What happens if they lose the vote?
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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Your evidence was wrong though. Blatantly so. Two weeks is just a number because of the incubation period. If you want to stick to just 14 days though then Belgium had 5 times as many cases within that time period. The mistake I made was in not realising that a five fold increase is keeping cases steady.
The only true way to test is to close schools and see. Given we’ve tried everything else with no joy.
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Means us having to quarantine for two weeks when we get back is neither here nor there.
Most important thing was getting in the visit to my mother last week ahead of the restrictions though.
Close the schools ffs. Ridiculous. It’s obvious that transmission will continue there.
One thing that strikes me about this is does the mean that wearing masks had little affect? The vast majority have been wearing them here, but did they do any good?
I'd be surprised if the xmas holidays don't end up being made longer.
Unless you think they were an absolute solution that's a daft question. They could have slowed it substantially we don't really know.
Did they delay that conference so that it went off bbc1 before the questions could start coming in? 
Absolute cowards
Absolute cowardsI never thought they were an absolute solution. I expected something more substantial then this, though. The virus appears to be increasing at a faster rate then before mask were mandatory.
I wondered that the other day, so googled a bit. From what I read most transmission is amongst people comfortable with each other (homes, work, schools etc), and less so in say the supermarket. That said, at least in my area of manchester not everybody is wearing a mask properly at all. Maybe 60-70% are.
The whole place will be shut down and half of them will feck off to the Maldives for Christmas.
It’s schools. They just don’t want to admit it. Most of the kids will show no symptoms but they’ll be taking it home and the older members of the family will display symptoms and by that point it will be hard to calculate where it came from.
Should’ve left the Sun on mute.
It's much slower than the first wave but i wouldn't say that was due to masks. Masks are a small measure at the end of the day, social distancing is many times more important and we stopped doing it so it's not a surprise we're back to lockdown again.
I guess this will be proved, one way or another, after this lockdown.
The virus has been rising steadily since August in Scotland and September in England since schools went back. That isn’t a coincidence. Colleges and Universities being open is also a shambles. They can easily adapt to an online model for the most part.
But why not comment on all of the data, rather than one piece here and there? How does your theory fit what has happened in South Africa, where they re-opened schools in August but have kept the 7 day average at around 1500, a little lower than when the schools opened? If they start to spike in a month's time, will you say that it was just a delayed effect? How does it fit what has happened in Japan, where they re-opened schools when they were at their absolute peak, and months afterwards they've been hovering at 500-700 cases consistently in September and October? If opening schools played the role you say they do, such an obvious one too, how is it that it doesn't apply in these completely different countries with completely different approaches and completely different trajectories? How is it that countries had these inexplicable spikes while schools were off for the summer?
These aren't me picking holes in the theory. The causal mechanism can only be true if it applied in all of these scenarios, and it just doesn't. Isn't it more plausible that schools are just one of the factors that caused a spike in NI, and most of Western Europe, because of a general relaxation in adherence that coincided with schools re-opening? i.e. the thing that drove the spikes in the US - just carrying on like normal, as you put it - is what gradually crept into play in most of the West. You can't point to it as a single event written on a piece of paper, so it's a less satisfying explanation. It's also a bit of a loose definition, and so it can't explain everything. But at least it doesn't have those critical flaws.
Ireland is proving its possible to turn things round without closing schools. 416 cases today. A third of the peak of our second wave. A downturn that started when the kids were still at school and still far too soon for half term to have had any effect on case numbers (6 days into school holidays and average incubation period 5-6 days)
I don’t think the UK really have “tried everything else”. The measures we took in Ireland which turned things round would be a start. An end to indoor dining/drinking in pubs/restaurants and no more multi household gatherings. Anywhere in the country. The UK govt are belatedly (as usual) doing what needs to be done, so things should improve in another 10-14 days time.
The idea that these governments are just unwilling to admit that schools are a problem is silly. They don't control the narrative in the science community, nor are they manufacturing the research that tells us schools aren't a major problem.
They were terrible. Far too much information. When I used to make presentations, the vu graphs had to be clear and concise such that I didn't have to explain the data.
What ever happened with the Russian vaccine?
Schools haven't been a problem in Denmark either as far as I can see.
Classic Boris. He was asked whether the Premier League football would carry on. His answer. Yes to the premier League. It will carry on. I can say that with some authority I think...
Priceless.
Priceless.
To all those asking about supermarket queues, I was in Aldi earlier and it was fine. Busy but no different to what you would expect of a normal Saturday, plenty of stuff on the shelves.
He is sounding more like Trump. And about as convincing.
I went to Tesco and there were queues of around 40 people outside the door (went very quickly mind). Probably just panic more than anything, hopefully common sense prevails.
That presupposes that face coverings are worn by all of those who are supposed to.
Personally, I’m relieved schools are staying open and think it’s the right decision. So many youngsters are suffering really bad long terms consequences from the first shutdown. I know a few of them.
Or Barnards Castle...
Surely between business mobility and schools, you’d choose businesses. Livelihoods get affected by businesses being closed. Schools can work remotely.
Is there any chance it doesn't get through parliament?
Cases rising after only 2 weeks would mean that a significant number of pupils arrived at school with the virus. The 4 week timeline sounds more plausible in that a smaller number arrived with the virus on day 1,2,3....etc and it then began to spread exponentially both inside and outside the school setting.
I have no doubt that schools/education is the main driver behind cases rising.
Schools yes. But universities could move to online. Universities are a real clusterfeck that need resolving.
At this point I hope it absolutely rips through parliament.
You have to wonder if the supposed plan to meet MPs was on Monday, vote on Tuesday and lockdown shortly after means that they now haven't had enough time to clear it with everyone. Going to take a mighty big whip to keep folk in line.
People with kids can't really go to work if they have to look after said kids though.
Agreed. Teenage years are tough as it is. Imagine growing up through that period with this shit going on. Might not be too bad if you’ve a stable home environment but if you haven’t? Really tough
As the PM, he had to delay his news conference longer than Cummings.