I’ve highlighted the flaw in your logic there mate.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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I’ve highlighted the flaw in your logic there mate.
Because England is a really mental place.
Here we go...
Heeeeeeere’s BoJo
Bad hair day apparently.
They can’t even get their slides to fit the screen.
That's what I can't understand. Thankfully I was doing a click n collect so didn't have to join the panic. I hope it will die down over the next few days as people realise the supermarkets aren't going anywhere.
Yes, Belgium have had an increase in cases. Your hypothesis is that that sudden rise in cases is best explained by schools re-opening. Nothing else changed, so how could it just spike like that? Apply that argument to the southern states in the US, which had a sudden rise when kids were all off. Apply that argument to South Africa, which had a very similar spike at the same time, and 2 months after re-opening schools, has kept things pretty steady. In other words, is it possible to have a sudden spike without any change to school procedures? Absolutely. Alternatively, is it possible to keep case levels steady even after re-opening schools? Sweden, Japan, South Africa two months on...many other countries. Yeah, it is. It is not an irrelevant factor, it plays a role, but your suggestion is it is a dominant factor, the best explanation of this change. It just doesn't fit when you apply it outside this context you first applied it to, the causal explanation falls apart.
You don't need a change in a single factor to explain the sudden spike in cases. It happens independently of schools. There's a reason why the evidence you cited said "remains unclear how infectious children may be" and "unclear how much schools may contribute to community transmission ". They don't have an agenda, they closed schools anyway out of an abundance of caution and convenient timing. It's just the pattern you believe is so obvious is apparently undetectable to them, the people with all of the data.
Work for an Academy trust as a IT Techie, I do 4 schools of various sizes, my colleague who is in the vulnerable group does 5.
Thinking back to after we came back from lockdown, we both had reduced schools, 2 days at 2 each, work from home day, later start/early finish times.
For teachers, obviously they only had 10 kids. The ones in vulnerable groups did planning for the ones teaching some from home, some used offices but didn't teach. all finished at 3:30 rather than average of 6. Think a lot of the teachers loved it. Smaller classes, less stress.
Curious to see if they make changes to how things are, already shortstaffed and the bubbles aren't feasible when some staff are having to cover multiple classes.
Doubt they'll let the vulnerable to refrain from teaching as it just wouldn't be possible staff wise.
Watched the Rugby. Beat Cummings record.
Went to Tesco and then Aldi (across the street from each other). Both were very busy thanks to people picking up supplies on the way to Halloween nights out. There was a fair number of people in costumes and the like.
I didn't see any of the panic buying we had the first time around.
Slide presentation is shite on bbc - can’t see half the data.
Is the sound fecked up or is our tv broke?
Because Americans just carried on like normal for the most part perhaps? Are you just going to ignore the abosulte clusterfeck you made of your Belgian example? Sweden’s latest figures were 25 times the number of cases they had on September 1st. We have different definitions of steady. Writing a litany of paragraphs may fool some in to taking your opinion as gospel. Not for me.
The people with all the data told us that face masks made no difference. If you want to believe everything those with the data tell you that’s up to you.
Can’t stand any of them. They’re all cnuts. Every single one of them to a man is a fecking prick and corrupt as feck.
Edit: feck - just noticed the press conference has started as well. Will switch from the Liverpool game now.
Edit: feck - just noticed the press conference has started as well. Will switch from the Liverpool game now.
Some of the slides are a joke. There was a formula error on one.
Nobody really gives a feck about slides. These people are inept.
Talk through one or two slides. Release the stat pack to the media.
These look like 15 year olds GCSE mock papers.
I do not know why the option is always either a school closure or schools to remain open and nothing in between. It's so bizarre, I think a rota system would be perfect to ease stress of the shortage of staff, like you mentioned.
Also it'd be great to minimise the contact kids would normally have if they were in a school that would have more students around them, essentially minimising passing on anything to their households. Plus it's safer for the teachers. Total shambles really at the lack of ideas and implementing safer structures when it comes to schools.
Thought it was my tv
BoJo totally nodded off there
He was watching the rugby.
Every now and again i remember just how long this has been going on and it's mental.
Boris stop kissing your own arse.
feck off bragging about increasing NHS capacity you whopping great cnut
Lockdown from Thursday
We've been able to come in the office to work but we've purposely all been working from home because my team handle all the remote learning tech and hardware (except the five robots in infrastructure who deal with our data center) so if WFH doesn't work for us then why would it work for anyone else?
The curriculum bosses kept saying that we should start filtering back in to "support" the IT techs with all the classroom kit. Presumably by getting in their way all the time or something. Glad we didn't because even if the buildings stay open we've had tons of tickets come in this morning from lecturers who are all asking for Office 365/eLearning training and Chromebook/dongle deliveries for their students as their departments are going back to 100% remote learning.
I wonder if the House of Commons pub is going to be shut too.
It is not good. Winter was always going to be the real test. Always the worse time for respiratory illness so more measures should have been in place to minimise the impact.
Furlough will be extended to December
The prices will be reduced further.
Man, all you want to do is pick holes, rather than dealing with the essential point. As I understood it, your premise was that two weeks after schools re-open, just like clockwork, cases start to rise. They didn't in Belgium, they were completely steady 2 weeks later, they rose 4 weeks later. Perhaps I misunderstood and you weren't saying that a leads to b and they follow this time-sensitive pattern that unequivocally indicates that a caused b. It's the timing that really made it clear. As far as I understood, other people echoed that very same sentiment in this thread just today. If that was a misinterpretation, I'm happy to say so. I'm not here to pick holes, nor am I wedded to a position on the subject. I'm just looking at what the evidence says. The evidence that you say speaks for itself.
Cases have risen in almost every major country in the last few months, Belgium included. Your premise is that schools are a key driver of that. The only way to test that theory is whether places have had exactly the same kind of spike without schools re-opening, and whether, weeks and weeks after schools re-opening, no such spike appeared in other places. I've just given some examples, they aren't exhaustive. If you're not willing to accept that those two things have already been demonstrated in other countries, fair enough, then we're not really having a discussion. You're just using me as a prop to repeat some propaganda. I'm happy enough knowing the evidence that you wanted was put out there plainly to see. People can make their own judgments.
Rapid tests sound promising. Unfortunately these feckers have been totally useless to date with testing & I have zero confidence this will be any different.
"It will feel different and better by the Spring...
A lockdown feels so much more depressing second time round.
Probably a mate of his who runs a vacuum cleaner business told him he could sort it.
Not even a fecking apology for not starting lockdown in September.
Treating testing like it's a golden bullet, when you're often infectious before you test positive.
Keeping universities and secondary schools open, as well as manufacturing. Because those lives don't matter as much.
Absolutely incompetent pillocks.
Treating testing like it's a golden bullet, when you're often infectious before you test positive.
Keeping universities and secondary schools open, as well as manufacturing. Because those lives don't matter as much.
Absolutely incompetent pillocks.
