Because it’s only a matter of time before that problem also becomes their problem? Completely different topic but why should the people of Northern Ireland have to deal with the Brexit shitshow? Life just isn’t fair sometimes.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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If the strain is so much more transmissible how has the South East avoided tier 3 until the start of December despite it being around for over 3 months? I’m not one for conspiracies but it does seem slightly disingenuous to blame this all on a mutation.
I know he's PM (somehow) but come on anyone can't still be taking Johnson at face value...guy's got over 30 years of public lies and incompetance as case study.
He's just bluffed his way through this all the way through. Hope the eventual inquiry hammers him out of office although he'll probably have quit long before.
He's just bluffed his way through this all the way through. Hope the eventual inquiry hammers him out of office although he'll probably have quit long before.
Peston's such a twat.
Slim.
Don’t let them gaslight you though. This strain has been around since August. They’re using it as cover for fcuking everything up. The ‘New’ strain has been in Science for months. It’s in the media now as the government finds it politically helpful.
His, yes, universities returning was a joke. The Winter was airways going to be bad.
It isn't the latest guidelines I am against, it is the mixed messaging and changing message from government. Complete turn after U turn, and this is not unforeseen change or unpredictable events, it is totally predictable.
This new variant must be a real concern.
In some ways, at least the data suggests it’s transmissibility that is a concern. There is a real risk that as the vaccine begins to suppress the virus, the mutation may circumvent the vaccine.
I guess the overarching positive is that a virus aims to reproduce which typically aligns with > transmission at the cost of < mortality. So I guess the hope is any future mutations also make it more mild.
In some ways, at least the data suggests it’s transmissibility that is a concern. There is a real risk that as the vaccine begins to suppress the virus, the mutation may circumvent the vaccine.
I guess the overarching positive is that a virus aims to reproduce which typically aligns with > transmission at the cost of < mortality. So I guess the hope is any future mutations also make it more mild.
I'm not one for Covid conspiracies but I'm sceptical of this one. It's been around for months and caused no problems, yet all of a sudden it's become a critical issue. I think they're just using it as an excuse for cocking up keeping London open for so long and promising everybody they could have Christmas off.
See three posts up.
Don’t buy in to their lies. It’s not some magical new strain. That’s their narrative cover.
Well that’s Xmas cancelled for me, went from Tier 2 to Tier 4, great timing.
Is anyone else getting tired of journalists trying to make all the questions that ask a stick to beat the decision makers with?
I didn't vote Tory but I get that these are really difficult decisions and the government aren't making them to be christmas killjoys.
I feel sorry for people not getting to share Christmas with their families but in our family we have one side who've contracted the virus in the last week so are out regardless. The rest of us have tests next Wednesday but if anyone has it they're out. Safety first!
I didn't vote Tory but I get that these are really difficult decisions and the government aren't making them to be christmas killjoys.
I feel sorry for people not getting to share Christmas with their families but in our family we have one side who've contracted the virus in the last week so are out regardless. The rest of us have tests next Wednesday but if anyone has it they're out. Safety first!
Sorry but this is ridiculous.
Not really, if anything I'm sick of the easy ride the Tories have gotten for overseeing one of the world's most shambolic responses to the pandemic.
Im as skeptical of a Tory government as the next man but seriously, this kind of thought is a bit silly.
Think.
Because they have one hospital which will get overloaded with very few hospitalisations.
I am thinking. Because I can’t see the same angle doesn’t mean I’m not thinking.
If this was some Bojo one liner I’d buy it as just bullshit. But to have every department and scientist bought in to sell a lie when there is really no mutation is wild.
It’s not. The new strain gives them an out. They frame all changes with it.
They’re gaslighting you.
I’m not suggesting there’s not a new strain. I’m not even suggesting it’s not easier transmitted.
What I am saying is that anyone with half a brain can see its being used as cover for incompetence. It’s not even up for debate. We were the only country running full speed into a complete removal of any preventative measures, for 5 days, actively advising people to gather in homes in groups.... As we are experiencing record hospitalisations and death.
Where was this documented about it being around for months? Curious to see where this was reported back then.
But hang on. When have I ever said in any of my posts that I hold no blame for the PM and the Tories? Regardless of new strain, of course the level of incompetence is and should be clear for all.
Ah man this Christmas is cancelled for me 
But at times like these, I just look back at fortune that my family are safe and hope it continues. Same towards everyone here and society in general.
It sucks Christmas and the festive period will be bleak but if you're healthy then you're more fortunate than many. Look at it that way.
But at times like these, I just look back at fortune that my family are safe and hope it continues. Same towards everyone here and society in general.
It sucks Christmas and the festive period will be bleak but if you're healthy then you're more fortunate than many. Look at it that way.
I completely agree, the new strain has given them a get out for their lack of balls in putting us into a Christmas lockdown in the first place.
That’s one thing, but I’ve been astonished at anyone actually thinking we can all relax over Christmas anyway, regardless of what the government have been saying. Morons. Anyone planning for anything other than a very small Christmas were dumb in the first place.
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The data would suggest that there is some uncharacteristic rapid growth of the virus. More than what we've seen of restrictions being relaxed.
https://assets.publishing.service.g..._Conference_Slides_-_Saturday_19_December.pdf - slides 3 & 4 show some very steep growths, more than what you would see from a change in lockdown to tiering.
Saying on the news now. Detected in November and the growth indicates it was around in August.
Ah man this Christmas is cancelled for me
But at times like these, I just look back at fortune that my family are safe and hope it continues. Same towards everyone here and society in general.
It sucks Christmas and the festive period will be bleak but if you're healthy then you're more fortunate than many. Look at it that way.
Exactly. Everyone so upset about their ‘ruined Christmas’ simply because they can’t have big family gatherings should spare a thought for those who couldn’t anyway through losing loved ones.
It'll be even more disappointing when they win the next election at a canter too.
[Peter Kay voice] Here, who remembers Eat Out To Help Out? What were that about?
This year has been the perfect storm of government incompetence and selfishness from a good part of the population resulting in the perfect shit storm
stick this vaccine in my arm ASAP
stick this vaccine in my arm ASAP
Precisely.
But this is a huge part of the problem here in the UK. I don't know if 11101 is correct, but given the record over the last year, many of us are wondering exactly the same thing. All confidence has been lost by the constant lies and propaganda spewing from the cabinet.
What will he/you do now given Boris latest announcement?
It's a new strain. It goes to a different school, you won't know it.
Its the hope that kills you. Inevitable rush to get turkey etc today / Tomorrow.
Surely they can't, I fecking hope not anyway. I'm desperate for them to get booted and to hopefully never return.
People can't use the paying higher taxes as a reason not to vote elsewhere because we will certainly be paying higher taxes regardless to pay back the debt despite the party in power.
Got my results yesterday, tested positive. Flu like symptoms started on Wednesday, incl. a ridiculous cough. Went to the mobile testing center on Thursday, got the message on Friday. Now in quarantine for the next ten days.
So hang on, what's the difference between having a bubble on Christmas Day but not Boxing Day? Do things magically change over night?
Feel so sorry for my daughter - she was really looking forward to seeing her cousins for a few days - she misses them so much.
That seems pretty consistent and believable to me. It is highly unlikely that the prevalence goes from 28% to 62% (or whatever the numbers were in the slide) in a month by chance only.