viable percentage of staff have been vaccinated.

Keep them open for vulnerable kids / kids of front line staff as per the first lock-down with a skeleton staff - cancel the HS2 as the massive luxury that it is in this current economic climate and use the billions there for vouchers for every kid in the country to get a laptop and get broadband rolled out across the country (they should have been doing this since the first lockdown IMO).
 
Champ said:
BJ actually contradicts himself in that video snippet, which is impressive as he's only answering two questions!
He mentions that they are waiting til the tier 4 numbers and the assessment of tier 4 comes in before making any announcement before going on to say that they will be definitely making further announcements in due course.
So are they waiting or not? It's the indecisiveness that's causing the biggest issue here.
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From the interview yesterday his position seemed to be that in the areas that are struggling already with the current restrictions - where the more contagious strain is dominant / mostly the South East - new restrictions are guaranteed, while they're waiting on data for other tier 4 areas to see if tighter restrictions need to be in there too. The plan is pretty straightforward but it is absurd that we're still saying "his position seemed to be" about the country's leader at this stage.

I understand that some governments are better at some things and worse at others, but if you're forced to do what you're worst at over and over again - in their guess, clearly communicate difficult decisions - you'd think they would get better at it over time. I haven't noticed any change in nearly a year.
 
I know it can often be hard to get back into the swing of work after Xmas, but is anyone else struggling to find motivation right now?
 
groovyalbert said:
I know it can often be hard to get back into the swing of work after Xmas, but is anyone else struggling to find motivation right now?
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Man, I'm the most unproductive I've ever been. Struggling to be bothered to even reply to some basic work emails. It all seems a little bit pointless.
 
Jacko21 said:
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This is a complete contrast to what he said on Andrew Marr only yesterday.

This is what happens when you vote someone in because they make you laugh. We need someone assertive who will make strong, consistent decisions and not an empty promises people pleaser.

A chimpanzee could do a better job than him, why are people sitting back and accepting this.

I keep hearing and reading the "Now is not the time to bash the government" well when will be the time. Also the "No one could've handled this better". That is absolute bullshit.
 
groovyalbert said:
I know it can often be hard to get back into the swing of work after Xmas, but is anyone else struggling to find motivation right now?
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100%. I’d started mostly home working just before the pandemic and I was as productive as ever in November, but right now it’s just not there.
 
Scotland doing what Boris should be doing.
 
groovyalbert said:
I know it can often be hard to get back into the swing of work after Xmas, but is anyone else struggling to find motivation right now?
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Yeah I've done shit all this morning. Previously it was "just get through to Christmas" but now things are back to bleak and very little to lift spirits and look forward to.
 
Lennon7 said:
With situations like in S.A. surely the best thing to do is completely lock down the borders? No one in or out
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And what about those that have to travel?

My fiance is due to fly in on the 10th. She has a fiance visa which is one with an expiration date, she has had to quit her job, moved home (different country) for a bit to see her family so it's not like she can just stay where she is and work.

This idea of nobody in or out is ridiculous. Countries which have done well with lockdowns have kept borders open but actually managed how people come. negative tests before they fly and institutional qurantine. Banning people because the government is too stupid and lazy to implement is unfair.

Also in March etc. they weren't closed during the 'proper' lockdown
 
I know kids are not at risk of symptoms or having it severe but they put the older population at risk. I'm coming back off the other side of it, after catching it from a housemate who is a school teacher. When speaking to the tracers, they said a huge amount of people they are speaking to are parents who potentially caught it off their children.
 
LARulz said:
And what about those that have to travel?

My fiance is due to fly in on the 10th. She has a fiance visa which is one with an expiration date, she has had to quit her job, moved home (different country) for a bit to see her family so it's not like she can just stay where she is and work.

This idea of nobody in or out is ridiculous. Countries which have done well with lockdowns have kept borders open but actually managed how people come. negative tests before they fly and institutional qurantine. Banning people because the government is too stupid and lazy to implement is unfair.

Also in March etc. they weren't closed during the 'proper' lockdown
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I’m sorry but there’s no good enough excuse for individuals having to travel. It can be heartbreaking but the risk of a new strain that the vaccines could potentially not deal with is enormous. Tens of thousands of people could die, again, if it gets out.

There’s been a new strain in the UK and we haven’t taken it seriously enough. We’ll see how that turns out.
 
Imagine if the government actually put into place a nationwide lockdown in the next couple of days and didn't wait till at least next week? I think I'd genuinely collapse from shock.
 
LARulz said:
And what about those that have to travel?

My fiance is due to fly in on the 10th. She has a fiance visa which is one with an expiration date, she has had to quit her job, moved home (different country) for a bit to see her family so it's not like she can just stay where she is and work.

This idea of nobody in or out is ridiculous. Countries which have done well with lockdowns have kept borders open but actually managed how people come. negative tests before they fly and institutional qurantine. Banning people because the government is too stupid and lazy to implement is unfair.

Also in March etc. they weren't closed during the 'proper' lockdown
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They won't stop you but its to you to decide if its essential or not.
 
LARulz said:
And what about those that have to travel?

My fiance is due to fly in on the 10th. She has a fiance visa which is one with an expiration date, she has had to quit her job, moved home (different country) for a bit to see her family so it's not like she can just stay where she is and work.

This idea of nobody in or out is ridiculous. Countries which have done well with lockdowns have kept borders open but actually managed how people come. negative tests before they fly and institutional qurantine. Banning people because the government is too stupid and lazy to implement is unfair.

Also in March etc. they weren't closed during the 'proper' lockdown
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The issue with people calling for borders to be closed is that they have no life or family outside of the UK. They don't know anything beyond the island.
 
Lennon7 said:
I’m sorry but there’s no good enough excuse for individuals having to travel. It can be heartbreaking but the risk of a new strain that the vaccines could potentially not deal with is enormous. Tens of thousands of people could die, again, if it gets out.

There’s been a new strain in the UK and we haven’t taken it seriously enough. We’ll see how that turns out.
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No good excuse? People not being able to see their loved ones if they are sick, being stranded abroad, losing their jobs or getting thrown out of their education?

I'm sorry, but there are plenty of reasons. If you can't see how doing what more successful countries in lockdown's have done then that is silly. UK never shut its borders, fine, but they never did any requirements to enter. Almost all lockdown success countries kept travel restricted, not closed. You don't enter without a PCR test, you do one at the airport, you stay at a government hotel during quarantine etc. If people who are willing to travel with all these checks (at their expense), I can guarantee you their travel is essential
 
Relevated said:
The issue with people calling for borders to be closed is that they have no life or family outside of the UK. They don't know anything beyond the island.
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Yeah I know which is why I try not to get too angry at that scenario. It's very much a case of 'it doesn't affect me so who cares -its not my problem'. If these people lost jobs, couldn't see a dying loved one or whatever, I am pretty sure they'd do a full 180.

People keep saying lockdown worked on March etc. I agree. But they should also remember borders remained open then too. UK's problem is they don't do any checks coming in, which is something they should do though I believe
 


This has been something that has baffled me since this all started. What are the reasons why they haven't done this, or even banned people coming from certain countries coming in? Is there a government position on this?
 
Boris on TV tonight at 8pm, probably to announce a 3 week lockdown
 
groovyalbert said:
I know it can often be hard to get back into the swing of work after Xmas, but is anyone else struggling to find motivation right now?
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Yeah, really struggling today. I've tried to get bits and bobs done through the day, but I know as soon as there is a lockdown I'll be on the phone most of the day, everyday.
 
Relevated said:
The issue with people calling for borders to be closed is that they have no life or family outside of the UK. They don't know anything beyond the island.
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Bit of a wild generalisation that. Really wild actually. Just because plenty of people want borders closed for a bit doesn't mean they're little England loving no passport having morons, which is what it seems you're implying.
 
groovyalbert said:
I know it can often be hard to get back into the swing of work after Xmas, but is anyone else struggling to find motivation right now?
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MikeUpNorth said:
Man, I'm the most unproductive I've ever been. Struggling to be bothered to even reply to some basic work emails. It all seems a little bit pointless.
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Pogue Mahone said:
Yeah, me too. I get the impression everyone else is the same. Definitely a lot less “basic work emails” flying around than usual.
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Brwned said:
100%. I’d started mostly home working just before the pandemic and I was as productive as ever in November, but right now it’s just not there.
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Same, ive been really unproductive, Im feeling very nihilistic about it all right now, firmly in the "we are all fecked as long as these clowns are in charge so whats the point in it all"
 
groovyalbert said:
I know it can often be hard to get back into the swing of work after Xmas, but is anyone else struggling to find motivation right now?
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Yep. I clocked off midday as simply couldn’t get a thing done. This working from home stuff is really getting challenging now, particularly as it’s now my busiest time of the year
 
Judas said:
Bit of a wild generalisation that. Really wild actually. Just because plenty of people want borders closed for a bit doesn't mean they're little England loving no passport having morons, which is what it seems you're implying.
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People who want borders shut are generally (from my experience) not seeing the middle ground (institution quarantine, negative tests, ban tourist visa's) and the idea people genuinely have to travel

Again, the countries which did lockdown well still allowed people in/out. the just made sure they were safe to do so and weren't coming for a tourist trip.
 
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