SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

SalfordRed18 said:
My test and trace has updated and told me to isolate for 9 days. I've told my boss and they either think I'm lying or I've been coming to work for the past 5 days knowingly.

Any idea why it's told me to isolate for 9 days and not 14?
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Have you had a positive test? If so the app would normally be saying 10 days from the test.

If it's following a positive test on someone else then it's a bit different - but again it's based on their test date etc, but it's 14 days from their test or your last contact with them.
 
SalfordRed18 said:
My test and trace has updated and told me to isolate for 9 days. I've told my boss and they either think I'm lying or I've been coming to work for the past 5 days knowingly.

Any idea why it's told me to isolate for 9 days and not 14?
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They’ve probably pushed an update, increased the threshold and its triggered an alert which should have happened 5 days ago. Alternatively, someone might have been a bit slow in uploading their positive test and it starts from the day of their positive result rather than the day it was uploaded.
 
arnie_ni said:
Just send him a pic of it?
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Did that.
jojojo said:
Have you had a positive test? If so the app would normally be saying 10 days from the test.

If it's following a positive test on someone else then it's a bit different - but again it's based on their test date etc, but it's 14 days from their test or your last contact with them.
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I've asked around and it's 14 days from my exposure with them.
Pexbo said:
They’ve probably pushed an update, increased the threshold and its triggered an alert which should have happened 5 days ago. Alternatively, someone might have been a bit slow in uploading their positive test and it starts from the day of their positive result rather than the day it was uploaded.
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I think it's the 2nd part.
 
SalfordRed18 said:
I've asked around and it's 14 days from my exposure with them.
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Yep. That would make sense

Two of the teenagers in my family got a notification saying a classmate has the virus and that they were to quarantine for 14 days. Next call changed it to 8, because while the test result had been given to the school on the day it arrived the test had been done 5 days earlier. It then reduced again because the kid in question has been off school for two days before they got a test. Which made their (immuno compromised) mum's effort to isolate them in their rooms a bit pointless as the kids had been exposed a week or more earlier.
 
SalfordRed18 said:
Did that.
I've asked around and it's 14 days from my exposure with them.

I think it's the 2nd part.
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It's 14 days from the point your phone was in contact with theirs - so you saw this person 5 days ago. It doesn't matter as much when they tested positive as there is a window before a positive test where they could be infectious - each country has it's own idea on how long that window is. I think it's 48 hours from symptoms starting for the UK.

https://faq.covid19.nhs.uk/article/KA-01144/en-us

I assume this link will keep your boss/HR happy - https://111.nhs.uk/isolation-note/
 
Utdstar01 said:
I live on my own mate.
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Yeah that's a tough one. I don't envy those living on their own in these times, I've been lucky to have my partner throughout it. I've struggled with loneliness before when I was in South Korea and it can be really difficult to deal with mentally.
When I was struggling the most a friend of mine who had been in a similar situation pointed me towards meditation. I know it might sound a bit silly and everything (I'm not someone who meditates) but it helped me for a while there. A place to start could be the Headspace app.

Other things to do if you're just stuck at home: Get a daily workout routine (it doesn't need to be hours on end, half an hour or so is fine, there's apps that can help you here as well), pick up a hobby you've been thinking of getting into (cooking or baking are good ones seeing as you'll still need to eat and it feels meaningful), binge TV without a shred of guilt, read all the books you never got around to, gaming if that's your thing. Finally something that's a bit different but I think might be helpful for some: Listen to the Blindboy Podcast. I'm a weekly listener, so I know what to expect, but some of his stuff on mental health has shed a light on some rather unhelpful thought patterns I've had in the past (I picked it up after my lonely time in South Korea). The official United podcast has some good episodes as well.
 
Covid-19 deaths could be twice as high over the winter as they were in the first wave of the pandemic, PM Boris Johnson is expected to warn MPs later.

So what did they learn in the first wave?
 
11101 said:
It's 14 days from the point your phone was in contact with theirs - so you saw this person 5 days ago. It doesn't matter as much when they tested positive as there is a window before a positive test where they could be infectious - each country has it's own idea on how long that window is. I think it's 48 hours from symptoms starting for the UK.

https://faq.covid19.nhs.uk/article/KA-01144/en-us

I assume this link will keep your boss/HR happy - https://111.nhs.uk/isolation-note/
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Thanks!
 
Drifter said:
Covid-19 deaths could be twice as high over the winter as they were in the first wave of the pandemic, PM Boris Johnson is expected to warn MPs later.

So what did they learn in the first wave?
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That if you get people to clap it'll distract from giving contracts to your mates?

That's if we don't take action presumably? I still think it'll be lower as long as the country aren't a shower of cnuts and ignore the restrictions.
 
Welsh FM has confirmed that we will come out of our “fire break” lockdown as planned a week today. Non essential shops, pubs and restaurants back open. Indoor activities allowed with up to 15 people (small “parties“, Xmas get togethers etc) and 30 outdoors - not much use at this time of year. Glad we acted earlier now.
 
SalfordRed18 said:
My test and trace has updated and told me to isolate for 9 days. I've told my boss and they either think I'm lying or I've been coming to work for the past 5 days knowingly.

Any idea why it's told me to isolate for 9 days and not 14?
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They tell you to isolate from the date of the contact, once they’ve established contact by speaking with the person with a positive test. Or if it’s a person you have regular contact with, the date that they said their symptoms started. So if they got a positive test result today, but their symptoms started 5 days ago, you would have 9 days left to isolate
 
Sparky Rhiwabon said:
Welsh FM has confirmed that we will come out of our “fire break” lockdown as planned a week today. Non essential shops, pubs and restaurants back open. Indoor activities allowed with up to 15 people (small “parties“, Xmas get togethers etc) and 30 outdoors - not much use at this time of year. Glad we acted earlier now.
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Goes some way to exposing the fallacy of lockdown = destroy the economy, no lockdown = save the economy, don't you think? If the inevitable spread of the virus means we'll have to put in severe measures to prevent hospital overload, putting in severe measures when things aren't so bad isn't needlessly destroying the economy but protecting it from the worst. Likewise for mental health issues and most of the secondary effects.
 
Sparky Rhiwabon said:
Welsh FM has confirmed that we will come out of our “fire break” lockdown as planned a week today. Non essential shops, pubs and restaurants back open. Indoor activities allowed with up to 15 people (small “parties“, Xmas get togethers etc) and 30 outdoors - not much use at this time of year. Glad we acted earlier now.
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I believe we’re out of local lockdown now too, is that right?
 
SalfordRed18 said:
My test and trace has updated and told me to isolate for 9 days. I've told my boss and they either think I'm lying or I've been coming to work for the past 5 days knowingly.

Any idea why it's told me to isolate for 9 days and not 14?
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Mine did the same, albeit 10 days. I believe it goes on the date you last potentially had exposure. Obviously in that time, they've had a test, got a result, contacted the tracers, who then contact you...
 
When I'm listening the radio and hearing people argue xyz should remain open due to mental health, I can't help but think a lot of people want us to believe we are less resilient than we are, for their own purposes (to stay open)

Is the mental health argument being used to try and save businesses that are on poor financial footing?
 
Tibs said:
When I'm listening the radio and hearing people argue xyz should remain open due to mental health, I can't help but think a lot of people want us to believe we are less resilient than we are, for their own purposes (to stay open)

Is the mental health argument being used to try and save businesses that are on poor financial footing?
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What businesses were they referring to in terms of keeping them open?
 
Tibs said:
When I'm listening the radio and hearing people argue xyz should remain open due to mental health, I can't help but think a lot of people want us to believe we are less resilient than we are, for their own purposes (to stay open)

Is the mental health argument being used to try and save businesses that are on poor financial footing?
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I think a lot of people, particularly those who live alone, really are struggling that much in a lot of cases. I'm not sure the answer is not to lockdown, in fact I'm sure it's not, but I can fully understand the worry.
 
Volumiza said:
Take care, how long have you been unwell?
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I was fatigued as hell for 2 days, minor cough but spaced out felt like I had brain fog. No smell/taste issues. Then felt right as rain yesterday afternoon. Then bad night last night. Temp spiked, was confused and coughing more till I got cooled down. Feel a bit chesty today, headache and tired but nothing major.
 
F-Red said:
What businesses were they referring to in terms of keeping them open?
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I've listened to a few tbh, one was for hospitality, another for pubs to be allowed to sell take away pints (this was asked to Boris today at Parliament too), and gyms too.

I can see the arguments for them on both sides from a business point of view, but it keeps going back to mental health angle.

Covid really is showing how society is like a house of cards
 
Tibs said:
I've listened to a few tbh, one was for hospitality, another for pubs to be allowed to sell take away pints (this was asked to Boris today at Parliament too), and gyms too.

I can see the arguments for them on both sides from a business point of view, but it keeps going back to mental health angle.

Covid really is showing how society is like a house of cards
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Yeah I've seen those discussion for those venues. My take is that take away pints, just promotes drinking in the street and thus increasing contact. Struggle to see that changing. Home delivery could be an option, and that is a viable method maybe, my local bar delivers to home and works really well (cocktails, beer, casks). Some of these businesses need to become a little more dynamic to keep their business resilient.

Gym's is an interesting one, I've not seen any scientific study on the impact of people in there and transmission rates. The cynic in me thinks that these businesses wouldn't have led with a mental health argument, but it's the strongest argument they can use to remain open. If it was really about mental health, then they wouldn't mind giving their services for free.
 
How are hospitals in the UK coping ? Any doctors or nurses as some reports say we are in trouble where as others say it is exaggerated . Is Belgium really as bad as being reported?
 
Re the mental health thing, I'm not sure it should be understated how difficult it can be for people. I spent the first lockdown at home with family, working from there, and I found it fine - quite good actually. Of course by the end, I was looking forward to things opening up again, but I found the duration of it quite enjoyable. But for this coming lockdown, I'm due to be spending a good chunk of it alone, with no social events lined up. That, combined with one or two other worries I have, make it quite a bit tougher to face. And that's with me not being worried about a job or health of older relatives, so I can imagine it being even worse for others.

Having said that, I'm not a fan of how many people seem to be quite cynically using mental health concerns for their own particular interest. As if they care, they just want their life to be affected as little as possible (a desire which I can understand, but it's not helping).
 
Massively significant statement made today by Starmer.
40 days ago when following SAGE advice Starmer asked for a two to three week lockdown, deaths were 11 and new cases 2000.
And Boris dithering is why we are at the current position where the pandemic is out of control.
And he is still maintaining that local measures were the right thing to do.
 
BD said:
Re the mental health thing, I'm not sure it should be understated how difficult it can be for people. I spent the first lockdown at home with family, working from there, and I found it fine - quite good actually. Of course by the end, I was looking forward to things opening up again, but I found the duration of it quite enjoyable. But for this coming lockdown, I'm due to be spending a good chunk of it alone, with no social events lined up. That, combined with one or two other worries I have, make it quite a bit tougher to face. And that's with me not being worried about a job or health of older relatives, so I can imagine it being even worse for others.

Having said that, I'm not a fan of how many people seem to be quite cynically using mental health concerns for their own particular interest. As if they care, they just want their life to be affected as little as possible (a desire which I can understand, but it's not helping).
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There’s also this conflict between the argument that not being able to have a normal social life is an unbearable burden for the young while simultaneously advocating that all elderly/vulnerable people should be forced to shield themselves indefinitely (an even tougher burden to bear)
 
Pogue Mahone said:
There’s also this conflict between the argument that not being able to have a normal social life is an unbearable burden for the young while simultaneously advocating that all elderly/vulnerable people should be forced to shield themselves indefinitely (an even tougher burden to bear)
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Yeah I agree. I've found the attitude towards the elderly a bit depressing at times, starting with "oh they were old and had underlying issues, so let's dismiss that death" to people saying that we should have fewer restrictions on young people and just tell the elderly to stay inside. All a bit grim at times.
 
At least lockdowns are at least technically feasible in the modern era. Imagine trying this before we had remote working, home deliveries and free porn.
 
F-Red said:
What businesses were they referring to in terms of keeping them open?
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I've seen people say it in regards to gyms. I went back to the gym in September and they have been strict limiting the number of people that can attend (the gym or classes), requiring a booking before going, having to sign in, cleaning the gym thoroughly and disinfectant and hand sanitiser in the gym. I've not seen the statistics, but I've seen some mention that the number of cases that have been tracked/traced via gyms is minimal.
 
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