I can see how that is precisely the same at being happy for millions of people to go into stricter restrictions.
And don't put the actions of the government upon those who live and work here.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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And don't put the actions of the government upon those who live and work here.
Insulting another member
No, you have never wished it but you are happy the rates are going up 'down south'.
Twat
Crazy idea but I think covid rates rising anywhere in Britain is a bad thing.
No, I mean I don't care about you personally.
You're right, I must care if I take a bit of joy from London going into tier 3. I promise you I am not alone.
Since March we have been told that rates and cases are not bad in London, despite the rest of the UK seeing pictures of cramped tubes, trains, buses etc. How can it be that the most densely populated city in the UK had one of the best R rates all the way through?
Maybe, just maybe, Londons true figures have been hid all this time and due to the financial implications of a lockdown in London, the rest of the UK has been made to suffer tier 3 lockdowns to bring the national average down.
Look, if you have your own business down there, I hope you survive, i really do. My slight smirk regarding the 'London, tier 3' situation is born from a political position and not against you or any other Londoner personally.
Its just good to see some fair treatment. Thats all.
fecking hippie
No, I am happy you are in Tier 3 pal. bit of a difference!
I have a question I suspect what the answer will be but it might be worth asking.
Is the order of groups totally strict?
i.e. Say a lady of 82 gets a phone call to get the vaccination and her husband is 78 do they do them in different waves if the set it at 80+ first or would they get the husband done the same time?
Is the order of groups totally strict?
i.e. Say a lady of 82 gets a phone call to get the vaccination and her husband is 78 do they do them in different waves if the set it at 80+ first or would they get the husband done the same time?
Will see if they have the right brand, Canagan
Great question! Although I suspect it will be strict. Better for that couple to have one of them vaccinated than neither of them and not fair for him to get the jab ahead of an 80+ year old.
Speaking of bending the rules there’s an interesting idea in Ireland whereby carehome residents can nominate a “buddy” to get vaccinated at the same time, so they can get a regular visitor in to see them.
I doubt he's celebrating the deaths or the rise in case numbers. I think he, and a lot more Mancs, were left wondering just what the criteria was that meant London didn't have a Tier3 worthy problem two weeks ago. Manchester was basically operating under 2/3 rules from late July and got very little financial help - when Andy Burnham etc complained that punishing a region for being poor, having overcrowded housing etc, wouldn't fix anything, and the lack of support was making it poorer.
From a Manc perspective nothing changed until London got caught up in the restrictions and suddenly Burnham's unreasonable demands were easily met for London and the south, but were not backdated to deal with the same problems in areas who'd been coping for longer.
The question of criteria made it worse - when Manchester went into local measures it had less cases/100k than most Tier1 areas do now. When the post-national lockdown tiers were announced Manchester's rates were falling fast and London's were rising and they weren't that far apart even in raw numbers.
On an emotional level there's a big slice of schadenfreude underway. On a practical level though - there's a real sense that actually the government does bugger all to help people or businesses until it effects the capital, at which point they notice that there might be a need to do something. In other words, there is something in it for other areas in trouble. London going into Tier 3 will do a lot more for the other local support packages than Newcastle did.
They dont do our brand
Worded better than I ever could myself. Thank you!
Whatever happened to the herd immunity strategy by the way? Genuinely curious. I've been home all year anyway so I've missed the news a bit.
It's typical that you'd defend Boris and your Tory mates.
Back in October, Manchester asked for 80% of funding towards furlough in our local lockdown. We got offered 60% because the government apparently couldn't afford it:
Then a few days later, it was announced there'd be a national lockdown which included London. All of a sudden, 80% funding was available again:
Boris tried to prioritise London over the north and he got exposed over it.
And when it came to deciding on the covid tiers, we were used a political football once again as a way to get back at Mayor Burnham for causing a fuss in the national papers, despite having better figures than much of the south:
The Tory plan was to protect the London economy over its busy Christmas period, and to teach those uppity northerners a lesson. Well, feck them for trying to play those games.
There's no joy in seeing Londoners enter tier 3. But there is schadenfreude for the PM treating us like a national afterthought and seeing his masterplan fail.
Great post Dante. With Stats and Facts to show where any ill feeling that i have stems from
Ay up our kid! Those metropolitan elite down south get away with everything, that bloody covid with teach them a lesson. Hahah no offensive hahaha
"I say what I like and I bloody well like what I say"
The key point tbh.
The importance of London over everywhere else in Britain is down to decades long political policies. It has nothing to do with the average londoner.
Yes, London controls the means of wealth production. But just because you identify yourself amongst the bourgeois elite, that doesn't mean that your lot should be allowed trample over the rights of the poorer north.
The key point tbh.
The importance of London over everywhere else in Britain is down to decades long political policies. It has nothing to do with the average londoner.
Decades of policy are not an excuse to maintain inequality and entrench the north/south class struggle. It's no surprise that you'd defend the mechanisms of old capitalism.
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I do shop at M&S sometimes tbf.
The north remembers.
Just seen some stats which suggests, relatively, we are testing more than other countries. It’s such a shame that capability hasn’t been supported by competent strategy and infrastructure.
Also wonder how significant this new strain stuff will be.
My in-laws are like that, the eldest was called first. He’s in his 80s, she’s in her 70s
Same concern here
That's what I suspected cheers.
I'm not sure it is actually a new strain and not just a variant of which there a few.
Not saying this variant isn't more infectious (but no more dangerous) but the cynic in me does think that it is a convenient narrative for the government to say a new "strain" is responsible for stage 3 lockdown in London.
I think Manchester will stay Tier 3
They need to close the bloody schools. It’s running absolutely rampant through nearly every school.
Its also really strange how it seems this is something that’s been known for a few weeks yet is only making its way public now. Which doesn’t make sense.
It's mostly spin to help sell an unpopular decision. If that's what it takes let's go along with it, if it's the correct decision that's what matters.
Boris: I'm not an incompetent buffoon. The virus did it. Honest. You can trust me.
damn ruskies whatever will theyt hink of next
That means they won't.
Schools going for the herd immunity approach.
Genius.
Quick question to the doctors/medical scientists in here: can we be absolutely sure that these vaccines are significantly safer than the swine flu vaccines from 2009? I know a guy who took the swine flu vaccine back then who got narcolepsy. Needless to say he's a little shook and considering not taking this vaccine.
@Stanley Road - If they don't, I've found this Dutch site that sells it.
https://www.huisdierenbazaar.nl/hond/hondenvoer/adult/filter/canagan.html
Winter is coming for house Johnson.
Short answer: no.
That particular manufacturer's vaccine saw a doubling in the narcolepsy rate, amongst those who took it, it went up to 1:50000 as opposed to 1:100000 who would get diagnosed with it in a normal year. In a clinical trial - statistically speaking at that level, you might not see any cases of it at all, and you won't have enough cases to see a pattern.
Longer answer: in countries where swine flu spread rapidly, the rate of narcolepsy cases also went up and at a similar rate.
It's important to note that the reason why that story is discussed is that it is because it's a rarity. There have been hundreds of new vaccine formulations since then, and billions of vaccinations. Serious vaccine side-effects are rare, that's why the same incidents are talked about a lot.
It's like a lot of things in life unfortunately - there's a risk analysis to be done. We know the lack of a vaccine has already killed about 1:1000 of the population in the UK, and that's despite us living with some pretty miserable restrictions. I don't believe any approved vaccine will kill or cause longterm harm to 1:1000 of the people taking it, I don't even believe it will do it to 1:10000.
Beyond that (as we start to talk about 1:100000 or 1 in a million) we won't know for sure until more people take it. We do know what will happen if people keep getting covid though - a lot of deaths, a massive overload on the health service, and a large number of people with long-lasting illness.