That seems pretty consistent and believable to me. It is highly unlikely that the prevalence goes from 28% to 62% (or whatever the numbers were in the slide) in a month by chance only.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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Hope you feel better soon.
My dad was due to go in for a hernia operation two weeks ago, isolated for a few days and took a covid test all ok and hospital cancelled his appointment. A week later same process but this time tested positive, thankfully no symptoms at the moment. My mum got a test as soon as they found out but hers has come back negative much to our surprise.
I suppose reduce the risk etc but I agree with you - we’re seeing 1 other family on Christmas Day. If they have COVID or we have it - then we will pass it on - 1 more day makes no real difference?
I laughed
Nobody is saying there is no mutation. There undoubtedly is.
The government got the Christmas rules totally wrong and just 3 days ago were digging their heels in. Now they have realised the mistake and need an excuse to backtrack and pass blame when it all goes wrong. This new variant is exactly that.
It will be talked up to be incredibly dangerous over the next few days, despite the scientists themselves saying they dont know how dangerous it is yet.
I assume, based on not much, it’ll put people off making long journeys for single day and less people from different regions will be taking it to areas with lower case numbers
He will no doubt carry on regardless , whether his guests will I don`t know as I don`t know them . I will also carry on as planned spending Christmas with my son as my wife is working christmas eve , christmas day , boxing day and the day after , will pop and see my mother and father in law as I have done every day since March , they have been isolating since then as he is 80 with alzheimers . Even though in Anglesey we are at around 35 per 100 000 and only 70 000 people live in Anglesey.
Something has changed in the last few days and spooked the government though. No way does Boris get up in the House of Commons last week to accuse Starmer of ‘wanting to cancel Christmas’ unless he was pretty damn sure he wouldn’t be forced to cancel Christmas.
I agree with all that. And of course agree the government are dishonestly going to use the new strain as a political cover up of their incompetence.
I don’t think I’ve ever said that isn’t true though.
On your last point about it being more dangerous. I slightly disagree. Yes it might not be more lethal. But it’s evidentially more transmissible. Which in itself is dangerous because of the downstream impact on capacity and care.
I mean there's a litany of times he promised not to do something he immediately did during this pandemic, so I'd suspect it's more likely the man is just incompetent.
So we have gone from the North being unfairly targeted because of politics, to the new strain not being real. 
Bloody tory's am I right guys
Bloody tory's am I right guysCompared to who exactly?
Most likely the curve on slide 4. We've not seen anything like that since the data was tracked, which suggests it could be a rate similar to what we saw in March.
Perhaps a better question is which world leaders he compares favourably too, it's a pretty short list.
Do you know some other Boris the rest of us don’t?!
You know that isn't true, right? The ones who implemented more severe restrictions were in a more severe situation, which had been building up over a longer period. It is not at all uncommon across the world to try and allow for families to connect during this time, or special holidays at other points in the year.
I know one beginning with the letter T and ending in Rump that he reminds me of.
Wales has also decided to introduce a new lockdown today and Christmas restrictions. Scotland will also amend rules.
I think it’s safe to say the situation has shifted over the past few days.
Sturgeon needs to feck right off.
For me, it is more the inept leadership, lax messaging (which leads to more deaths) and complete U turns impacting peoples plans which is annoying. It was entirely predictable.
Other than the original 80% furlough scheme, I can't think of a single covid response from the UK government which hasn't been incorrect, too late or later u- turned on.
So on Wednesday he says people can have a Christmas and now we can't. But he also says things will be fine by Easter. You're a liar Boris, feck off, how can anyone remotely trust a thing this idiot and Government tells us? The rules change every other fecking day.
I'm not even too annoyed because i'm lucky to be in a Tier 1 county, but holy feck is this Government making such a fecking ballsup of this. Treating the general public like fecking children. Just tell us straight you planks.
I'm not even too annoyed because i'm lucky to be in a Tier 1 county, but holy feck is this Government making such a fecking ballsup of this. Treating the general public like fecking children. Just tell us straight you planks.
That's our Christmas plans in tatters but I guess it can't be helped. i do wonder how many people will abide by this though. I'm definitely more in the camp of keeping safe but I really do understand people's frustration and anger.
The whole situation is very dynamic, it's not that hard to understand.
Will fans still be allowed at Anfield?
Dynamic.
The message/instruction was obviously wrong from the very start. You cannot ease lockdown from December 2nd and have a 5 day Christmas with mixing households! Just look at other countries plans for comparison.
We have record cases and one of the highest rates in Europe I believe. The Welsh Government post circuit break have been every bit as incompetent as the UK government when the message was we’ve taken action early to save Christmas when the data suggested it was never going to be enough. This new strain and the UK announcement has given them the cover to do what should have been done 2 weeks ago - they’ll be using it just as much as Boris.
Utter pricks, total nonsense.
Yeah, better she waits until Scotland becomes a shit show again with the new strain running around. Did you not see all the idiots from Glasgow flocking to Edinburgh during Glasgows tier 4? And low and behold Edinburghs numbers went up shortly afterwards. Once again, you wanna blame people for lock downs, you can point that finger squarely at the people not doing the basics to help avoid the spread of this thing. Wearing a mask, staying apart, staying home when feeling sick etc etc. Its a pain in the arse, but its a much much less pain in the arse than constant lock downs. We only have those of us who dont want to do the basics to blame anytime someone says lock down. Dumfries and Galloway had like 1 new infection and they will be going in to lock down as well because people in other areas cant be trusted to just stay in their own area during a lock down. Selfish people are dragging this out, and its high time they started being pointed at and shamed for it.
Dynamic.
The message/instruction was obviously wrong from the very start. You cannot ease lockdown from December 2nd and have a 5 day Christmas with mixing households! Just look at other countries plans for comparison.
Sounds like you are wasted on here perhaps you should be making those decisions instead, you obviously know a lot better.
No argument from me that there’s incompetence all round. I don’t think this new strain is a sideshow though. Sturgeon just said it’s the most serious moment of the whole pandemic.
Where have we heard that kind of reaction before? And look where we are now? But you keep on keeping on, chief. Not like people are dying over this or anything. As long as you get your after eight and prawn cocktail around grannys dinner table...for what might be the last time.
Yeah I saw that. Whitty rejected that when he was asked that question though and said with the vaccine and treatments we’re in a far better position with better days ahead. I’m not saying there isn’t a new strain and it may well be highly contagious but there’s no doubt regardless of whether there was one or not announcing the 5 day jolly that early was ridiculous and I think all leaders were looking for a way out of it but politically didn’t think they could.
God, let’s hope so.
what's your problem? What is nonsense or bollocks?
Dynamic.
The message/instruction was obviously wrong from the very start. You cannot ease lockdown from December 2nd and have a 5 day Christmas with mixing households! Just look at other countries plans for comparison.
Yes, let's. Let's not just look at the countries that suit your argument. We know about Germany, Italy, and a few others, who really are on a long and difficult arc that they could detect at an earlier stage, so let's balance it out with different countries.
- Switzerland are allowing people to meet multiple households to meet indoors on the 24th, 25th, 26th, and 31st December, and the cantons can decide themselves whether Ski resorts are open.
- Spain are allowing gatherings of 10 people on 4 days too, swapping out boxing day for New Year's day, and curfews are being pushed back on Christmas Day and New Year's day to the early hours.
- France have disregarded the curfew for Christmas eve, and are allowing household mixing in general - 6 adults and any number of children.
- Portugal have removed the 10 person gathering limit and will allow any numbers on Christmas eve and day, and push the curfew back to 2am.