Well, yeah, that’s just commonsense to most people
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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She's not a moron, she's a cynic, pandering to her audience's prejudices for money. Makes her worse, IMO.
Her and Ross Clark went to Cambridge, can you believe it.
25x the capacity of Old Trafford have died from this in the world. If you have ever been to Old Trafford you know how sad that actually is.
Safe to say she’s definitely got it then2500 people participated to a rave party in Brittany.
Yeah, I still think the most likely outcome is that we all end up getting it. Probably multiple times. This disease is a real fecker.Our positivity rate is horrendous. Been <2% for most of the year but 17.6% today. Apparently >50% in some centres. We’re in deep deep shit by every metric. Can’t fecking believe the vaccine procurement/roll-out is shambolic on top of all this. Think this might actually be the most depressed I’ve felt about the pandemic. Just when we were supposed to be seeing light at the end of the tunnel too
I completely understand your sentiment Pogue and I think we all know it will get far worse before it gets better.. Thank god for the rapid development of these vaccines. God alone only knows where this would be without them.Our positivity rate is horrendous. Been <2% for most of the year but 17.6% today. Apparently >50% in some centres. We’re in deep deep shit by every metric. Can’t fecking believe the vaccine procurement/roll-out is shambolic on top of all this. Think this might actually be the most depressed I’ve felt about the pandemic. Just when we were supposed to be seeing light at the end of the tunnel too
Where do you think things have failed in the countries that were performing well (or at least better than most)?
Do you think governments policies have contributed more to rising cases or do you think the behaviour of a minority in each populace has been more damaging?
It's not only fear, every person locked up wasn't staying there just because they'd go to jail.
Anyway I'd argue that right now they're far more free than people in any country outside a handful (vietnam, nz, etc), freedom isn't words on a paper, it has to mean something practically, and agonizing about meeting your friends and family is not what free people do.
Chin up soldier. It's darkest before the light. Just a few more months to the promised land. (No, not that promised land. I meant vaccines having an effect and winter ending. )Our positivity rate is horrendous. Been <2% for most of the year but 17.6% today. Apparently >50% in some centres. We’re in deep deep shit by every metric. Can’t fecking believe the vaccine procurement/roll-out is shambolic on top of all this. Think this might actually be the most depressed I’ve felt about the pandemic. Just when we were supposed to be seeing light at the end of the tunnel too
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So in the UK the positive cases have gone up by over 35% in the last week when test8ng has gone down by over 15%.
Yet schools and workplaces will stay open...
Yet schools and workplaces will stay open...
I find this very worrying
England health officials defend contingency plan to mix Covid vaccines
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...defend-contingency-plan-to-mix-covid-vaccines
England health officials defend contingency plan to mix Covid vaccines
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...defend-contingency-plan-to-mix-covid-vaccines
Can someone correct me or fill in the blanks for me please. Someone offline has told me Boris has in an effort to speed up the vaccine process delayed the second dose in favour of giving more people doses now and in turn the vaccine manufacturer has said it cant promise the effectiveness of the vaccine. Is this true or has the person I have been speaking to got a bunch of info incorrect
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This article may help... at best it seems unethical. At worst it may impact the effectiveness of the vaccine.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/covid-vaccine-doses-pfizer-fauci-b1781455.html
Kids do get sick a lot during the flu season..
Has the % of kids out of the total daily confirmed cases has risen sharply compared to previous months ?
Has the % of kids out of the total daily confirmed cases has risen sharply compared to previous months ?
At best - he's going to get a lot more people vaccinated quickly.
I'm not exactly fan of the ethics side of it, but I think we should make sure that gets said
Its a fecking gamble. Nothing scientific in this change of plans and push further the agenda of the people that say that corners had been cut to get the vaccines. Because "if they do this at day broadlight, you can only imagine what the Big Pharma do in the shadows" . I am convinced to take the vaccines even after that, but I definitely don't like it because it plants a seed of doubt
Absolute idiots. Reading that this morning made me not want to leave my house at a for a hit. Apparently it was going since New Year's Eve. Thankfully I'm very far West from that, but wouldn't surprised if people had made the journey.2500 people participated to a rave party in Brittany.
but that is just theoretical. what if after months of the first dose the immunity of those vaccinated fades away? it can go well, but it can go very badly because there is not data whatsoever. Is basically playing red or black in a roulette. A gamble
if most of the vaccines they opt for 2 doses is because they feel the necessity to reinforce the first
I did watch this and the case being put forward by the doctor, however the efficacy of the pfizer vaccine after the first dose is only around 52% and it's unclear how long that protection would last anyway. Studies have shown that the second dose gives the immune system major long term boost. With an efficacy of around 95%. Data published in The Lancet in early December showed the Oxford/Astrazenica vaccine was 62 per cent effective in preventing Covid-19 at 22 days following the first dose. If the supply of the Oxford vaccine isn't a problem I cant see why we would need to go down this route. If there was a shortage of the vaccine, then yes there is a strong case for considering this option. I think the big problem will be the logistics of delivering a mass vaccination programme under this incompetent Government.
There was such an incredible effort to get these vaccines made, tested and approved and now it seems that we’re just playing fast and loose with the data to jab more people quicker. It might work but pretty much everything that’s happened in this pandemic tell me it’s going to be a massive clusterf*%k
I wasn't sure on the numbers.
If its only 52% then it is a weird call.
If the efficacy after 1 shot was ~80% then I guess a case could be made about having 200 people on 80% effective vaccine over 100 people on 90+ % .. its a lot harder to justify if the gap is that high though..
Also, I have no idea how this works.. is there any way to flush it out and give a proper 2 doze vaccine at a later date when there is plenty in stock? It sounds silly and I suspect that is not how it works.. but I have no idea.
Right now, when no one has any protection, giving as many people some protection sounds good.. but that's pretty short term thinking and if that cant be fixed later, you end up with the highest risk people having the least effective vaccination.
I mean, the average person will get the vaccine when there is plenty in stock.. that person ends up with a doze that is likely 90% effective in preventing serious illness.
If spacing out the dozes longer than the tested 3 weeks means the overall effectiveness is less than ideal (say ~70%) , wouldnt it be bad if a year on, the older people and the doctors who are at the highest risk have a less effective vaccine than the low risk people?
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That can't be good.
Looking at the effort it is taking here to contain and hopefully eradicate under 200 cases over a couple of weeks you can see how easily track and trace can be overwhelmed.
I don't think that is a proper characterisation of what is happening at all. The aim is to provide the maximum overall protection and since safety of the vaccines isn't an issue it seems sensible.
Considering this and all the other problems facing vaccination programs, it would make a lot of sense to move directly into the strictest form of lockdown for an eight week period. A March-style lockdown, not the half-measures and tiered nonsense of the past nine months. It seems like this is a crucial window in completely eradicating this virus as a pandemic threat rather than something still dangerous but much less ubiquitous. A lockdown will decrease transmission enormously, if strictly imposed (like March), which window will allow for immune levels to gradually increase. I don't see why governments would take any chances considering the implications of new and potentially much more contagious and even more lethal variants which might not be covered by specific vaccination regimens. All will have been for nothing if the next couple of months is fecked up.
I actually do not think that is so surprising as between the holidays there is less tests and only that that really have to or have symptoms get tested. I guess (I do not know) you can see the same trend elsewhere, too - especially here in Germany where life is usually nearly halted in between the days between Christmas and New Year - especially with the surrounding weekends.
In addition to the lockdowns even in "normal years" a lot people have the whole Xmas eve day and New Years Eve day off + the full holidays on 1st Xmas day, Boxing day, New Years Day and Three King's Day on January 6th.
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They should go full lock down at the same time.
I'd assume (possibly naively) that they have done the calculations and done what works best with the supply them have.
The editor of the British Medical Journal has asked the New York Times to correct an article that claims UK guidelines allow two Covid-19 vaccines to be mixed.
Ms Godlee said the paper's report was "seriously misleading and requires urgent correction".
She said the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) does not make any recommendation to mix and match.
Coronavirus: BMJ urges NYT to correct vaccine 'mixing' article https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55519042
Ms Godlee said the paper's report was "seriously misleading and requires urgent correction".
She said the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) does not make any recommendation to mix and match.
Coronavirus: BMJ urges NYT to correct vaccine 'mixing' article https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55519042
This % of positive tests is a bit of a shoddy statistic if you ask me.
For example in March/April when only testing those hospitalised, the % of positive tests would have been very high. If you’d had widespread community testing then the % would have been much lower, even with a similar number of positive cases.
Clearly it does show cases are rising generically but not much more then that.
For example in March/April when only testing those hospitalised, the % of positive tests would have been very high. If you’d had widespread community testing then the % would have been much lower, even with a similar number of positive cases.
Clearly it does show cases are rising generically but not much more then that.
The NYT is a highly partisan paper that takes a dim view of the UK as they believe it is representative of a political ideology opposed to the one they espouse. It’s a shame that they claim the policy that they have misrepresented could cause vaccine scepticism when in fact that’s exactly what they’re doing with this politically motivated hit job.
Boris confirms on Andrew Marr show that tougher restrictions are on the way.
He wouldn't say what they would be, but in the discussion reference was made to March restrictions (no household mixing, 1hr exercise, schools closed)
He wouldn't say what they would be, but in the discussion reference was made to March restrictions (no household mixing, 1hr exercise, schools closed)
Right... But they aren't comparing December to march.
They are comparing December to December